Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
Valentin Petzel writes: > Am Sonntag, 9. Juli 2023, 09:42:52 CEST schrieb David Kastrup: >> The latter is definitely the _natural_ way to enter this construct >> (single voice simultaneity) but I do seem to remember that LilyPond did >> not deal well with it? > > The thing is that if we combine Simultaneous Music with implicit context > creation Lilypond will create a context for each simultaneous music > expression. So doing No, there were also typesetting problems, like head attachments/dimensions for differently shaped heads, and consistent duration (and beaming) depending on head order. I don't remember the details but do remember that this did not generally work reliably. -- David Kastrup
Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
Am Sonntag, 9. Juli 2023, 09:42:52 CEST schrieb David Kastrup:
> The latter is definitely the _natural_ way to enter this construct
> (single voice simultaneity) but I do seem to remember that LilyPond did
> not deal well with it?
The thing is that if we combine Simultaneous Music with implicit context
creation Lilypond will create a context for each simultaneous music
expression. So doing
<< c' e' g' >>
will create three staves, doing
\new Staff << c' e' g' >>
will create three voices, but
\new Voice << c' e' g' >>
will work. This is not necessary if the context already exists:
{ << c' e' g' >> c' } % Voice/Staff does not exist → creates separate contexts
{ c' << c' e' g' >> } % Voice/Staff do already exist → single context
Cheers,
Valentin
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Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
Thank you, Valentin and David.
I was not aware that << >> construct can be used this way.
> I do seem to remember that LilyPond did
> not deal well with it?
“1.5.1 Single voice — Simultaneous expressions” of NR says:
This can be useful if the simultaneous sections have identical rhythms, but
attempts to attach notes with different durations to the same stem will cause
errors.
I think that the code
\new Voice << g4 e' e''2^. >>
is attaching notes with different durations to the same stem but I do not see
any error message.
Jun
> 2023/07/09 16:42、David Kastrup のメール:
>
> Valentin Petzel mailto:valen...@petzel.at>> writes:
>
>> Hello Pierre,
>>
>> I think this should rather be
>>
>> { <\tweak duration-log #2 g \tweak duration-log #2 e' e''>2^. }
>>
>> Alternatively one can simply do
>>
>> \new Voice << g4 e' e''2^. >>
>>
>> (the \new Voice is necessary as there has been no music before this, so
>> there
>> does not exist a voice, and Lilypond will then create one Voice for each
>> parallel music).
>
> The latter is definitely the _natural_ way to enter this construct
> (single voice simultaneity) but I do seem to remember that LilyPond did
> not deal well with it?
>
> --
> David Kastrup
Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
Thank you Valentin
Le dim. 9 juil. 2023 à 09:26, Valentin Petzel a écrit :
> Hello Pierre,
>
> I think this should rather be
>
> { <\tweak duration-log #2 g \tweak duration-log #2 e' e''>2^. }
>
> Alternatively one can simply do
>
> \new Voice << g4 e' e''2^. >>
>
> (the \new Voice is necessary as there has been no music before this, so
> there
> does not exist a voice, and Lilypond will then create one Voice for each
> parallel music).
>
> Cheers,
> Valentin
>
> Am Sonntag, 9. Juli 2023, 07:07:53 CEST schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider:
> > Hi Jun,
> > I'd do:
> >
> > { ^. }
> >
> > For some reason I couldn't find the dedicated documentation.
> > Cheers,
> > Pierre
> >
> > Le dim. 9 juil. 2023 à 06:54, Jun Tamura a écrit :
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > Is there a recommended practice to engrave a triple-stop for the
> violin as
> > > in the attached example - notes with different durations in a single
> > > triple-stop? The example is from the 1st violin part, bar 24, 1st
> > > movement,
> > > piano concerto no. 3 by Beethoven. This quite often appears in music
> for
> > > string instruments. I’ve looked through LSR but cannot find a good
> > > example.
> > > Your kind advice is appreciated.
