Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

2014-04-24 9:37 GMT+02:00 Federico Bruni :

Hi Federico,


> I may do it today but I'm not sure about the version I have.  For example,
> my file is 424  lines long, no line 437 and no typo... Last change on my
> file system is 8 December. See file attached.
>

It's shorter because older. Harm wrote : "[..] Additionally LillyJAZZ.ily
was updated with all recent improvements. [...]"
And, yes, you have the typo to ;).

2014-04-24 0:48 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska :

Hi Urs,

So where is now the latest and most complete version of LilyJAZZ?
> We would still like to make it accessible through the openLilyLib snippets
> repo, just beside the SMuFL/Bravura "adaptor"
>

ASAP I'll send the v2.18 LilyJAZZ I use and detail possible enhancement.

Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: [SPAM] Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Urs Liska]

Am 24.04.2014 09:58, schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider:

2014-04-24 0:48 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska:

Hi Urs,

So where is now the latest and most complete version of LilyJAZZ?

>We would still like to make it accessible through the openLilyLib snippets
>repo, just beside the SMuFL/Bravura "adaptor"
>

ASAP I'll send the v2.18 LilyJAZZ I use and detail possible enhancement.

Cheers,
Pierre



OK, thank you in advance.
It would be best to have it arranged in the structure of our repo, and 
maybe even as a pull request. But you can also send me anything by 
(private) email, together with instructions if necessary, and I can 
include it.


Best
Urs

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Federico Bruni]

I meant to send a pull  request, but I forgot to do it.
I may do it today but I'm not sure about the version I have.  For example,
my file is 424  lines long, no line 437 and no typo... Last change on my
file system is 8 December. See file attached.

This is  the  place waiting for the files:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/custom-music-fonts/LilyJAZZ/README.md



2014-04-24 0:48 GMT+02:00 Urs Liska :

> So where is now the latest and most complete version of LilyJAZZ?
> We would still like to make it accessible through the openLilyLib snippets
> repo, just beside the SMuFL/Bravura "adaptor"
>
> Urs
>
> Schneidy  schrieb am 23.04.2014:
>>
>> Thomas Morley-2 wrote
>>
>>> Additionally LillyJAZZ.ily was updated with all recent improvements.
>>
>>
>> Hi Harm,
>>
>> Sorry to come that late into this discussion (I've just moved to v2.18
>> LilyJAZZ few minutes ago).
>> Just to say that there is a typo line 437 :
>> \revert Staff.KeyCancellation #'stenci(l)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ~Pierre
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Thomas Morley]

2014-04-24 0:34 GMT+02:00 Schneidy :
> Thomas Morley-2 wrote
>> Additionally LillyJAZZ.ily was updated with all recent improvements.
>
> Hi Harm,
>
> Sorry to come that late into this discussion (I've just moved to v2.18
> LilyJAZZ few minutes ago).
> Just to say that there is a typo line 437 :
> \revert Staff.KeyCancellation #'stenci(l)

Good catch!
Researching a bit, I found this typo already in the first version
Torsten ever posted.
http://www.lilypondforum.de/index.php?topic=1218.0
(You need an account there to see the file, though.)

Cheers,
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Urs Liska]

So where is now the latest and most complete version of LilyJAZZ?
We would still like to make it accessible through the openLilyLib snippets 
repo, just beside the SMuFL/Bravura "adaptor"

Urs

Schneidy  schrieb am 23.04.2014:
>Thomas Morley-2 wrote
>> Additionally LillyJAZZ.ily was updated with all recent improvements.
>
>Hi Harm,
>
>Sorry to come that late into this discussion (I've just moved to v2.18
>LilyJAZZ few minutes ago).
>Just to say that there is a typo line 437 : 
>\revert Staff.KeyCancellation #'stenci(l)
>
>Cheers,
>~Pierre
>
>
>
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Schneidy]

Thomas Morley-2 wrote
> Additionally LillyJAZZ.ily was updated with all recent improvements.

Hi Harm,

Sorry to come that late into this discussion (I've just moved to v2.18
LilyJAZZ few minutes ago).
Just to say that there is a typo line 437 : 
\revert Staff.KeyCancellation #'stenci(l)

Cheers,
~Pierre




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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Urs Liska]

Am 10.12.2013 07:19, schrieb Urs Liska:

Am 10.12.2013 00:49, schrieb Janek Warcho?:

2013/12/8 David Kastrup:

"Shall be" does not state when.  It's certainly not a replacement for a
formal submission.  If someone finds a way to get hold of the author and
get him to place the thing in some public place with a clear license
statement, it would not get lost in case he becomes harder to reach.

