Re: CMYK colours

2017-03-10 Thread David Kastrup
u...@openlilylib.org writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I just came across the issue of printing coloured scores and wondered
> if it's possible to use CMYK colours in LilyPond. From what the NR
> says this seems impossible but I wanted to ask anyway.
>
> If it is *not* possible, what would be - theoretically - the
> complexity of adding support for that?
> It might be rather straightforward to provide a conversion function in
> Scheme (ignoring the issue of colour profiles), but I'm talking of
> native support.

LilyPond does not actually track colors in any manner if I remember
correctly.  It just passes them through.  So take a look at how RGB
support is done, and CMYK support should be straightforward to add.
Instead of adding new user-level commands, you could just permit the
color commands to accept lists with 4 members as well as three and then
just let the backends emit different commands.

That's minimally invasive but would not allow us to use RGBA in a
similar manner.  But maybe partial transparency is better dealt with
using separate primitives anyway.

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David Kastrup

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Re: CMYK colours

2017-03-10 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Urs,

Not directly the answer to your question, but. Adobe Acrobat DC allows one
to convert the colour model in a PDF to  large set of choices, including
CMYK. Therefore it is possible to post process lilypond colour output to
CMYK. Granted, not an open source solution, but the pre-press technology is
certainly readily available.

Do you really want CMYK colours or is it that you want spot colours in your
output?

Most professional print shops will do RGB to CMYK conversion nowadays as
required for their particular print devices. What is the reason for wanting
to specify CMYK rather than RGB in the lilypond source?

Andrew


On 11 March 2017 at 09:19,  wrote:

>
> I just came across the issue of printing coloured scores and wondered if
> it's possible to use CMYK colours in LilyPond. From what the NR says this
> seems impossible but I wanted to ask anyway.
>
>
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Re: CMYK colours

2017-03-11 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2017-03-11 um 01:07 schrieb Andrew Bernard :

> Not directly the answer to your question, but. Adobe Acrobat DC allows one to 
> convert the colour model in a PDF to  large set of choices, including CMYK. 
> Therefore it is possible to post process lilypond colour output to CMYK. 
> Granted, not an open source solution, but the pre-press technology is 
> certainly readily available.

While that works quite well, it’s not as reliable as defining (device 
dependent) CMYK colors. You would need to define your RGB and CMYK color spaces 
(profiles), knowing what you do.

> Do you really want CMYK colours or is it that you want spot colours in your 
> output?

That would be the next step, of course ;)

> Most professional print shops will do RGB to CMYK conversion nowadays as 
> required for their particular print devices. What is the reason for wanting 
> to specify CMYK rather than RGB in the lilypond source?

E.g. that you can be sure to get some tones exactly right. (Relying on the 
default color spaces of European or US printshops – Euroscale vs. SWOP...)
Even if it’s not about matching some company color, with small details like 
notation you might want to make sure to get e.g. exactly 50% tones or only two 
process colors etc.


Greetlings, Hraban
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