Notation in Soprano Clef

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Hello all,

 

A C.P.E. Bach Piano sonata has the upper staff written with the soprano
clef.

My skill at reading music in soprano clef is minimal. So I am attempting a
translation to treble clef.

Does Lilypond have means to assist in this task?

 

Thank you,

 

Mark



soprano.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
\version "2.19.83"

\relative c'' {
  \key ees \major
  \time 3/4
  \clef soprano
  
  <<{ees4 bes4. r16 g | aes8. bes32 c bes8 [r16 g'] g4}\\
{g,4 g4. r16 ees | f4 g8 [r16 bes] bes4}>> |
  
}


\relative c'' {
  \key ees \major
  \time 3/4
  \clef treble

  <<{ees4 bes4. r16 g | aes8. bes32 c bes8 [r16 g'] g4}\\
{g,4 g4. r16 ees | f4 g8 [r16 bes] bes4}>> |

  }

  

Re: Notation in Soprano Clef

[David Kastrup]

"Mark Stephen Mrotek"  writes:

> Hello all,
>
>  
>
> A C.P.E. Bach Piano sonata has the upper staff written with the soprano
> clef.
>
> My skill at reading music in soprano clef is minimal. So I am attempting a
> translation to treble clef.
>
> Does Lilypond have means to assist in this task?

LilyPond note entry names notes by pitch, not position in system.  You
can, after entering, view in soprano clef whether your entry matches the
source visually.

You can also figure out where the semitones in staff end up given the
key, figure out a suitable key that would have those semitone positions
if the clef were actually the treble clef, and then enter in that key,
pretending that it were in treble clef.

Afterwards you use Frescobaldi's transpose function to transpose your
input to the actual original key, proofread with soprano clef and
finally reprint with treble clef.

-- 
David Kastrup

Re: Notation in Soprano Clef

[David Kastrup]

"Mark Stephen Mrotek"  writes:

> Hello all,
>
>  
>
> A C.P.E. Bach Piano sonata has the upper staff written with the soprano
> clef.
>
> My skill at reading music in soprano clef is minimal. So I am attempting a
> translation to treble clef.
>
> Does Lilypond have means to assist in this task?

I see you included examples.  Well, you can just remove one staff line
at the bottom and put it at the top, and then you are in treble clef.
If that's too hard, it would appear like it's written in C Minor (or
parallel), so the half-steps in staff are G-A♭ and D-E♭ which look like
B-C and F♯-G, so pretend that this is really written in E Minor in
treble clef and afterwards use Frescobaldi's transpose function to get
it from E down to C.

It's a similar operation as transcribing something from treble clef to
bass clef.

-- 
David Kastrup

RE: Notation in Soprano Clef

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

David Kastrup,

Thank you for your kind attention to my request.
I shall attempt both of your procedures.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup [mailto:d...@gnu.org] 
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2019 4:33 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek 
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Notation in Soprano Clef

"Mark Stephen Mrotek"  writes:

> Hello all,
>
>  
>
> A C.P.E. Bach Piano sonata has the upper staff written with the 
> soprano clef.
>
> My skill at reading music in soprano clef is minimal. So I am 
> attempting a translation to treble clef.
>
> Does Lilypond have means to assist in this task?

I see you included examples.  Well, you can just remove one staff line at the 
bottom and put it at the top, and then you are in treble clef.
If that's too hard, it would appear like it's written in C Minor (or parallel), 
so the half-steps in staff are G-A♭ and D-E♭ which look like B-C and F♯-G, so 
pretend that this is really written in E Minor in treble clef and afterwards 
use Frescobaldi's transpose function to get it from E down to C.

It's a similar operation as transcribing something from treble clef to bass 
clef.

--
David Kastrup

Re: Notation in Soprano Clef

[Malte Meyn]

Am 02.11.19 um 00:19 schrieb David Kastrup:

Afterwards you use Frescobaldi's transpose function to transpose your
input to the actual original key, proofread with soprano clef and
finally reprint with treble clef.



Even better: Frescobaldi does modal transpose too so you just can input 
notes as you would read them in treble clef and then apply a modal 
transpose.

Re: Notation in Soprano Clef

[David Kastrup]

Malte Meyn  writes:

> Am 02.11.19 um 00:19 schrieb David Kastrup:
>> Afterwards you use Frescobaldi's transpose function to transpose your
>> input to the actual original key, proofread with soprano clef and
>> finally reprint with treble clef.
>>
>
> Even better: Frescobaldi does modal transpose too so you just can
> input notes as you would read them in treble clef and then apply a
> modal transpose.

That does not work as soon as accidentals come into play.

-- 
David Kastrup