> > >
> > > Jun
>
>
Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
Valentin Petzel writes:
> Hello Pierre,
>
> I think this should rather be
>
> { <\tweak duration-log #2 g \tweak duration-log #2 e' e''>2^. }
>
> Alternatively one can simply do
>
> \new Voice << g4 e' e''2^. >>
>
> (the \new Voice is necessary as there has been no music before this, so there
> does not exist a voice, and Lilypond will then create one Voice for each
> parallel music).
The latter is definitely the _natural_ way to enter this construct
(single voice simultaneity) but I do seem to remember that LilyPond did
not deal well with it?
--
David Kastrup
Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
Hello Pierre,
I think this should rather be
{ <\tweak duration-log #2 g \tweak duration-log #2 e' e''>2^. }
Alternatively one can simply do
\new Voice << g4 e' e''2^. >>
(the \new Voice is necessary as there has been no music before this, so there
does not exist a voice, and Lilypond will then create one Voice for each
parallel music).
Cheers,
Valentin
Am Sonntag, 9. Juli 2023, 07:07:53 CEST schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider:
> Hi Jun,
> I'd do:
>
> { ^. }
>
> For some reason I couldn't find the dedicated documentation.
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> Le dim. 9 juil. 2023 à 06:54, Jun Tamura a écrit :
> > Hello!
> >
> > Is there a recommended practice to engrave a triple-stop for the violin as
> > in the attached example - notes with different durations in a single
> > triple-stop? The example is from the 1st violin part, bar 24, 1st
> > movement,
> > piano concerto no. 3 by Beethoven. This quite often appears in music for
> > string instruments. I’ve looked through LSR but cannot find a good
> > example.
> > Your kind advice is appreciated.
> >
> > Jun
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Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
Thank you, Pierre!
I’ve realized that an example is in "5.3.4 The \tweak command” in NR by
searching “duration-log”.
Thanks again.
> 2023/07/09 14:11、Pierre Perol-Schneider
> のメール:
>
> PS. Added to the LSR: https://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1170
>
> Le dim. 9 juil. 2023 à 07:07, Pierre Perol-Schneider
> mailto:pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com>>
> a écrit :
>> Hi Jun,
>> I'd do:
>>
>> { ^. }
>>
>> For some reason I couldn't find the dedicated documentation.
>> Cheers,
>> Pierre
>>
>> Le dim. 9 juil. 2023 à 06:54, Jun Tamura > > a écrit :
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> Is there a recommended practice to engrave a triple-stop for the violin as
>>> in the attached example - notes with different durations in a single
>>> triple-stop? The example is from the 1st violin part, bar 24, 1st movement,
>>> piano concerto no. 3 by Beethoven. This quite often appears in music for
>>> string instruments. I’ve looked through LSR but cannot find a good example.
>>> Your kind advice is appreciated.
>>>
>>> Jun
>>>
Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
PS. Added to the LSR: https://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1170
Le dim. 9 juil. 2023 à 07:07, Pierre Perol-Schneider <
pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi Jun,
> I'd do:
>
> { ^. }
>
> For some reason I couldn't find the dedicated documentation.
> Cheers,
> Pierre
>
> Le dim. 9 juil. 2023 à 06:54, Jun Tamura a écrit :
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Is there a recommended practice to engrave a triple-stop for the violin
>> as in the attached example - notes with different durations in a single
>> triple-stop? The example is from the 1st violin part, bar 24, 1st movement,
>> piano concerto no. 3 by Beethoven. This quite often appears in music for
>> string instruments. I’ve looked through LSR but cannot find a good example.
>> Your kind advice is appreciated.
>>
>> Jun
>>
>>
Re: Engraving a triple-stop for violin
Hi Jun,
I'd do:
{ ^. }
For some reason I couldn't find the dedicated documentation.
Cheers,
Pierre
Le dim. 9 juil. 2023 à 06:54, Jun Tamura a écrit :
> Hello!
>
> Is there a recommended practice to engrave a triple-stop for the violin as
> in the attached example - notes with different durations in a single
> triple-stop? The example is from the 1st violin part, bar 24, 1st movement,
> piano concerto no. 3 by Beethoven. This quite often appears in music for
> string instruments. I’ve looked through LSR but cannot find a good example.
> Your kind advice is appreciated.
>
> Jun
>
>
