Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
The noteheads of whole notes are considerably wider than the noteheads
of smaller value notes, but a whole note harmonic has a notehead that is
exactly the same width as a harmonic notehead of any lesser value, and
considerably narrower than the head of a normal whole note. This makes a
whole note chord look rather ugly when one of the notes in the chord is
a harmonic. For example, here is the final bar of Villa-Lobos' Etude No 1:
\version 2.17.25
\relative f'' {
\key e \minor
{ \override NoteHead.style = #'harmonic-mixed b1 }
\\
{
\set tieWaitForNote = ##t \stemUp
\grace { e,,,16~[ gis'~ cis~ e~] } e,, gis' cis e1
}
}
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Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
- Original Message -
From: Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:12 PM
Subject: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
The noteheads of whole notes are considerably wider than the noteheads
of smaller value notes, but a whole note harmonic has a notehead that is
exactly the same width as a harmonic notehead of any lesser value, and
considerably narrower than the head of a normal whole note. This makes a
whole note chord look rather ugly when one of the notes in the chord is
a harmonic. For example, here is the final bar of Villa-Lobos' Etude No 1:
\version 2.17.25
\relative f'' {
\key e \minor
{ \override NoteHead.style = #'harmonic-mixed b1 }
\\
{
\set tieWaitForNote = ##t \stemUp
\grace { e,,,16~[ gis'~ cis~ e~] } e,, gis' cis e1
}
}
Do you have an image of an alternative design?
--
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Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
thank you Nick for the report - I have added issue https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3543thanks=3543ts=1378731638 to the tracker Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Notehead-of-harmonic-whole-note-too-narrow-tp150520p150522.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
It strikes me more as an issue of horizontal alignment than notehead size.
For comparison, here's an example published by Boosey Hawkes (Britten violin
concerto): http://i.imgur.com/fiAgr6B.jpg
On 13:43, Mon 09 Sep 2013, Phil Holmes wrote:
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:43:45 +0100
From: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Subject: Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
To: Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net, lilypond-user@gnu.org
List-Id: LilyPond user discussion lilypond-user.gnu.org
- Original Message - From: Nick Payne
nick.pa...@internode.on.net
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:12 PM
Subject: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
The noteheads of whole notes are considerably wider than the noteheads
of smaller value notes, but a whole note harmonic has a notehead that is
exactly the same width as a harmonic notehead of any lesser value, and
considerably narrower than the head of a normal whole note. This makes a
whole note chord look rather ugly when one of the notes in the chord is
a harmonic. For example, here is the final bar of Villa-Lobos' Etude No 1:
\version 2.17.25
\relative f'' {
\key e \minor
{ \override NoteHead.style = #'harmonic-mixed b1 }
\\
{
\set tieWaitForNote = ##t \stemUp
\grace { e,,,16~[ gis'~ cis~ e~] } e,, gis' cis e1
}
}
Do you have an image of an alternative design?
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Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
- Original Message - From: Owain Sutton ow...@owainsutton.co.uk To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net; lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow It strikes me more as an issue of horizontal alignment than notehead size. For comparison, here's an example published by Boosey Hawkes (Britten violin concerto): http://i.imgur.com/fiAgr6B.jpg Thanks. I'll update the tracker with this. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Owain Sutton ow...@owainsutton.co.uk It strikes me more as an issue of horizontal alignment than notehead size. For comparison, here's an example published by Boosey Hawkes (Britten violin concerto): http://i.imgur.com/fiAgr6B.jpg Thanks. I'll update the tracker with this. That example is inconsistent...in the penultimate measure, one harmonic looks to be center-aligned, another looks to be left-aligned, and in the preceding two measures, harmonics are left-aligned, consistent with the LP example. To me it looks like more space is needed inside the notehead. There is not as much contrast in the line widths in the scanned example as in the LP example. Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
On 09:42, Mon 09 Sep 2013, Carl Peterson wrote: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:42:28 -0400 From: Carl Peterson carlopeter...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: ow...@owainsutton.co.uk, Mailinglist lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Owain Sutton ow...@owainsutton.co.uk It strikes me more as an issue of horizontal alignment than notehead size. For comparison, here's an example published by Boosey Hawkes (Britten violin concerto): http://i.imgur.com/fiAgr6B.jpg Thanks. I'll update the tracker with this. That example is inconsistent...in the penultimate measure, one harmonic looks to be center-aligned, another looks to be left-aligned, and in the preceding two measures, harmonics are left-aligned, consistent with the LP example. To me it looks like more space is needed inside the notehead. There is not as much contrast in the line widths in the scanned example as in the LP example. Carl I agree that it's not a *good* example, if anything it's evidence of a lack of any particular convention, especially once ties are involved. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
This looks a better match for the other whole notes:
\relative f'' {
\key e \minor
{
\tweak font-size #3
\tweak style #'harmonic-mixed
b1
[...]
