Re: songbooks with guitar tablature
2007/8/23, Jack Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: While OpenOffice isn't technically a freeware version of Microsoft Office, I don't know how else to describe it to folks who have never heard of it or used it. And since I wrote these intro notes, I am more inclined to use GIMP for image editing and Scribus for general layout. The general point I was hoping to convey to someone is that it doesn't require hundreds of dollars investment in software to produce professional looking songbooks, thanks to lilypond. Absolutely! As for the way you describe OpenOffice, maybe using equivalent instead of version would be more convenient and just as self-explanatory. But it's just one word :) I have a specfic market I am trying to interest in having songbooks created, and I will have a better idea over the next couple of months the level of interest within that market. When you do, feel free to keep the community informed: it's always extremely interesting when open-source projects manage to reach the commercial market. Making the source files files available is a very good idea but it provides a bit of a conundrum. Here's an example using a project I am currently involved with creating a collection of notated traditional fiddle songs. The person who I am doing the notation for has decided, after I've gotten halfway throught the set of tunes, that compensation for my time is too expensive and if I could just spend an hour teaching how to use the package, he could learn to do it himself. Fair enough. You can very well, in the future, wait until the job is done (and until you get paid) to release the source code. This is what I would probably do. Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience with us. Regards, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: songbooks with guitar tablature
Roy Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi -- I intend to produce songbooks of my songs in piano/vocal format with occasional lines of guitar tablature. Is Lilypond capable of doing that? Thank you, Roy Hi, Roy. I just finished completing a songbook of my recent CD using lilypond. I including the vocal melody with chord changes and fret diagrams and also used tablature to display fingerpicking parts and occasional guitar licks. The latest version of lilypond (2.11.xx) now supports harmonics and slides for tabluature. If you look in the back of a Hal Leonard or Mel Bay book, you will see a legend of the types of notation used within guitar tablature. Lilypond support some, but not all of these features. You have to decide how important it is to include some of these advanced featues in your notation. It is possible to fake some of these in lilypond. As far as occasional tablature, there are two possibilities here. One is to include, in your lilypond score, a tablature staff that will contain occasional bars of information with lots of empty bars. You can hide blank tabluature staves within lilypond so that only the staves containing information are displayed. If you do a search in the lilypond archives for hiding empty staves, you will find the solution. Another possibility, if you wish to have a snippet of a guitar intro or lick independent of the score, is to use lilypond-book or some other layout management software to integrate different lilypond snippets into a book layout. If you wish to take a look at my songbook, go to www.jack-cooper.com/songbook and enter guest and guest as the userid and password. The songbook file is called lop_songbook.pdf. Cheers, Jack ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: songbooks with guitar tablature
2007/8/23, Jack Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you wish to take a look at my songbook, go to www.jack-cooper.com/songbook and enter guest and guest as the userid and password. The songbook file is called lop_songbook.pdf. Hi Jack, I took the liberty to download and look at your songbook, and just wanted to share a few questions that occured to me while reading it: -first of all, many kudos for your work; you wanted something that looked professionnal and it does indeed. I particularly like the font you use (though maybe the capital S is a bit too condensed): what' its name? is it free? -you seem to mix up free and non-free software in your introduction, which can be okay as long as you specify the difference: LilyPond is indeed open-source, but Adobe isn't (however there are opensource alternatives, maybe worth to mention), and OpenOffice is hardly a freeware version of Microsoft Office... This is a detail, but this kind of details makes such projects as LilyPond particularly valuable, in my opinion. -you're right to mention the lilypond.org website in your introduction, but the footer (or copyright) field you use in the scores mentions lilypond.com, which belongs to Campbell Industrial Supplies. I've nothing wrong with giving them some PR help, but maybe this wasn't on purpose :) -the engraving looks definitely great -- no wonder: simply genuine LilyPond :) -- just one little detail though: when you have to enter empty measures, maybe you'd better use R1 instead of r1, so you can have nice centered rests (yours are always left-aligned). Similarly, if you enter your chords diagrams as a separate voice, you don't have to split rests, like in the first line of Put It Right. I see that you aim to make the rhythm of the chord changes as clear as possible, but I've never seen it affect the rests in the vocal line. -I think developing LilyPond-made songbooks is definitely a great idea, and I hope many people will eventually be interested in supporting your project. You do not mention, as far as I can see, the source files of the scores you typeset: maybe it would be cool to mention their existence, and possibly their licensing, if you plan to let them available online, or send them upon request, etc. Really a nice project. It's a pity you don't do contemporary orchestral music, I definitely could use a copyist :) Best Regards, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: songbooks with guitar tablature