The problem is that he had already become harder to reach.
Anyway, i think it would be a good idea to try to contact him using
other means - telephone, other email?
But this should be done by someone speaking German.  For example, i
found 
thishttp://telefonbuch-suche.com/torsten-h%C3%A4mmerle-kleinschmidtstra%C3%9Fe-69115-heidelberg
but i'm not sure if it could be of actual use because i don't
understand German and thus don't understand the full context :-/

Janek

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I'll give that a try.
But it's of course not sure that this actually points at the right 
place ...




Trying to call that number was responded by "Unknown Number".
Together with this: 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2013-12/msg00499.html


I think we can conclude that Torsten Hämmerle _is_ unavailable for the 
time being.


Wo what should we do?
I reread the statement in Torsten's initial message:

" At any rate, the whole LilyJAZZ issue shall be open and free (just 
like Lilypond), so I first had to create my own fonts in order to become 
independent of commercial ones."


and I'm quite positive that this is meant as a submission to LilyPond's 
licence.


Please have look at 
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/custom-music-fonts/LilyJAZZ/README.md

for my reasoning and proposed solution.

So: All that have worked with and on LilyJAZZ in the meantime, please 
make it available in our library.
Please create an includable LilyJAZZ.ily file in that folder, a working 
LilyJAZZ-example.ly file beside, and complete the README with 
installation/usage instructions.


Urs

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Urs Liska]

Am 10.12.2013 00:49, schrieb Janek Warcho?:

2013/12/8 David Kastrup :

"Shall be" does not state when.  It's certainly not a replacement for a
formal submission.  If someone finds a way to get hold of the author and
get him to place the thing in some public place with a clear license
statement, it would not get lost in case he becomes harder to reach.

The problem is that he had already become harder to reach.
Anyway, i think it would be a good idea to try to contact him using
other means - telephone, other email?
But this should be done by someone speaking German.  For example, i
found this 
http://telefonbuch-suche.com/torsten-h%C3%A4mmerle-kleinschmidtstra%C3%9Fe-69115-heidelberg
but i'm not sure if it could be of actual use because i don't
understand German and thus don't understand the full context :-/

Janek

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I'll give that a try.
But it's of course not sure that this actually points at the right place ...
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/12/8 David Kastrup :
> "Shall be" does not state when.  It's certainly not a replacement for a
> formal submission.  If someone finds a way to get hold of the author and
> get him to place the thing in some public place with a clear license
> statement, it would not get lost in case he becomes harder to reach.

The problem is that he had already become harder to reach.
Anyway, i think it would be a good idea to try to contact him using
other means - telephone, other email?
But this should be done by someone speaking German.  For example, i
found this 
http://telefonbuch-suche.com/torsten-h%C3%A4mmerle-kleinschmidtstra%C3%9Fe-69115-heidelberg
but i'm not sure if it could be of actual use because i don't
understand German and thus don't understand the full context :-/

Janek

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[David Kastrup]

Curt  writes:

> In his initial announcement, he wrote, "At any rate, the whole
> LilyJAZZ issue shall be open and free (just like Lilypond)..."
>
> Is that not enough?
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2013-03/msg00647.html

"Shall be" does not state when.  It's certainly not a replacement for a
formal submission.  If someone finds a way to get hold of the author and
get him to place the thing in some public place with a clear license
statement, it would not get lost in case he becomes harder to reach.

-- 
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Curt]

In his initial announcement, he wrote, "At any rate, the whole LilyJAZZ issue 
shall be open and free (just like Lilypond)..."

Is that not enough?

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2013-03/msg00647.html

Curt

On Dec 8, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Federico Bruni  wrote:

> 2013/11/25 Urs Liska 
> I have to add that some opinions were raised that we can't simply put 
> something in such a library that was 'published' on lilypond-user without 
> asking back with the author - who seems to be unreachable for LilyJAZZ.
> 
> in the archives I've found his web.de address
> I sent him an email but I received this error message:
> 
> 552-Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Federico Bruni]

2013/11/25 Urs Liska 

> I have to add that some opinions were raised that we can't simply put
> something in such a library that was 'published' on lilypond-user without
> asking back with the author - who seems to be unreachable for LilyJAZZ.
>

in the archives I've found his web.de address
I sent him an email but I received this error message:

552-Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Federico Bruni]

