Re: Another tricky music situation. This time: Repeat Nightmare with alternative endings.

2012-04-05 Thread James
Hello,

On 5 April 2012 15:20, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:
 Hello list,

 Maybe you have an opinion about this musical situation, described here:
 http://www.nilsgey.de/2012/04/05/nightmare-repeats/

 In my eyes it should be forbidden. The real cause it that alternative
 endings use the same glyph as boundary as repeats: the repeat close
 barline. Better would be a glyph that is explicitely and only for the
 first/second ending bracket, but well.. we don't got that over the
 last few hundred years.

better would be to write out in full, it's not like we need to worry
about the cost of parchment is it ;)

Why muck about like this in the first place?

James

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Re: Another tricky music situation. This time: Repeat Nightmare with alternative endings.

2012-04-05 Thread Nils
Am Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:31:48 +0100
schrieb James pkx1...@gmail.com:

 Hello,
 
 On 5 April 2012 15:20, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:
  Hello list,
 
  Maybe you have an opinion about this musical situation, described
  here: http://www.nilsgey.de/2012/04/05/nightmare-repeats/
 
  In my eyes it should be forbidden. The real cause it that
  alternative endings use the same glyph as boundary as repeats: the
  repeat close barline. Better would be a glyph that is explicitely
  and only for the first/second ending bracket, but well.. we don't
  got that over the last few hundred years.
 
 better would be to write out in full, it's not like we need to worry
 about the cost of parchment is it ;)
 
 Why muck about like this in the first place?
 
 James
 

I is somehow my (future) Job as music theorist to think about these
problems. At least I want to think about it.

Writing your music down in a correct way helps the intpreter to play
better and the composer to think better.

There are many strange and inconsequent things in music notation. If
you know them you can avoid them and make your music or score clearer.
This is where Lilypond comes in because I use it to create scores :)

Nils

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Re: Another tricky music situation. This time: Repeat Nightmare with alternative endings.

2012-04-05 Thread James
Hello,

On 5 April 2012 15:42, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:
 Am Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:31:48 +0100
 schrieb James pkx1...@gmail.com:

 Hello,

 On 5 April 2012 15:20, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote:
  Hello list,
 
  Maybe you have an opinion about this musical situation, described
  here: http://www.nilsgey.de/2012/04/05/nightmare-repeats/
 
  In my eyes it should be forbidden. The real cause it that
  alternative endings use the same glyph as boundary as repeats: the
  repeat close barline. Better would be a glyph that is explicitely
  and only for the first/second ending bracket, but well.. we don't
  got that over the last few hundred years.

 better would be to write out in full, it's not like we need to worry
 about the cost of parchment is it ;)

 Why muck about like this in the first place?

 James


 I is somehow my (future) Job as music theorist to think about these
 problems. At least I want to think about it.

 Writing your music down in a correct way helps the intpreter to play
 better and the composer to think better.

 There are many strange and inconsequent things in music notation. If
 you know them you can avoid them and make your music or score clearer.
 This is where Lilypond comes in because I use it to create scores :)

Isn't this just the old adage, 'Just because we can, doesn't mean we
should'. I cannot think what problem this is solving. or how it is
adding to the music in any way at all.

Otherwise you simply add a note saying to go back to repeat X instead of Y.

I think your example is far too short to get the point across.

Maybe there could be some piece where you start at A got Z repeat back
to B got to Y repeat back to C and so on, in ever decreasing
'circles', that may be something a 'modern' composer might do. Or even
me come to think of it. :)

But then you'd just label your repeat bars.

regards

James

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