Re: [LilyKDE] Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
Op dinsdag 24 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
\new Staff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic bass"
} { *\clef "bass_8"* \bass }
\new TabStaff \with {
stringTunings = #bass-tuning
} \bass
If this is the most used way, ( \clef "bass_8" for Acoustic or Electric Bass),
I could add that to Frescobaldi's default template. Is this the most used
notation for such parts?
I didn't find another good way to do it till now, so I suppose the
answer is yes. And so yes please add it to the default template.
Thanks in advance,
\r
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Re: [LilyKDE] Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
David Stocker wrote: Editorially, I prefer the treble_8 clef as well, but I think it's safe to say that most readers (to the extent they notice at all) are more accustomed to seeing the regular "treble" and "bass" clefs, as opposed to "treble_8" or "bass_8." Dave Jonathan Kulp wrote: David Stocker wrote: By convention, double-bass and electric bass are notated using a standard bass clef with the understanding that the notes sound one octave lower than they appear on the staff. Guitar is the same way, but it is becoming more common to to use a modern tenor clef (i.e. "treble_8") now than in the past. I'm not sure whether the same is true for bass. Perhaps there is a bass meister on the list who knows better than I? Generally, either is considered acceptable and which one you use is a matter of editorial preference. For completeness, it would probably be a good idea if there were an easy way to do either. For coding guitar music in Lilypond I always use the "treble_8" for three reasons: 1) most correct editorially; 2) midi output sounds at correct octave; 3) translates to correct fret/string when using the same note-input variable for a TabStaff. From a guitarist's perspective, looking at the final output, there's really no difference between using treble and treble_8. I would say the same thing for the bass guitar or for string bass except that to my eye the 8 below the bass clef in Lilypond's rendering looks funny. It's completely detached from the clef instead of hanging onto it. Looking in Gardner Read (2nd ed., page 56) I see that his example of the same clef shows an 8 that's detached as well, but it's much closer to the tail of the clef than the 8 in Lilypond's bass_8 clef. In fact his whole bass clef looks bigger than Lilypond's, something that's not so noticeable to me until there's an 8 dangling far from the tail of the clef. :) Jon If I'm right, with the normal bass clef, tablature and notation are not as it supposed to be (notation is displayed one octave to low). With the bass_8 clef it is. So for bass the template should have a bass_8 clef right? Because that clef doesn't looks very good, I think David can add it to the tablature things which should be improved. For guitar treble_8 would be a good default, but maybe it is nice to also be able to choose the normal clef in the template/ new score wizard. \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [LilyKDE] Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Editorially, I prefer the treble_8 clef as well, but I think it's safe to say that most readers (to the extent they notice at all) are more accustomed to seeing the regular "treble" and "bass" clefs, as opposed to "treble_8" or "bass_8." Dave Jonathan Kulp wrote: David Stocker wrote: By convention, double-bass and electric bass are notated using a standard bass clef with the understanding that the notes sound one octave lower than they appear on the staff. Guitar is the same way, but it is becoming more common to to use a modern tenor clef (i.e. "treble_8") now than in the past. I'm not sure whether the same is true for bass. Perhaps there is a bass meister on the list who knows better than I? Generally, either is considered acceptable and which one you use is a matter of editorial preference. For completeness, it would probably be a good idea if there were an easy way to do either. For coding guitar music in Lilypond I always use the "treble_8" for three reasons: 1) most correct editorially; 2) midi output sounds at correct octave; 3) translates to correct fret/string when using the same note-input variable for a TabStaff. From a guitarist's perspective, looking at the final output, there's really no difference between using treble and treble_8. I would say the same thing for the bass guitar or for string bass except that to my eye the 8 below the bass clef in Lilypond's rendering looks funny. It's completely detached from the clef instead of hanging onto it. Looking in Gardner Read (2nd ed., page 56) I see that his example of the same clef shows an 8 that's detached as well, but it's much closer to the tail of the clef than the 8 in Lilypond's bass_8 clef. In fact his whole bass clef looks bigger than Lilypond's, something that's not so noticeable to me until there's an 8 dangling far from the tail of the clef. :) Jon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [LilyKDE] Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