2013/12/2 Federico Bruni 

> 2013/12/2 David Kastrup 
>
>> Wouldn't it make sense to integrate the bend stuff into LilyPond?  That
>> would make it easier to match versions and behavior.
>>
>
> I think that it would be great.
> I've never used it much because of version conflicts and because I hoped
> that 1196 would have been solved sooner or later.
> Now since the work on 1196 seems stalling, integrating the bend stuff in
> lilypond sounds sensible to me. I'll have the chance to test it in real
> music examples in the coming weeks.
>
> Should I split issue 1196?
> I may create a new issue to integrate this stuff and rename 1196 as "add
> an engraver for bending". Because AFAIK the bend stuff is experimental and
> it would work better if a specific engraver was created.
>
>
I've just added issue 3700:
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3700

and updated 1196.
Hope it's ok
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/12/2 David Kastrup :
> Thomas Morley  writes:
>> it's because grace-notes are beamed per default with 2.17.96.
>> Change the example to
>> \bendGrace { \preBendRelease c8( \noBeam d)( } c2) r2
>>
>> or better the definition of 'preBendRelease' to
>
> Wouldn't it make sense to integrate the bend stuff into LilyPond?  That
> would make it easier to match versions and behavior.

Sure, but from what i see the code would require some cleanup to go
through review - the question is, who'd like to do this.  I started
some cleanup (https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/pull/16) but at
the moment i don't have time to do this thoroughly.

best,
Janek

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Federico Bruni]

2013/12/2 David Kastrup 

> Wouldn't it make sense to integrate the bend stuff into LilyPond?  That
> would make it easier to match versions and behavior.
>

I think that it would be great.
I've never used it much because of version conflicts and because I hoped
that 1196 would have been solved sooner or later.
Now since the work on 1196 seems stalling, integrating the bend stuff in
lilypond sounds sensible to me. I'll have the chance to test it in real
music examples in the coming weeks.

Should I split issue 1196?
I may create a new issue to integrate this stuff and rename 1196 as "add an
engraver for bending". Because AFAIK the bend stuff is experimental and it
would work better if a specific engraver was created.
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[David Kastrup]

Thomas Morley  writes:

> 2013/11/26 Federico Bruni :
>
>> If Marc or Harm are reading this message, I've just compiled bendtest.ly
>> with 2.17.96 and there's a problem in measure 10: a beam appears and I get
>> this warning:
>>
>> Drawing systems...
>>
>> bendtest.ly: warning: no viable initial configuration found: may not find
>> good beam slope
>>
>> \bendGrace {
>>
>> \preBendRelease c8( d)( } c2) r2
>>
>> Layout output to `bendtest.ps'...
>>
>> Converting to `./bendtest.pdf'...
>
> Hi Federico,
>
> it's because grace-notes are beamed per default with 2.17.96.
> Change the example to
> \bendGrace { \preBendRelease c8( \noBeam d)( } c2) r2
>
> or better the definition of 'preBendRelease' to

Wouldn't it make sense to integrate the bend stuff into LilyPond?  That
would make it easier to match versions and behavior.

-- 
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Janek Warchoł]

Hi,

2013/12/2 Thomas Morley :
> 2013/11/26 Federico Bruni :
>
>> If Marc or Harm are reading this message, I've just compiled bendtest.ly
>> with 2.17.96 and there's a problem in measure 10: a beam appears and I get
>> this warning:
>>
>> Drawing systems...
>>
>> bendtest.ly: warning: no viable initial configuration found: may not find
>> good beam slope
>>
>> \bendGrace {
>>
>> \preBendRelease c8( d)( } c2) r2
>>
>> Layout output to `bendtest.ps'...
>>
>> Converting to `./bendtest.pdf'...
>
> Hi Federico,
>
> it's because grace-notes are beamed per default with 2.17.96.
> Change the example to
> \bendGrace { \preBendRelease c8( \noBeam d)( } c2) r2
>
> or better the definition of 'preBendRelease' to
>
> preBendRelease =
> #(define-music-function (parser location note) (ly:music?)
>#{
>  \once \override TabVoice.Slur #'stencil = #slur::draw-pre-bend-hold
>  \once \override TabStaff.ParenthesesItem #'transparent = ##t
>  \once \override Voice.Slur #'direction = #DOWN
>  \autoBeamOff \parenthesize $note \autoBeamOn
>#})

Yeah, we already fixed that in the bend-update branch of the
repository, currently being pull-requested.  Review it here:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/pull/16

I like the way in which putting this on github fosters collaboration
and development of that snippet (at least i am personally more
inclined to work on code that lives in some repository ;P).

best,
Janek

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Thomas Morley]

2013/11/26 Federico Bruni :

> If Marc or Harm are reading this message, I've just compiled bendtest.ly
> with 2.17.96 and there's a problem in measure 10: a beam appears and I get
> this warning:
>
> Drawing systems...
>
> bendtest.ly: warning: no viable initial configuration found: may not find
> good beam slope
>
> \bendGrace {
>
> \preBendRelease c8( d)( } c2) r2
>
> Layout output to `bendtest.ps'...
>
> Converting to `./bendtest.pdf'...

