RE: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Paolo,

 

Thank you.

 

Mark

 

From: Paolo Prete  
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 1:08 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek ; lilypond-user 

Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

 

You'll find all you need at the main page:

 

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini

 

Cheers

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 10:04 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek mailto:carsonm...@ca.rr.com> > wrote:

Paolo,

 

Installation instructions?
Learning/notation manual?

I want to try it.

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org 
<mailto:ca.rr@gnu.org>  mailto:ca.rr@gnu.org> > On Behalf Of Paolo Prete
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:58 PM
To: Dirck Nagy mailto:dn...@uwlax.edu> >; lilypond-user 
mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org> >
Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

 

FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent changes 
(most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)

As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD 
should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.

I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it provides 
the same service that LilyBin previously offered.

Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor 
LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.

Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software, and I 
need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced to mark 
my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)

 

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete mailto:paolopr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy mailto:dn...@uwlax.edu> > wrote:

Hi all

 

Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance from 
Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the last 
person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.

 

I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me. 

 

FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:

 

*   Templates and wizards
*   Snippets
*   Point and Click selection
*   Syntax highlighting

 

If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a 
Lilypond editor?

 

 

Hi,

 

Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very different_ 
tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned (they are 
exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work), including code 
completion

I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but thanks 
to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.

I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.

Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore, any 
help is really appreciated...

 

 

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Paolo Prete]

You'll find all you need at the main page:

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini

Cheers

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 10:04 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek 
wrote:

> Paolo,
>
>
>
> Installation instructions?
> Learning/notation manual?
>
> I want to try it.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
>  *On Behalf Of *Paolo
> Prete
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:58 PM
> *To:* Dirck Nagy ; lilypond-user 
> *Subject:* Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?
>
>
>
> FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent
> changes (most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)
>
> As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD
> should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.
>
> I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it
> provides the same service that LilyBin previously offered.
>
> Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor
> LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.
>
> Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software,
> and I need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced
> to mark my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)
>
>
>
> https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
> last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
>
>
>
> I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me.
>
>
>
> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>
>
>
>- Templates and wizards
>- Snippets
>- Point and Click selection
>- Syntax highlighting
>
>
>
> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
> Lilypond editor?
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very
> different_ tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned
> (they are exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work),
> including code completion
>
> I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but
> thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.
>
> I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.
>
> Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore,
> any help is really appreciated...
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Paolo,

 

Installation instructions?
Learning/notation manual?

I want to try it.

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org 
 On Behalf Of Paolo Prete
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:58 PM
To: Dirck Nagy ; lilypond-user 
Subject: Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

 

FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent changes 
(most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)

As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD 
should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.

I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it provides 
the same service that LilyBin previously offered.

Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor 
LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.

Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software, and I 
need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced to mark 
my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)

 

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete mailto:paolopr...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy mailto:dn...@uwlax.edu> > wrote:

Hi all

 

Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance from 
Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the last 
person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.

 

I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me. 

 

FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:

 

*   Templates and wizards
*   Snippets
*   Point and Click selection
*   Syntax highlighting

 

If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a 
Lilypond editor?

 

 

Hi,

 

Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very different_ 
tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned (they are 
exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work), including code 
completion

I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but thanks 
to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.

I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.

Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore, any 
help is really appreciated...

 

 

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Paolo Prete]

FYI I just made a new release of Spontini editor, with the most recent
changes (most notably: support for recent Lilypond versions)
As mentioned before, I don't own a  MacOS, but the HUGE implemented CI/CD
should avoid bad surprises. When I say "huge", I mean it.
I always hope that someone decides to host the application, so that it
provides the same service that LilyBin previously offered.
Please note that you don't have to install anything. Nor the editor, nor
LilyPond, and you can switch between multiple LilyPond versions.
Anyway, I'm currently the only developer and maintainer of the software,
and I need collaboration (most notably for testing). Without it, I'm forced
to mark my releases as "alfa"  (but it should work...)