David Stocker wrote: By convention, double-bass and electric bass are notated using a standard bass clef with the understanding that the notes sound one octave lower than they appear on the staff. Guitar is the same way, but it is becoming more common to to use a modern tenor clef (i.e. "treble_8") now than in the past. I'm not sure whether the same is true for bass. Perhaps there is a bass meister on the list who knows better than I? Generally, either is considered acceptable and which one you use is a matter of editorial preference. For completeness, it would probably be a good idea if there were an easy way to do either. For coding guitar music in Lilypond I always use the "treble_8" for three reasons: 1) most correct editorially; 2) midi output sounds at correct octave; 3) translates to correct fret/string when using the same note-input variable for a TabStaff. From a guitarist's perspective, looking at the final output, there's really no difference between using treble and treble_8. I would say the same thing for the bass guitar or for string bass except that to my eye the 8 below the bass clef in Lilypond's rendering looks funny. It's completely detached from the clef instead of hanging onto it. Looking in Gardner Read (2nd ed., page 56) I see that his example of the same clef shows an 8 that's detached as well, but it's much closer to the tail of the clef than the 8 in Lilypond's bass_8 clef. In fact his whole bass clef looks bigger than Lilypond's, something that's not so noticeable to me until there's an 8 dangling far from the tail of the clef. :) Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [LilyKDE] Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
By convention, double-bass and electric bass are notated using a
standard bass clef with the understanding that the notes sound one
octave lower than they appear on the staff. Guitar is the same way, but
it is becoming more common to to use a modern tenor clef (i.e.
"treble_8") now than in the past. I'm not sure whether the same is true
for bass. Perhaps there is a bass meister on the list who knows better
than I?
Generally, either is considered acceptable and which one you use is a
matter of editorial preference. For completeness, it would probably be a
good idea if there were an easy way to do either.
Dave
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
Op dinsdag 24 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
\new Staff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic bass"
} { *\clef "bass_8"* \bass }
\new TabStaff \with {
stringTunings = #bass-tuning
} \bass
If this is the most used way, ( \clef "bass_8" for Acoustic or
Electric Bass), I could add that to Frescobaldi's default template.
Is this the most used notation for such parts?
I'm not 100% sure. David do you know this?
\r
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Re: [LilyKDE] Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
Op dinsdag 24 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
\new Staff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic bass"
} { *\clef "bass_8"* \bass }
\new TabStaff \with {
stringTunings = #bass-tuning
} \bass
If this is the most used way, ( \clef "bass_8" for Acoustic or Electric Bass),
I could add that to Frescobaldi's default template. Is this the most used
notation for such parts?
I'm not 100% sure. David do you know this?
\r
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Re: [LilyKDE] Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Op dinsdag 24 februari 2009, schreef Grammostola Rosea:
> \new Staff \with {
> midiInstrument = "acoustic bass"
> } { *\clef "bass_8"* \bass }
> \new TabStaff \with {
> stringTunings = #bass-tuning
> } \bass
If this is the most used way, ( \clef "bass_8" for Acoustic or Electric Bass),
I could add that to Frescobaldi's default template. Is this the most used
notation for such parts?
best regards,
Wilbert Berendsen
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Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Andrew Wilson wrote:
2009/2/19 Grammostola Rosea :
About the bass-tuning. When I do
c,4\3
The fret position and the high of the C wasn't what I suspected and which
should be the default imho.
when I do
c4\3
The note is ok, but the fret position not...
Do you realise that Bass guitar is a transposing instrument that is written one
octave above where it sounds? Are you taking this into acount when you
say the note is in the wrong octave?
I think this is better, right?
<<
\new Staff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic bass"
} { *\clef "bass_8"* \bass }
\new TabStaff \with {
stringTunings = #bass-tuning
} \bass
Looking forward for feedback.