Hi Federico,

it's because grace-notes are beamed per default with 2.17.96.
Change the example to
\bendGrace { \preBendRelease c8( \noBeam d)( } c2) r2

or better the definition of 'preBendRelease' to

preBendRelease =
#(define-music-function (parser location note) (ly:music?)
   #{
 \once \override TabVoice.Slur #'stencil = #slur::draw-pre-bend-hold
 \once \override TabStaff.ParenthesesItem #'transparent = ##t
 \once \override Voice.Slur #'direction = #DOWN
 \autoBeamOff \parenthesize $note \autoBeamOn
   #})


Sorry for the late reply
  Harm

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/11/26 Federico Bruni :
> 2013/11/25 Janek Warchoł 
>>
>> If you'd like to help with getting bend stuff and LilyJAZZ into
>> openlilylib/snippets that would be absolutely awesome!  We accept pull
>> requests on github, or you could send us patches.  If you don't feel
>> comfortable with such workflows, It would be enough if you just told
>> us what exactly to put there.  In other words, we need:
>> - the latest version of the stuff to put into the repostory
>> - up-to-date description, including known issues, TODOs, nonstandard
>> dependencies etc.  In other words, the description should contain all
>> important informations about the package (so that one doesn't have to
>> sift through mailing list archives or tracker issue comments).
>
> I have an account on github and I'm ok with that workflow.
> In the weekend I'll send a pull request for bend.ly, including a commit for
> each version of bend.ly (from original 2.14 by Marc to 2.16 adapted by
> Harm).

*excellent!*  I'm looking forward to this :-)

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Federico Bruni]

2013/11/25 Janek Warchoł 

> If you'd like to help with getting bend stuff and LilyJAZZ into
>
openlilylib/snippets that would be absolutely awesome!  We accept pull
> requests on github, or you could send us patches.  If you don't feel
> comfortable with such workflows, It would be enough if you just told
> us what exactly to put there.  In other words, we need:
> - the latest version of the stuff to put into the repostory
> - up-to-date description, including known issues, TODOs, nonstandard
> dependencies etc.  In other words, the description should contain all
> important informations about the package (so that one doesn't have to
> sift through mailing list archives or tracker issue comments).
>

I have an account on github and I'm ok with that workflow.
In the weekend I'll send a pull request for bend.ly, including a commit for
each version of bend.ly (from original 2.14 by Marc to 2.16 adapted by
Harm).

If Marc or Harm are reading this message, I've just compiled
bendtest.lywith 2.17.96 and there's a problem in measure 10: a beam
appears and I get
this warning:

Drawing systems...

bendtest.ly <0>: warning: no viable initial configuration found: may not
find good beam slope

\bendGrace {

\preBendRelease c8( d)( } c2) r2

Layout output to `bendtest.ps'...

Converting to `./bendtest.pdf'...
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Urs Liska]

Am 25.11.2013 00:11, schrieb Janek Warchoł:

2013/11/24 Federico Bruni :

2013/10/9 Urs Liska 

I followed this thread only loosely.
As long as we can't directly include LilyJAZZ into LilyPond I suggest
making it available (and improvable) here:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/LilyJAZZ
I just created a folder where all related stuff can be placed.
So I would suggest that once you have sorted everything out someone adds
the files there, maybe also writes an introduction in the README.md file
(which will be automatically displayed when viewing the folder).

Hi Urs

I see that the new link is:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/custom-music-fonts/LilyJAZZ

but it's empty. What is preventing from having the last version of LilyJAZZ
there? Maybe some copyright issue?

No, it's not quite about copyright.
I cannot speak for Urs, but as we're both maintaining this repository,
i'll say how the situation looks from my point of view:
- i'm not quite sure where to find the latest version of LilyJAZZ and
whether there are any knows issues that should be documented.  Of
course it's just a matter of reading archive emails, but there's quite
a lot of them and i don't have much time...
- together with Urs we focused on finishing Fried project and writing
post series about it on the blog
(http://lilypondblog.org/category/fried-songs/) and this took much of
our time,
- some people expressed concerns about creating a separate repository
with lilypond stuff like openlilylib/snippets (they said that it's
diluting our resources and manpower), so i didn't want to push it lest
that someone will think that i'm trying to hijack developers or
something.