For my taste, the harmonic note head is too big. I think the original
size is just fine if it gets centered on the whole notes (or maybe
slightly offset to the left of the center).
Werner
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Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
On 09/09/13 22:43, Phil Holmes wrote:
- Original Message - From: Nick Payne
nick.pa...@internode.on.net
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:12 PM
Subject: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
The noteheads of whole notes are considerably wider than the noteheads
of smaller value notes, but a whole note harmonic has a notehead that is
exactly the same width as a harmonic notehead of any lesser value, and
considerably narrower than the head of a normal whole note. This makes a
whole note chord look rather ugly when one of the notes in the chord is
a harmonic. For example, here is the final bar of Villa-Lobos' Etude
No 1:
\version 2.17.25
\relative f'' {
\key e \minor
{ \override NoteHead.style = #'harmonic-mixed b1 }
\\
{
\set tieWaitForNote = ##t \stemUp
\grace { e,,,16~[ gis'~ cis~ e~] } e,, gis' cis e1
}
}
Do you have an image of an alternative design?
This looks a better match for the other whole notes:
\relative f'' {
\key e \minor
{
\tweak font-size #3
\tweak style #'harmonic-mixed
b1
}
\\
{
\set tieWaitForNote = ##t \stemUp
\grace { e,,,16~[ gis'~ cis~ e~] } e,, gis' cis e1
}
}
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Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
3 comments (\version 2.16.0 or \version 2.17.19):
1) in this simple case it looks somehow better (at least it is centered):
{ c'''\harmonic g''1 }
2) I would prefer if it is stretched a bit horizontally and not just
magnified to match the wider shape of the whole note. A sketch is
attached - this is not perfect, the ledger lines should be adapted, but
it shows what I mean.
(to make it clear: I have never seen such a wide harmonic in print, it
just looks nice to my eyes)
3) This looks very ugly, because the ledger lines have a different length:
{ d'''\harmonic a''1 }
Cheers,
Joram
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Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
The difference concerning centering, is this: using
\override NoteHead #'style = #'harmonic-mixed
in your example, it gets left aligned, using
\harmonic
it gets centered.
I would not have expected this to make a difference.
\version 2.17.25
\relative f'' {
\key e \minor
\set tieWaitForNote = ##t
\stemUp
\grace { e,,16~[ gis'~ cis~ e~] }
e,, gis' cis e b'\harmonic1
}
Joram
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Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
your example is not exactly comparable since
you get a chord full of harmonic-mixed or harmonic notes
with \override
but using \tweak for the single notes reveals a visible
difference:
Am 10.09.2013 00:39, schrieb Noeck:
The difference concerning centering, is this: using
\override NoteHead #'style = #'harmonic-mixed
in your example, it gets left aligned, using
\harmonic
it gets centered.
I would not have expected this to make a difference.
\version "2.17.25"
\relative f'' {
\key e \minor
\set tieWaitForNote = ##t
\stemUp
\grace { e,,16~[ gis'~ cis~ e~] }
e,, gis' cis e b'\harmonic1
}
Joram
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Re: Notehead of harmonic whole note too narrow
ooops - sorry, I wasn't aware that in the original example the harmonic note was in another voice context - my apologies Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Notehead-of-harmonic-whole-note-too-narrow-tp150520p150543.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