\r
global = {
\key c \major
\time 4/4
}
bass = \relative c, {
\global
% Muziek volgt hier.
c\3
}
\score {
\new StaffGroup \with {
% \consists "Instrument_name_engraver"
% instrumentName = "Bass"
} <<
\new Staff \with {
midiInstrument = "acoustic bass"
} { \clef "bass_8" \bass }
\new TabStaff \with {
stringTunings = #bass-tuning
} \bass
>>
\layout { }
\midi {
\context {
\Score
tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 100 4)
}
}
}
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Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Andrew Wilson wrote: 2009/2/19 Grammostola Rosea : About the bass-tuning. When I do c,4\3 The fret position and the high of the C wasn't what I suspected and which should be the default imho. when I do c4\3 The note is ok, but the fret position not... Do you realise that Bass guitar is a transposing instrument that is written one octave above where it sounds? Are you taking this into acount when you say the note is in the wrong octave? Yes, and I believe that's the problem here... In bass-tuning the note is displayed correctly, but i should be transposed one octave higher (as you point out Andrew), and that isn't the case here. I dunno if that was the idea of Wilbert. I think when you choose the standard tuning, the notes and fretposition are ok, but then you have 6 strings, instead of four ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Grammostola Rosea wrote: Grammostola Rosea wrote: Wilbert Berendsen wrote: Hi all, op woensdag 18 februari 2009, schreef David: Standard Electric basses have four strings, so that would probably be useful to most people using a Bass/Tab template. That being said--5, 6, 7 and more strings are becoming more and more common all the time. Currently Frescobaldi's Bass and Electric Bass template inherit the basic TablaturePart features also found in the other tablature instruments, When tablature (TabStaff) is chosen, it presents the tuning option Bass Tuning (stringTunings = #bass-tuning). If you choose bass tuning, the TabStaff template has four strings. Is that good, or should I add support for other options/tuning? I think four strings is good, but maybe it would be nice to have a possibility to choose also five strings if you got an five string bass... (I didn't know there are six string basses too, until David told it...) About the bass-tuning. When I do c,4\3 The fret position and the high of the C wasn't what I suspected and which should be the default imho. I mean the fret position is right, the C note not... (one octave to low I think) when I do c4\3 The note is ok, but the fret position not... Regards, \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Grammostola Rosea wrote: Wilbert Berendsen wrote: Hi all, op woensdag 18 februari 2009, schreef David: Standard Electric basses have four strings, so that would probably be useful to most people using a Bass/Tab template. That being said--5, 6, 7 and more strings are becoming more and more common all the time. Currently Frescobaldi's Bass and Electric Bass template inherit the basic TablaturePart features also found in the other tablature instruments, When tablature (TabStaff) is chosen, it presents the tuning option Bass Tuning (stringTunings = #bass-tuning). If you choose bass tuning, the TabStaff template has four strings. Is that good, or should I add support for other options/tuning? I think four strings is good, but maybe it would be nice to have a possibility to choose also five strings if you got an five string bass... (I didn't know there are six string basses too, until David told it...) About the bass-tuning. When I do c,4\3 The fret position and the high of the C wasn't what I suspected and which should be the default imho. when I do c4\3 The note is ok, but the fret position not... Regards, \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [Frescobaldi] Bass and Electric Bass template, tab tunings support
Wilbert Berendsen wrote: Hi all, op woensdag 18 februari 2009, schreef David: Standard Electric basses have four strings, so that would probably be useful to most people using a Bass/Tab template. That being said--5, 6, 7 and more strings are becoming more and more common all the time. Currently Frescobaldi's Bass and Electric Bass template inherit the basic TablaturePart features also found in the other tablature instruments, When tablature (TabStaff) is chosen, it presents the tuning option Bass Tuning (stringTunings = #bass-tuning). If you choose bass tuning, the TabStaff template has four strings. Is that good, or should I add support for other options/tuning? I think four strings is good, but maybe it would be nice to have a possibility to choose also five strings if you got an five string bass... (I didn't know there are six string basses too, until David told it...) I like to provide UI options for the predefined LilyPond tunings (that are in the docs) and I'm a bit reluctant to add custom tunings, but of course it would be possible to even create a small Custom Tuning Wizard inside the score wizard. Please let me know if that would be an important feature for any of you, or if you have any other wishes/bug report regarding Frescobaldi in general (or use the bug tracker[1]) or it's tablature instrument support in particular. [1] http://code.google.com/p/lilykde/issues/list with many regards, Wilbert Berendsen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