I  think that such a repository is a great idea. Could you include also
bend.ly and bendtest.ly? See this issue
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1196
Harm adapted it for 2.17.x
Let me know if I can help somehow

If you'd like to help with getting bend stuff and LilyJAZZ into
openlilylib/snippets that would be absolutely awesome!  We accept pull
requests on github, or you could send us patches.  If you don't feel
comfortable with such workflows, It would be enough if you just told
us what exactly to put there.  In other words, we need:
- the latest version of the stuff to put into the repostory
- up-to-date description, including known issues, TODOs, nonstandard
dependencies etc.  In other words, the description should contain all
important informations about the package (so that one doesn't have to
sift through mailing list archives or tracker issue comments).

Don't get me wrong - i don't expect a 10-page dissertation and full user manual!

I'll gladly help with getting LilyJAZZ into the repository, but i'm
currently not able to lead such effort - someone has to take
responsibility, and i'll support him as much i can.


I have to add that some opinions were raised that we can't simply put 
something in such a library that was 'published' on lilypond-user 
without asking back with the author - who seems to be unreachable for 
LilyJAZZ.


And for the reasons Janek described I didn't have enough time or energy 
to follow this anymore.

But I'd say if anybody will help we're gladly helping to put it online.

Urs




best,
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/11/24 Federico Bruni :
> 2013/10/9 Urs Liska 
>> I followed this thread only loosely.
>> As long as we can't directly include LilyJAZZ into LilyPond I suggest
>> making it available (and improvable) here:
>> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/LilyJAZZ
>> I just created a folder where all related stuff can be placed.
>> So I would suggest that once you have sorted everything out someone adds
>> the files there, maybe also writes an introduction in the README.md file
>> (which will be automatically displayed when viewing the folder).
>
> Hi Urs
>
> I see that the new link is:
> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/custom-music-fonts/LilyJAZZ
>
> but it's empty. What is preventing from having the last version of LilyJAZZ
> there? Maybe some copyright issue?

No, it's not quite about copyright.
I cannot speak for Urs, but as we're both maintaining this repository,
i'll say how the situation looks from my point of view:
- i'm not quite sure where to find the latest version of LilyJAZZ and
whether there are any knows issues that should be documented.  Of
course it's just a matter of reading archive emails, but there's quite
a lot of them and i don't have much time...
- together with Urs we focused on finishing Fried project and writing
post series about it on the blog
(http://lilypondblog.org/category/fried-songs/) and this took much of
our time,
- some people expressed concerns about creating a separate repository
with lilypond stuff like openlilylib/snippets (they said that it's
diluting our resources and manpower), so i didn't want to push it lest
that someone will think that i'm trying to hijack developers or
something.

> I  think that such a repository is a great idea. Could you include also
> bend.ly and bendtest.ly? See this issue
> https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1196
> Harm adapted it for 2.17.x
> Let me know if I can help somehow

If you'd like to help with getting bend stuff and LilyJAZZ into
openlilylib/snippets that would be absolutely awesome!  We accept pull
requests on github, or you could send us patches.  If you don't feel
comfortable with such workflows, It would be enough if you just told
us what exactly to put there.  In other words, we need:
- the latest version of the stuff to put into the repostory
- up-to-date description, including known issues, TODOs, nonstandard
dependencies etc.  In other words, the description should contain all
important informations about the package (so that one doesn't have to
sift through mailing list archives or tracker issue comments).

Don't get me wrong - i don't expect a 10-page dissertation and full user manual!

I'll gladly help with getting LilyJAZZ into the repository, but i'm
currently not able to lead such effort - someone has to take
responsibility, and i'll support him as much i can.

best,
Janek

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Federico Bruni]

2013/10/9 Urs Liska 

> I followed this thread only loosely.
> As long as we can't directly include LilyJAZZ into LilyPond I suggest
> making it available (and improvable) here:
> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/LilyJAZZ
> I just created a folder where all related stuff can be placed.
> So I would suggest that once you have sorted everything out someone adds
> the files there, maybe also writes an introduction in the README.md file
> (which will be automatically displayed when viewing the folder).
>

Hi Urs

I see that the new link is:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/custom-music-fonts/LilyJAZZ

but it's empty. What is preventing from having the last version of LilyJAZZ
there? Maybe some copyright issue?

