Is SMuFL's "cClefCombining" LilyPond's varC clef?
Sorry for cross-posting, but I think it's possible to get answers from both sides: When discussing LilyPond clefs that can't be represented in MusicXML the question arose whether LilyPond's "varC" clef shape is equivalent to what is called cClefCombining in SMuFL: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/clef-styles http://edirom.de/smufl-browser/index.html?glyphname=cClefCombining As I have to admit I don't know where these clefs are used for I can't tell. Can anybody enlighten me? TIA Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Is SMuFL's "cClefCombining" LilyPond's varC clef?
Am 01.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb Urs Liska: Sorry for cross-posting, but I think it's possible to get answers from both sides: When discussing LilyPond clefs that can't be represented in MusicXML the question arose whether LilyPond's "varC" clef shape is equivalent to what is called cClefCombining in SMuFL: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/clef-styles The varC clef shape in Lilypond differs from the normal C clef only through its appearance. Their meanings are identical. http://edirom.de/smufl-browser/index.html?glyphname=cClefCombining I don’t exactly get what ‘combining’ means here. Visually this is something like the varC clef in Lilypond without the two ‘bars’ at the left; perhaps these are to be added separately? Yours, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Is SMuFL's "cClefCombining" LilyPond's varC clef?
I suspect the "combining" refers to the adding of the elements of the older/French style C clef to the G clef to represent tenor clef. -David - Simon Albrecht wrote: > Am 01.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb Urs Liska: > > Sorry for cross-posting, but I think it's possible to get answers from > > both sides: > > > > When discussing LilyPond clefs that can't be represented in MusicXML > > the question arose whether > > LilyPond's "varC" clef shape is equivalent to what is called > > cClefCombining in SMuFL: > > > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/clef-styles > The varC clef shape in Lilypond differs from the normal C clef only > through its appearance. Their meanings are identical. > > http://edirom.de/smufl-browser/index.html?glyphname=cClefCombining > I don’t exactly get what ‘combining’ means here. Visually this is > something like the varC clef in Lilypond without the two ‘bars’ at the > left; perhaps these are to be added separately? > > Yours, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Is SMuFL's "cClefCombining" LilyPond's varC clef?
Am 01.06.2015 um 10:31 schrieb bobr...@centrum.is: I suspect the "combining" refers to the adding of the elements of the older/French style C clef to the G clef to represent tenor clef. This was just confirmed by Daniel Spreadbury, yes. Urs -David - Simon Albrecht wrote: Am 01.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb Urs Liska: Sorry for cross-posting, but I think it's possible to get answers from both sides: When discussing LilyPond clefs that can't be represented in MusicXML the question arose whether LilyPond's "varC" clef shape is equivalent to what is called cClefCombining in SMuFL: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/clef-styles The varC clef shape in Lilypond differs from the normal C clef only through its appearance. Their meanings are identical. http://edirom.de/smufl-browser/index.html?glyphname=cClefCombining I don’t exactly get what ‘combining’ means here. Visually this is something like the varC clef in Lilypond without the two ‘bars’ at the left; perhaps these are to be added separately? Yours, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Is SMuFL's "cClefCombining" LilyPond's varC clef?
Am 01.06.2015 um 10:23 schrieb Simon Albrecht: Am 01.06.2015 um 10:11 schrieb Urs Liska: Sorry for cross-posting, but I think it's possible to get answers from both sides: When discussing LilyPond clefs that can't be represented in MusicXML the question arose whether LilyPond's "varC" clef shape is equivalent to what is called cClefCombining in SMuFL: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/clef-styles The varC clef shape in Lilypond differs from the normal C clef only through its appearance. Their meanings are identical. Where is this clef used? I assume it has been added to LilyPond for a specific purpose. Urs http://edirom.de/smufl-browser/index.html?glyphname=cClefCombining I don’t exactly get what ‘combining’ means here. Visually this is something like the varC clef in Lilypond without the two ‘bars’ at the left; perhaps these are to be added separately? Yours, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Is SMuFL's "cClefCombining" LilyPond's varC clef?
Urs Liska writes: > Am 01.06.2015 um 10:31 schrieb bobr...@centrum.is: >> I suspect the "combining" refers to the adding of the elements of >> the older/French style C clef to the G clef to represent tenor clef. > > This was just confirmed by Daniel Spreadbury, yes. I remember that we had some old clef discussion about some mensural clef provided by LilyPond and mimicking a manuscript several years ago. It turned out that the clef in question was indeed two overlayed C clefs, one for the soprano voice and one for alto (or mezzo?): both were entered in the same staff but with different vertical offsets so that either voice, even though combined into one staff, weas written in the key the respective singers were accustomed to. That's not as much a "combining" as a "combined" clef, however. No idea whether this is related. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
