Re: [OT] was "Re: Put text spanner below the staff?"
Thomas Morley writes: > You both, > > please, stop this. Please. > > This is a mailing-list about LilyPond coding, isn't? > Let's stick to coding problems, user-support and the like. Let's. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [OT] was "Re: Put text spanner below the staff?"
2016-03-06 18:23 GMT+01:00 David Kastrup : > Kieren MacMillan writes: > >> Hi David, >> >>> I prefer at least leaving a record when there is no reasonable hope >>> for improvement. >> >> If that’s the attitude with which you enter such a conversation, I >> fear there will be no benefit in contributing my own more optimistic >> efforts. > > Shrug. I entered "the conversation", namely the discussion thread, by > providing a fix after an example made it obvious that LilyPond was > deficient according to my expectations. You entered the conversation by > providing a chastisement after my fix made it obvious that I was > deficient according to your expectations. > > It would appear that the attitude with which I entered the conversation > improved the status quo and yours deteriorated it. > > It is easy to predict that this will happen in exactly the same manner > the next time you choose to enter a conversation for the sole purpose of > chastising me for not doing enough and/or being nice enough. > > So please look for other targets than me for improving people. Your > toolbox for that has been proven to be utterly insufficient. Stick to > fixing church clocks rather than pocket watches if your tools don't > scale. > > -- > David Kastrup You both, please, stop this. Please. This is a mailing-list about LilyPond coding, isn't? Let's stick to coding problems, user-support and the like. -Harm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [OT] was "Re: Put text spanner below the staff?"
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> I prefer at least leaving a record when there is no reasonable hope >> for improvement. > > If that’s the attitude with which you enter such a conversation, I > fear there will be no benefit in contributing my own more optimistic > efforts. Shrug. I entered "the conversation", namely the discussion thread, by providing a fix after an example made it obvious that LilyPond was deficient according to my expectations. You entered the conversation by providing a chastisement after my fix made it obvious that I was deficient according to your expectations. It would appear that the attitude with which I entered the conversation improved the status quo and yours deteriorated it. It is easy to predict that this will happen in exactly the same manner the next time you choose to enter a conversation for the sole purpose of chastising me for not doing enough and/or being nice enough. So please look for other targets than me for improving people. Your toolbox for that has been proven to be utterly insufficient. Stick to fixing church clocks rather than pocket watches if your tools don't scale. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
[OT] was "Re: Put text spanner below the staff?"
Hi David, > I prefer at least leaving a record when there is no reasonable hope for > improvement. If that’s the attitude with which you enter such a conversation, I fear there will be no benefit in contributing my own more optimistic efforts. Best, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Dear David, > > The content of your most recent message would perhaps be more > appropriate in a private email. > Feel free to continue corresponding with me off-list, if you feel it > would be of benefit. We've been through this in public and private often enough. I prefer at least leaving a record when there is no reasonable hope for improvement. That way people can form their own opinions. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Dear David, The content of your most recent message would perhaps be more appropriate in a private email. Feel free to continue corresponding with me off-list, if you feel it would be of benefit. Otherwise, I repeat both my public thanks for your [impending] fix for this bug, and my claim that I think it will be a useful feature. Best regards, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David (et al.), > >> Not that you posted _anything_ help- or useful in this thread > > Not everything always shows up on the list: I've had almost a dozen > emails off-line on this exact topic with the OP. Private conversations do not lead to bugs actually getting fixed or other list readers benefitting from them. However helpful you may prove in off-list communication, it does not entitle you to piss all over me in public for actually fixing the bug. I don't know how often we need to have this conversation. It isn't your responsibility to manage my communications or my work. I have been cursed with a lot of talents. I am _not_ responsible for doing everybody's work just because "it should be easy for me", and I am sick to death of the leeches who think they are entitled to have everything done for them by people who have the misfortune to be more gifted (where "more gifted" may just be the result of actually giving a damn) in some real or purely imaginary respect. I really don't need this "this snotty little bugger may know how to fix a bug but he needs me to show him his place" attitude in particular. This is a thankless enough job as it stands. I don't need lectures about how to graduate in Saint School since I have not enrolled in the first place. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Hi David (et al.), > Not that you posted _anything_ help- or useful in this thread Not everything always shows up on the list: I've had almost a dozen emails off-line on this exact topic with the OP. I certainly hope they were helpful to him. As for the rest of your comments, I’ll simply use my EULA default and say “I agree”. Regards, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