I  think that such a repository is a great idea. Could you include also
bend.ly and bendtest.ly? See this issue
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1196
Harm adapted it for 2.17.x
Let me know if I can help somehow

Thank you
Federico
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Re: LilyPond version predictaes [was: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily]

[Urs Liska]

Am 10.10.2013 11:34, schrieb Urs Liska:

...
OK, it's fixed now and extended by the other predicates:

https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/general-tools/lilypond-version-predicates.ily
Sorry, wrong link.




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LilyPond version predictaes [was: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily]

[Urs Liska]

Thanks Harm for the report and Marc for the suggestion.

Actually when reading your first email I had already noticed and fixed 
the issue.
I'm somewhat frustrated how this could have happened. Originally I typed 
that function correctly and I would have sworn someone has modified it 
afterwards. Unfortunately the Git log shows that this 'someone' must 
have been me :-(


OK, it's fixed now and extended by the other predicates:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/general-tools/lilypond-version-predicates.ily 
 
and

https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/general-tools/lilypond-version-predicates-example.ly

I think this can be useful for any functions that should execute 
version-dependent code.
For example to make LilyJAZZ includable regardless of the run LilyPond 
version?


Best
Urs

Am 10.10.2013 08:51, schrieb Marc Hohl:

Am 10.10.2013 01:56, schrieb Thomas Morley:

2013/10/9 Urs Liska :
[...]


One more thing which might be useful for the technical issues you are
talking about:
I started a snippet to switch program execution based on the used 
LilyPond

version
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/specific-solutions/lilypond-version-switch.ly 

Currently there is only one function 'lilypond-greater-than?' but I 
intend
to add equivalents to the other comparison operators. I think this 
approach
should allow you to make LilyJAZZ work with 2.16 and 2.17 at the 
same time?


HTH
Urs


Hi Urs,

your coding will not work.
Regard the results from:

2.12.3  -> 17
2.14.2  -> 18
2.16.2  -> 20
2.17.28 -> 47
seems to be ok,

though:

2.15.40 -> 57

You need to do a more detailed comparison.


Under the assumption that the last part of the version will never
exceed 99, why not go for

x.y.z -> (x*1000)+(y*100)+z

or, to be on the safe side for the next 300 years or so ;-)

x.y.z -> (x*10^6)+(y*10^3)+z

Just my 2ct

Marc


Cheers,
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Jim Long]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 01:40:06AM +0200, Thomas Morley wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> this is another font and simply installing the font doesn't changes
> accidentals in chords with alterations.

True, I intentionally showed LilyPond's standard chordname
formatting.

I customize the look of my chord symbols with my personalized
version of Robert Schmaus' work:

% JAZZ CHORDS
% (based upon pop-chords.ly by James L. Hammons)
%
% v3.1

Robert's work does a good job of managing font sizes of
accidentals and other symbols, uses a lowercase 'm' for minor,
all that stuff.  And when it doesn't do what you want, it's easy
to modify.  I agree with other comments that the fact that
LilyJAZZText is a "small caps" font makes it unsuitable for
chordnames.  Using the lilyjazzchord font allows me to retain my
prefered lower case styling of "min", "dim" "aug", "add", "sus",
etc.

> Additionally LillyJAZZ.ily was updated with all recent improvements.

Thanks for managing the feedback and for fixing problems.  Is
there a URL?  A resolution to issue 3096 would be a welcome next
step.  Marc Hohl's workaround, jazzTempoMarkup, looks very nice,
but complicates rehearsal marks that occur at the same point as
tempo indications.

Jim


https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3096

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Marc Hohl]

Am 10.10.2013 08:10, schrieb Martin Tarenskeen:



On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Tim McNamara wrote:


Thanks for having a bash at that.  As a matter of taste, I think I
prefer not having the font's sharps and flats used in the chord names
because they look disproportionately large compared to the text,
whereas the default accidentals look fine to my eyes.  Also, the lack
of a lower case "m" in the font has confused my horn players so I use
"-" instead of "m" in minor chords.



Hi,

I'm following this discussion from a distance. I am not a Jazz musician
and have always wondered why Jazz musicians prefer computer-engraved
sheet music that tries to look like it is hand written. My brother is a
jazz composer/arranger who uses Finale and who always uses Finale's
jazzfont for his compositions.

Is it just a tradition, and something jazz musicians feel familiar and
comfortable with while writing and reading music? Or is a Jazzfont
*really* easier to read on stage?