https://github.com/paopre/Spontini/releases/tag/1.23_alfa


On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 12:56 PM Paolo Prete  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
>> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
>> last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
>>
>>
>> I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to
>> me.
>>
>>
>> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>Templates and wizards
>>-
>>
>>Snippets
>>-
>>
>>Point and Click selection
>>-
>>
>>Syntax highlighting
>>
>>
>> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
>> Lilypond editor?
>>
>>
>>
> Hi,
>
> Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very
> different_ tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned
> (they are exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work),
> including code completion
> I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but
> thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.
> I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.
> Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore,
> any help is really appreciated...
>
>
>

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Aaron Hill]

On 2024-04-30 10:05 am, Karlin High wrote:

On 4/30/2024 10:25 AM, Jennifer Doering wrote:
What happened to the Frescobaldi dev? Just doesn't have time to 
maintain it anymore?


Link to past discussion:



His software development activity appears reduced after a health crisis 
in 2021.



Can relate to that.  Had open heart surgery myself last year and still 
recovering, in and out of hospital.  Wishing all the best to him and his 
family.



-- Aaron Hill

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Karlin High]

On 4/30/2024 10:25 AM, Jennifer Doering wrote:
What happened to the Frescobaldi dev? Just doesn't have time to maintain 
it anymore?


Link to past discussion:



His software development activity appears reduced after a health crisis 
in 2021.

--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Jennifer Doering]

What happened to the Frescobaldi dev? Just doesn't have time to maintain it
anymore?

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Hajo Baess]

Hi all,

There are various alternatives around at least for Linux users, but
there will certainly be different ones available for the Mac users as
well. And who knows: maybe Frescobaldi will survive after all. And if
it may stop working one day, it is good to know that at least you are
not completely left in the wild. 

I have checked out the following ones for Linux:
1. Spontini (not so known maybe, but definitely worth a try)
2. Kate/Okular as a "team" with one-way point-and-click from Okular to
Kate
3. Visual Studio Code with its LilyPond plugins/extensions

All three are not exactly like Frescobaldi, but can certainly amply be
adapted to individual needs into a good workspace.

And then, of course, there is also lilypond-book, which I personally
find a bit complicated - at least when you come from Frescobaldi.
Steeper learning curve, but not impossible if you are determined and
open to something new.

So: don't panic (do not forget the towel either) and let us keep using
Frescobaldi and enjoy as long as it will exist...

Am Dienstag, dem 30.04.2024 um 12:56 +0200 schrieb Paolo Prete:
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible
> > disappearance
> > from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you
> > were the
> > last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
> > 
> > 
> > I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important
> > to me.
> > 
> > 
> > FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    -
> > 
> >    Templates and wizards
> >    -
> > 
> >    Snippets
> >    -
> > 
> >    Point and Click selection
> >    -
> > 
> >    Syntax highlighting
> > 
> > 
> > If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives
> > for a
> > Lilypond editor?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> Hi,
> 
> Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very
> different_
> tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned (they
> are
> exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work), including
> code
> completion
> I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac,
> but
> thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.
> I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.
> Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it.
> Therefore, any
> help is really appreciated...

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Paolo Prete]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 6:45 AM Dirck Nagy  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
> last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
>
>
> I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me.
>
>
> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>
>
>
>-
>
>Templates and wizards
>-
>
>Snippets
>-
>
>Point and Click selection
>-
>
>Syntax highlighting
>
>
> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
> Lilypond editor?
>
>
>
Hi,

Although https://github.com/paopre/Spontini is focused on _very different_
tasks than Frescobaldi, it has the features you just mentioned (they are
exposed in a somewhat different way, but they should work), including code
completion
I could not extensively test it in the past months, nor I own a Mac, but
thanks to CI/CD it should work on newer versions.
I'm planning to make a new release in the next few weeks.
Also, at the moment there are no active contributors for it. Therefore, any
help is really appreciated...