Valentin Villenave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jack, I took the liberty to download and look at your songbook, and just wanted to share a few questions that occured to me while reading it: Hi, Valentin. Thanks for your feedback- I would mind responsing to your questions point by point. -first of all, many kudos for your work; you wanted something that looked professionnal and it does indeed. I particularly like the font you use (though maybe the capital S is a bit too condensed): what' its name? is it free? The specific font I chose for this instance is called Maiandra GD, which came free with my installation of XP. I liked the way it looked in this case, but there are tons of OTF fonts available from Adobe that can be ordered individually- they are not free. -you seem to mix up free and non-free software in your introduction, which can be okay as long as you specify the difference: LilyPond is indeed open-source, but Adobe isn't (however there are opensource alternatives, maybe worth to mention), and OpenOffice is hardly a freeware version of Microsoft Office... This is a detail, but this kind of details makes such projects as LilyPond particularly valuable, in my opinion. I think in my pre-edited intro notes, I made the distinction that Adobe Standard was an additional commerical package I purchased for pdf management. I think I shot myself in the foot in the editing process :-) While OpenOffice isn't technically a freeware version of Microsoft Office, I don't know how else to describe it to folks who have never heard of it or used it. And since I wrote these intro notes, I am more inclined to use GIMP for image editing and Scribus for general layout. The general point I was hoping to convey to someone is that it doesn't require hundreds of dollars investment in software to produce professional looking songbooks, thanks to lilypond. -you're right to mention the lilypond.org website in your introduction, but the footer (or copyright) field you use in the scores mentions lilypond.com, which belongs to Campbell Industrial Supplies. I've nothing wrong with giving them some PR help, but maybe this wasn't on purpose :) Arggh! While it is too late for me to correct printed versions I have made, I will correct the online version. My apoligies to all in the lilypond community for this brain-addled error. -the engraving looks definitely great -- no wonder: simply genuine LilyPond :) -- just one little detail though: when you have to enter empty measures, maybe you'd better use R1 instead of r1, so you can have nice centered rests (yours are always left-aligned). Similarly, if you enter your chords diagrams as a separate voice, you don't have to split rests, like in the first line of Put It Right. I see that you aim to make the rhythm of the chord changes as clear as possible, but I've never seen it affect the rests in the vocal line. Thanks for the tips. It honestly never occurred to me to create a separate voice for the chord changes. I will start experimenting. -I think developing LilyPond-made songbooks is definitely a great idea, and I hope many people will eventually be interested in supporting your project. You do not mention, as far as I can see, the source files of the scores you typeset: maybe it would be cool to mention their existence, and possibly their licensing, if you plan to let them available online, or send them upon request, etc. I have a specfic market I am trying to interest in having songbooks created, and I will have a better idea over the next couple of months the level of interest within that market. Making the source files files available is a very good idea but it provides a bit of a conundrum. Here's an example using a project I am currently involved with creating a collection of notated traditional fiddle songs. The person who I am doing the notation for has decided, after I've gotten halfway throught the set of tunes, that compensation for my time is too expensive and if I could just spend an hour teaching how to use the package, he could learn to do it himself. Fair enough. But I think it is fair to say that while lilypond can be learned fairly quickly for simple notation tasks, the mastery of the dozens of tips and tricks found in the mailing list archives can not be internalized overnight. Many of these tricks inform the templates the I initially setup to do the transcribing. I have no qualms about sharing these templates within the lilypond community, but feel differently about it for this specific example. Anyway, it raises a number of interesting points. Really a nice project. It's a pity you don't do contemporary orchestral music, I definitely could use a copyist :) Best Regards, Valentin Cheers, Jack ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: songbooks with guitar tablature
2007/8/23, Jack Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you wish to take a look at my songbook, go to www.jack-cooper.com/songbook and enter guest and guest as the userid and password. The songbook file is called lop_songbook.pdf. Great. But lilypond.com is a mixing tanks company, please change the URL in the book to lilypond.org ! -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://www.paconet.org ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: songbooks with guitar tablature
Hi Roy! Yes, Lilypond supports tab. In the version I use (2.6.5) the guitar tab is a little limited compared to what you sometimes see for wild rock guitar solo's, but it should be effective for things that don't need advanced guitar technique. I'm not sure if the newer versions have added any more tab functions. As you mention occasional lines of guitar tab, you should be able to do it. To: lilypond-user@gnu.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: songbooks with guitar tablature Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:35:34 + Hi -- I intend to produce songbooks of my songs in piano/vocal format with occasional lines of guitar tablature. Is Lilypond capable of doing that? Thank you, Roy ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