> Yes, that's about par for the course. You fix a bug and get three > lines of condescension for it and half a line of "thank you", and > I'm sure that you consider this completely appropriate. Uh, oh, that's unwarranted IMHO, but... > I am not going to waste all my time second-guessing people who are > too lazy to post anything but handwaving. That tends to end up in > 5 iterations of "yes, that works but it was not what I mean. Try > again". ... this I fully second. Being the maintainer of FreeType, I won't start debugging and fixing even a glaring bug if I don't get an appropriate example or an exact recipe that I can reproduce. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi all, > >> Now that I've been able to check > > You were unable [!?] to check it yourself without someone else giving > you a working example? > I find that hard to imagine… Your coding skills are excellent. I am not going to waste all my time second-guessing people who are too lazy to post anything but handwaving. That tends to end up in 5 iterations of "yes, that works but it was not what I mean. Try again". >> I've created a fix. > > Thanks. It will be a useful feature. Yes, that's about par for the course. You fix a bug and get three lines of condescension for it and half a line of "thank you", and I'm sure that you consider this completely appropriate. The ratio gets worse when there is nothing to fix to start with. And you wonder why one does no longer bother running after people who do not do their homework. Not that you posted _anything_ help- or useful in this thread, but I'm sure that you consider yourself the good guy for your contribution, and me the bad guy for mine. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Hi all, > Now that I've been able to check You were unable [!?] to check it yourself without someone else giving you a working example? I find that hard to imagine… Your coding skills are excellent. > I've created a fix. Thanks. It will be a useful feature. Regards, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Andrew Bernard writes: > Thank you very much David. > > Just confirming – this usage is not expected to work in versions below > 2.19.38? In my book, it is expected to work but it fails to meet expectations. Whether 2.19.38 will be better depends on whether the fix makes it in before 2.19.38 gets released. 2.19.39 should be a reasonably safe bet... -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Thank you very much David. Just confirming – this usage is not expected to work in versions below 2.19.38? Andrew On 6/03/2016, 20:52, "David Kastrup" wrote: I've created a fix. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Andrew Bernard writes:
> Hi David,
>
> The following use of ‘_’ to place the text spanner down has no
> effect. What is incorrect here? You are saying using ‘_’ and ‘^’
> affect text spanners, are you not?
>
> Andrew
>
> — snip
>
> \version "2.19.37"
>
> {
> \override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = "left"
> \override TextSpanner.bound-details.right.text = "right"
>
> c''4_\startTextSpan c'' c'' c''
> c''1 \stopTextSpan
> }
That example is almost correct, apart from the \version line. It needs
to be at least 2.19.38.
Assuming that this version will already contain the patch
Current branch: issue4785
Tracker issue: 4785 (https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/4785/)
Rietveld issue: 293730043 (https://codereview.appspot.com/293730043)
Issue description:
Let TextSpanner inherit any direction set in event Something like
c_\startTextSpan should create a TextSpanner below the system.
In other words: this should have worked but didn't. Without a testable
example in all of the thread, I was not going to bother with checking.
Now that I've been able to check, I've created a fix.
--
David Kastrup
___
lilypond-user mailing list
lilypond-user@gnu.org
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Hi David,
The following use of ‘_’ to place the text spanner down has no effect. What is
incorrect here? You are saying using ‘_’ and ‘^’ affect text spanners, are you
not?
Andrew
— snip
\version "2.19.37"
{
\override TextSpanner.bound-details.left.text = "left"
\override TextSpanner.bound-details.right.text = "right"
c''4_\startTextSpan c'' c'' c''
c''1 \stopTextSpan
}
— snip
On 5/03/2016, 21:16, "David Kastrup" wrote:
Andrew Bernard writes:
Hi Stan,
Good question. You can’t just use ‘_’ like for markup.
Why not?
--
David Kastrup
___
lilypond-user mailing list
lilypond-user@gnu.org
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Andrew Bernard gmail.com> writes: > \override TextSpanner.direction = #DOWN > > and > > \override TextSpanner.direction = #UP Thanks. Multiple ways of doing it. I need to dig into the internals/options for lily commands. I did try the "_" and "-" method of markup, but that didn't work. It seems like it would though. But I have my answer now. Thank you group. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Andrew Bernard writes: > Hi Stan, > > Good question. You can’t just use ‘_’ like for markup. Why not? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Hi Stan, There’s more than one way to do it! Andrew On 5/03/2016, 17:32, "Stan Mulder" wrote: I think I found it: \textSpannerDown ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
Hi Stan, Good question. You can’t just use ‘_’ like for markup. \override TextSpanner.direction = #DOWN and \override TextSpanner.direction = #UP Andrew On 5/03/2016, 17:19, "Stan Mulder" wrote: I am using a text spanner to designate an area to ritard, but the text is placed above the staff. How do I get it below the staff? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Put text spanner below the staff?
I think I found it: \textSpannerDown ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Put text spanner below the staff?
I am using a text spanner to designate an area to ritard, but the text is placed above the staff. How do I get it below the staff? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