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Robert Garrigos]

VS Code also provide point and click. Snippets and wizards are tipical features 
for any other programming language in VS Code. It should not be too difficult 
to write them for lilypond.

I understand that it can be difficult to find the developers and mantainers to 
keep Frescobaldi runnig, but not so difficult to implement such features in VS 
Code, I believe. That would be my case, for instamve, and provably other it 
could be the same fornother people: I develope with VS Code and participate in 
other communities and I might help on developing the lilypond plugins, but I 
don't have enough knowledge to develope Frescobaldi.

⁣Robert

On 30 d’abr. de 2024, 8:11, at 8:11, Jean Abou Samra  wrote:
>
>> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>>
>>  * Templates and wizards
>>  * Snippets
>>  * Point and Click selection
>>  * Syntax highlighting
>>
>> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives
>for a
>> Lilypond editor?
>
>Syntax highlighting should be doable in Emacs, VS Code or such. Point
>and click
>can be arranged with various PDF viewers (see the LilyPond Usage
>manual).
>The other two only exist in Frescobaldi AFAIK.
>
>> Also, how can I help? (I'm not a programmer at all...) 
>
>
>Thanks, but you cannot really help in a way meaningful for the current
>issues without programming knowledge.
>
>Also, for the record, Frescobaldi needs developers, but perhaps
>even more importantly, it needs maintainers, i.e., people who will
>not just work on a technical problem because they were told
>it's important, but also proactively and autonomously respond
>to GitHub issues and support questions, update the website,
>figure out what parts of the code need regular maintenance like
>lists of LilyPond commands and maintain them, monitor the
>frescobaldi package in major Linux distros, and so on.
>Unfortunately, it can be really hard to find maintainers (even for
>projects that the entire world infrastructure relies on, cf. xz…).
>
>Best,
>Jean

Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Jean Abou Samra]

> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
> 
>  * Templates and wizards
>  * Snippets
>  * Point and Click selection
>  * Syntax highlighting
> 
> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
> Lilypond editor?

Syntax highlighting should be doable in Emacs, VS Code or such. Point and click
can be arranged with various PDF viewers (see the LilyPond Usage manual).
The other two only exist in Frescobaldi AFAIK.

> Also, how can I help? (I'm not a programmer at all...) 


Thanks, but you cannot really help in a way meaningful for the current
issues without programming knowledge.

Also, for the record, Frescobaldi needs developers, but perhaps
even more importantly, it needs maintainers, i.e., people who will
not just work on a technical problem because they were told
it's important, but also proactively and autonomously respond
to GitHub issues and support questions, update the website,
figure out what parts of the code need regular maintenance like
lists of LilyPond commands and maintain them, monitor the
frescobaldi package in major Linux distros, and so on.
Unfortunately, it can be really hard to find maintainers (even for
projects that the entire world infrastructure relies on, cf. xz…).

Best,
Jean



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Re: Fw: Frescobaldi ... panic alternatives?

[Ben Bradshaw]

With not too much work, you could get emacs to do all of that I think. But
my guess is that there's no reason to panic yet. I don't see frescobaldi
magically disappearing.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 10:45 PM Dirck Nagy  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Reading that last thread about Frescobaldi and its possible disappearance
> from Mac is causing me to panic. Jean, I did not realize that you were the
> last person to seriously work on Frescobaldi / Mac.
>
>
> I use Mac exclusively, and Frescobaldi / Lilypond is very important to me.
>
>
> FYI, what I like the most about Frescobaldi are:
>
>
>
>-
>
>Templates and wizards
>-
>
>Snippets
>-
>
>Point and Click selection
>-
>
>Syntax highlighting
>
>
> If Frescobaldi for Mac does indeed vanish, what are my alternatives for a
> Lilypond editor?
>
>
> Also, how can I help? (I'm not a programmer at all...)
>
>
> Peace! and thank you for all your work!
>
>
> Dirck
>