I think the chord names are easier to read with that font, but a bold
version of a text font will work as well (LilyPonds default and the
fonts used in guitar song books would not work quite well).

Apart from that it is merely a habit. I found out that I am irritated
to find a H-7 (the german B minor 7) in a Jazz score, but have no
problems playing a Hm7 in a songbook, so it is probably some kind of
context dependency.
(As a side note: I can read the bass clef much faster when I have a
bass guitar on the strap. Trying to identify the notes with a
guitar at hand feels unfamiliar and thus takes more time).

Just my personal experience, but this is an interesting topic for sure


It would be interesting to do scientific research in what way a music
font can influence the way we read music: reading speed, number of
errors when sight-reading, things like that.


There is an interesting attempt for a slanted music font called 'Musica 
presto' by Hermann Zapf sketched in 1938 that should mimic the speed of

the piece by having slanted clefs, stems etc.
I assume the second world war prevented further work in this direction,
but the specimens look interesting.


Maybe it could even be possible to design a music font that improves the
reading skills for people who have always had trouble to read music.
Something comparable to that special text font that was designed for
people with dyslexia: http://www.studiostudio.nl/en/information/


This would imply a lot of testing in real-world conditions.
But the idea is promising ;-)

Marc


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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Marc Hohl]

Am 10.10.2013 01:56, schrieb Thomas Morley:

2013/10/9 Urs Liska :
[...]


One more thing which might be useful for the technical issues you are
talking about:
I started a snippet to switch program execution based on the used LilyPond
version
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/specific-solutions/lilypond-version-switch.ly
Currently there is only one function 'lilypond-greater-than?' but I intend
to add equivalents to the other comparison operators. I think this approach
should allow you to make LilyJAZZ work with 2.16 and 2.17 at the same time?

HTH
Urs


Hi Urs,

your coding will not work.
Regard the results from:

2.12.3  -> 17
2.14.2  -> 18
2.16.2  -> 20
2.17.28 -> 47
seems to be ok,

though:

2.15.40 -> 57

You need to do a more detailed comparison.


Under the assumption that the last part of the version will never
exceed 99, why not go for

x.y.z -> (x*1000)+(y*100)+z

or, to be on the safe side for the next 300 years or so ;-)

x.y.z -> (x*10^6)+(y*10^3)+z

Just my 2ct

Marc


Cheers,
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Martin Tarenskeen]

On Thu, 10 Oct 2013, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:

Maybe it could even be possible to design a music font that improves the 
reading skills for people who have always had trouble to read music. 
Something comparable to that special text font that was designed for people 
with dyslexia: http://www.studiostudio.nl/en/information/


P.S. There is also OpenDyslexic, an open source version 
at http://opendyslexic.org/


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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Martin Tarenskeen]

On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Tim McNamara wrote:

Thanks for having a bash at that.  As a matter of taste, I think I 
prefer not having the font's sharps and flats used in the chord names 
because they look disproportionately large compared to the text, whereas 
the default accidentals look fine to my eyes.  Also, the lack of a lower 
case "m" in the font has confused my horn players so I use "-" instead 
of "m" in minor chords.



Hi,

I'm following this discussion from a distance. I am not a Jazz musician 
and have always wondered why Jazz musicians prefer computer-engraved sheet 
music that tries to look like it is hand written. My brother is a jazz 
composer/arranger who uses Finale and who always uses Finale's jazzfont 
for his compositions.


Is it just a tradition, and something jazz musicians feel familiar and 
comfortable with while writing and reading music? Or is a Jazzfont 
*really* easier to read on stage?


It would be interesting to do scientific research in what way a music font 
can influence the way we read music: reading speed, number of errors when 
sight-reading, things like that.


Maybe it could even be possible to design a music font that improves the 
reading skills for people who have always had trouble to read music. 
Something comparable to that special text font that was designed for 
people with dyslexia: http://www.studiostudio.nl/en/information/


I have heard this font really works for some people with dyslexia.

--

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Tim McNamara]

On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Thomas Morley  wrote:

> 2013/10/9 Jim Long :
>> On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:53:35AM +0200, Thomas Morley wrote:
>>> 2013/10/9 Jim Long :
>>> 
  \override ChordName #'font-name = #"lilyjazzchord"
>>> 
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> 
>>> never heard of "lilyjazzchord".
>>> Where to get?
>>> 
>>> Compiling your snippet returns LilyPond-default for the ChordNames.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>>  Harm
>> 
>> It's available from the French-language page at:
>> 
>> https://sites.google.com/site/jpgzic/home/la-police
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> Hi,
> 
> this is another font and simply installing the font doesn't changes
> accidentals in chords with alterations.
> 
> So I made some effort and fully coded chords with Torstens font.
> -> ignatzek-jazz-chords.ily

Thanks for having a bash at that.  As a matter of taste, I think I prefer not 
having the font's sharps and flats used in the chord names because they look 
disproportionately large compared to the text, whereas the default accidentals 
look fine to my eyes.  Also, the lack of a lower case "m" in the font has 
confused my horn players so I use "-" instead of "m" in minor chords.



