Re: Lyrics ties

[Graham Percival]

Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Hi, Han-Wen:


Sounds like a good trick for the manual.


IMO, the undertie is too big in the base font -- if anyone else feels 
that way, they can also use the tip I posted which shows how to change 
the size of the undertie:




Han-Wen: I agree, it _does_ sound like a good trick for the manual.

Anybody who uses lyrics: you know how to submit doc stuff.  I don't 
understand lyrics, so I don't like to write new docs for them.  I'm 
waiting for submissions for this trick.


- Graham



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Re: Lyrics ties

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi, Han-Wen:


Sounds like a good trick for the manual.


IMO, the undertie is too big in the base font -- if anyone else feels  
that way, they can also use the tip I posted which shows how to  
change the size of the undertie:



Hope this helps!
Kieren.


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Re: Lyrics ties

[Han-Wen Nienhuys]

Michael Welsh Duggan wrote:

Maurí­cio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


  Hi,

  I'm typesetting a voice/piano composition. Sometimes, the end of a
word and the start of the next word are song in a single note. Lily
just insert both below that note. Is it possible to connect those
words using something similar to a tie between notes, to emphasize the
fact that both belong to the same note?


If you have a Unicode compliant editor, you can try using the undertie
character "‿" (U+203F).



Sounds like a good trick for the manual. Graham?


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Re: Lyrics ties

[Michael Welsh Duggan]

Maurí­cio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Hi,
>
>   I'm typesetting a voice/piano composition. Sometimes, the end of a
> word and the start of the next word are song in a single note. Lily
> just insert both below that note. Is it possible to connect those
> words using something similar to a tie between notes, to emphasize the
> fact that both belong to the same note?

If you have a Unicode compliant editor, you can try using the undertie
character "‿" (U+203F).

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Lyrics ties

[Maurí­cio]

  Hi,

  I'm typesetting a voice/piano composition. Sometimes, the end of a 
word and the start of the next word are song in a single note. Lily just 
insert both below that note. Is it possible to connect those words using 
something similar to a tie between notes, to emphasize the fact that 
both belong to the same note?


  Thanks,
  Maurício



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Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens

[Neil Killeen]

Mats

many thanks for following that up.

regards
Neil


From: Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Neil Killeen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:17:52 +0200

I have now checked an authoritative book ("Noter" by Börje Tyboni,
unfortunately only available in Swedish). It turns out that you
can have extender lines also for tied over notes, not only for
melismas. The rule is rather that you should only use an extender line
if there is a wide space to the next syllable.
My answers for 2) and 3) seem correct, though.

   /Mats

Mats Bengtsson wrote:

I don't have any book on music typesetting practice available
in front of me right now, but will try some advanced guesses
anyway.

Neil Killeen wrote:


Hi

1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ?
   Should one use an extender like with a melisma ?  Thus

   a~ a
   Fish __

  Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender

  a~ a
  Fish


I would only use extender lines for melismas, not for ties.



2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do   extend 
ties.


   E.g.

   a1~ | a1  | es1~ | es1
   Moun __ -- tains

  What I see after type setting is something like

/--\ /---\
o  o   oo
   _ _   <- First hyphen 
overlaps with extender

   Moun__   tains_

I think it's normal to only use hyphens in such a situation and no 
extender lines.





3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good 
style to

   see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ?
   E.g.

   a~ a
   Fish. __

   If not, what should one do ?   Leave out the punctuation or try and
   poke it in after the extender somehow ?



The punctuation before the extender seems reasonable.

  /Mats



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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens

[Mats Bengtsson]

I have now checked an authoritative book ("Noter" by Börje Tyboni,
unfortunately only available in Swedish). It turns out that you
can have extender lines also for tied over notes, not only for
melismas. The rule is rather that you should only use an extender line
if there is a wide space to the next syllable.
My answers for 2) and 3) seem correct, though.

   /Mats

Mats Bengtsson wrote:

I don't have any book on music typesetting practice available
in front of me right now, but will try some advanced guesses
anyway.

Neil Killeen wrote:


Hi

1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ?
   Should one use an extender like with a melisma ?  Thus

   a~ a
   Fish __

  Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender

  a~ a
  Fish


I would only use extender lines for melismas, not for ties.



2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do   
extend ties.


   E.g.

   a1~ | a1  | es1~ | es1
   Moun __ -- tains

  What I see after type setting is something like

/--\ /---\
o  o   oo
   _ _   <- First hyphen 
overlaps with extender

   Moun__   tains_

I think it's normal to only use hyphens in such a situation and no 
extender lines.





3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good 
style to

   see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ?
   E.g.

   a~ a
   Fish. __

   If not, what should one do ?   Leave out the punctuation or try and
   poke it in after the extender somehow ?



The punctuation before the extender seems reasonable.

  /Mats



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Signal Processing
Signals, Sensors and Systems
Royal Institute of Technology
SE-100 44  STOCKHOLM
Sweden
Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 
Fax:   (+46) 8 790 7260
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe
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Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens

[Mats Bengtsson]

I don't have any book on music typesetting practice available
in front of me right now, but will try some advanced guesses
anyway.

Neil Killeen wrote:


Hi

1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ?
   Should one use an extender like with a melisma ?  Thus

   a~ a
   Fish __

  Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender

  a~ a
  Fish


I would only use extender lines for melismas, not for ties.



2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do   
extend ties.


   E.g.

   a1~ | a1  | es1~ | es1
   Moun __ -- tains

  What I see after type setting is something like

/--\ /---\
o  o   oo
   _ _   <- First hyphen 
overlaps with extender

   Moun__   tains_

I think it's normal to only use hyphens in such a situation and no 
extender lines.





3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good 
style to

   see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ?
   E.g.

   a~ a
   Fish. __

   If not, what should one do ?   Leave out the punctuation or try and
   poke it in after the extender somehow ?


The punctuation before the extender seems reasonable.

  /Mats


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Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens

[Neil Killeen]

Hi

1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ?
   Should one use an extender like with a melisma ?  Thus

   a~ a
   Fish __

  Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender

  a~ a
  Fish


2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do   extend 
ties.


   E.g.

   a1~ | a1  | es1~ | es1
   Moun __ -- tains

  What I see after type setting is something like

/--\ /---\
o  o   oo
   _ _   <- First hyphen 
overlaps with extender

   Moun__   tains_



3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good style 
to

   see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ?
   E.g.

   a~ a
   Fish. __

   If not, what should one do ?   Leave out the punctuation or try and
   poke it in after the extender somehow ?


cheers
Neil




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