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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Thomas Morley]

2013/10/9 Urs Liska :
[...]
>
> One more thing which might be useful for the technical issues you are
> talking about:
> I started a snippet to switch program execution based on the used LilyPond
> version
> https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/specific-solutions/lilypond-version-switch.ly
> Currently there is only one function 'lilypond-greater-than?' but I intend
> to add equivalents to the other comparison operators. I think this approach
> should allow you to make LilyJAZZ work with 2.16 and 2.17 at the same time?
>
> HTH
> Urs

Hi Urs,

your coding will not work.
Regard the results from:

2.12.3  -> 17
2.14.2  -> 18
2.16.2  -> 20
2.17.28 -> 47
seems to be ok,

though:

2.15.40 -> 57

You need to do a more detailed comparison.

Cheers,
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Urs Liska]

Am 09.10.2013 01:07, schrieb Jim Long:

On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:53:35AM +0200, Thomas Morley wrote:

2013/10/9 Jim Long :


   \override ChordName #'font-name = #"lilyjazzchord"

Hi Jim,

never heard of "lilyjazzchord".
Where to get?

Compiling your snippet returns LilyPond-default for the ChordNames.

Cheers,
   Harm

It's available from the French-language page at:

https://sites.google.com/site/jpgzic/home/la-police


Jim


Hi all who are involved,

I followed this thread only loosely.
As long as we can't directly include LilyJAZZ into LilyPond I suggest 
making it available (and improvable) here:

https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/LilyJAZZ
I just created a folder where all related stuff can be placed.
So I would suggest that once you have sorted everything out someone adds 
the files there, maybe also writes an introduction in the README.md file 
(which will be automatically displayed when viewing the folder).


One more thing which might be useful for the technical issues you are 
talking about:
I started a snippet to switch program execution based on the used 
LilyPond version

https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/blob/master/specific-solutions/lilypond-version-switch.ly
Currently there is only one function 'lilypond-greater-than?' but I 
intend to add equivalents to the other comparison operators. I think 
this approach should allow you to make LilyJAZZ work with 2.16 and 2.17 
at the same time?


HTH
Urs
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Jim Long]

On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:53:35AM +0200, Thomas Morley wrote:
> 2013/10/9 Jim Long :
> 
> >   \override ChordName #'font-name = #"lilyjazzchord"
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> never heard of "lilyjazzchord".
> Where to get?
> 
> Compiling your snippet returns LilyPond-default for the ChordNames.
> 
> Cheers,
>   Harm

It's available from the French-language page at:

https://sites.google.com/site/jpgzic/home/la-police


Jim

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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Thomas Morley]

2013/10/9 Jim Long :

>   \override ChordName #'font-name = #"lilyjazzchord"

Hi Jim,

never heard of "lilyjazzchord".
Where to get?

Compiling your snippet returns LilyPond-default for the ChordNames.

Cheers,
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Re: Problems with LilyJAZZ.ily

[Jim Long]

On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 09:46:45PM +, Steve Noland wrote:
> 
> An additional question: can someone provide a snippet that shows how the 
> LilyJAZZ fonts do with jazz chordnames?

\version "2.17.26"

\include "LilyJAZZ.ily"

globalMusic = {
  \time 4/4
  \key a \minor
} % globalMusic

harmonies = \new ChordNames \with {

  chordChanges = ##t
  \override ChordName #'font-size = #0
  \override ChordName #'font-name = #"lilyjazzchord"

} \chordmode {

  a1:m7 | b2:m7.5- e:7.9+
  a1:m7 | b2:m7.5- e:7.9+

} % harmonies

melody = \relative e'' {
  \jazzOn
  e8 d c b d c b a
  b a gis f gis f gis b
  a4
  \improvisationOn
  \override Stem.stencil = ##f
 b4 b4 b4
  b4 b4 b4 b4
  \revert Stem.stencil
  \improvisationOff
  \jazzOff
} % melody

\score {
  <<
{ \harmonies }
{ \globalMusic \melody }
  >>
} % score

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