RE: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
Thanks Valentin, It is now: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=769 _ Quante ne sai? Scoprilo con CrossWire! http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/140630367/direct/01/___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:57:12AM -0700, MonAmiPierrot wrote: I wonder why I (and, as I can imagine, 99% of users out there) have always to put \unfoldRepeats in a different \score block just for correct MIDI output, thus having to put in a variable all the \score content and use it in both \score blocks. I *never* put \unfoldRepeats. If you want real music, listen to musicians. If you want to check your typesetting, repeats just waste your time. Fortunately, there's a simple way for both of us to be happy: the status pro. Cheers, - Garham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 05:25:01PM +0800, Graham Percival wrote: Fortunately, there's a simple way for both of us to be happy: the status pro. *facepalms* I cannot believe I just wrote that. In dubio prosecco. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 05:25:01PM +0800, Graham Percival wrote: Fortunately, there's a simple way for both of us to be happy: the status pro. *facepalms* I cannot believe I just wrote that. Cheers, - Graham I'm a writer! Percival ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
Graham Percival-3 wrote: I *never* put \unfoldRepeats. If you want real music, listen to musicians. Uhm... so, why don't we abolish \midi output? I undestand what you said. It's because you mostly use \repeat for just \repeats volta, which I can understand is THE most used \repeat usage (so, I apologize for the 99% of users). For me, I only use \repeat percent and most of all \repeat tremolo. In both cases, audio output is important. At least for tremolos, you'll perfectly agree that there's no point in not playing it by midi (midi only play the note(s) that represent the length of tremolo, not the notes of which trmolo actually consists: it doesn't make sense, for me) I transcribe a lot of 19th century opera orch and piano scores and in some operas there's almost no page without tremolos. I would like to listen how it sounds, even with MIDI. Unless, of course, you come in my studio with a bunch of singers and a not-above-average late 19th century orchestra, direct them (and occasionally play piano) when I need. Just when I need, of course, you'll have plenty of spare time! ;) bye H. P.S. Perhaps, the \unfoldRepeats behaviour should be the default behaviour in case of \repeat percent/tremolo, and not for \repeat volta (or additionally in voltas also in case of different alternative endings). I would like to know your (and all) opinions. - Piero Faustini, PhD student Dipartimento di Scienze Storiche Sezione musicologia Università di Ferrara Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.1 on WinXP sp3; EndNote JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliographies -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Feat.-request%3A-autobehaviour-of-%5CunfoldRepeats-tp22985125p22985879.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 03:08:32AM -0700, MonAmiPierrot wrote: Graham Percival-3 wrote: I *never* put \unfoldRepeats. If you want real music, listen to musicians. Uhm... so, why don't we abolish \midi output? Because you cut out the relevant part of the quote. \midi is useful for checking that you've entered the notes correctly. If you skipped over a note or something, the clashing chords will be *really* noticeable. For me, I only use \repeat percent and most of all \repeat tremolo. In both cases, audio output is important. At least for tremolos, you'll perfectly agree that there's no point in not playing it by midi (midi only play the note(s) that represent the length of tremolo, not the notes of which trmolo actually consists: it doesn't make sense, for me) Ah, I didn't realize that. Yes, it would be nice if midi played the real notes. If that isn't already in the google tracker, it should be added. P.S. Perhaps, the \unfoldRepeats behaviour should be the default behaviour in case of \repeat percent/tremolo, and not for \repeat volta (or additionally in voltas also in case of different alternative endings). I would like to know your (and all) opinions. I could get behind that. Of course, there won't be any action on any of these midi issues until a Frog decides to work on midi output. That could be 2-3 years in the future. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
MonAmiPierrot pierofaustini at hotmail.com writes: P.S. Perhaps, the \unfoldRepeats behaviour should be the default behaviour in case of \repeat percent/tremolo, and not for \repeat volta (or additionally in voltas also in case of different alternative endings). I would like to know your (and all) opinions. Last month this was bothering me also. I made a function to only unfold tremolo repeats: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2009-03/msg00166.html It wouldn't be hard to have this also unfold percent repeats. -Jay ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
Jay Anderson wrote: It wouldn't be hard to have this also unfold percent repeats. Of course, tremolos were the most important. I'm with Hu: double tremolo notes are a must. They take the 90% of tremolos I find in my work. But if your \tremolos code works you'll save a huge amount of KB from my .ly files. On unfoldTremolo, I'll give a try, but if you confirm it works, I don't see a reason not to implement it in next Lilypond version. What I suggest is to having it work BY DEFAULT, cause 99,9% of tremolo users would switch it on if they use MIDI output. Piero - Piero Faustini, PhD student Dipartimento di Scienze Storiche Sezione musicologia Università di Ferrara Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.1 on WinXP sp3; EndNote JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliographies -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Feat.-request%3A-autobehaviour-of-%5CunfoldRepeats-tp22985125p22990710.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
MonAmiPierrot wrote: On unfoldTremolo, I'll give a try, but if you confirm it works, I don't see a reason not to implement it in next Lilypond version. What I suggest is to having it work BY DEFAULT, cause 99,9% of tremolo users would switch it on if they use MIDI output. I don't typeset 19th century operas, but I will just mention that the one or two times I checked a tremolo-containing score with MIDI, I was unpleasantly surprised to hear the music go dead all of a sudden. So I'm with Piero, switch it on by default. It would make score-checking more enjoyable. - Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
I wonder why I (and, as I can imagine, 99% of users out there) have always to put \unfoldRepeats in a different \score block just for correct MIDI output, thus having to put in a variable all the \score content and use it in both \score blocks. I would also prefer \unfoldRepeats to be the default. I frequently use the midi as practice material for the musicians. It's also good to have the repeats in the midi for listening checks to make sure you have all the repeats correct, or that they sound as you had imagined. Kees ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
Kees == Kees van den Doel kvand...@shaw.ca writes: Kees I would also prefer \unfoldRepeats to be the default. I Kees frequently use the midi as practice material for the Kees musicians. It's also good to have the repeats in the midi Kees for listening checks to make sure you have all the repeats Kees correct, or that they sound as you had imagined. I don't have a problem with the default changing, as long as there's an easy way to get back the current behavior, preferably from the command line so that hundreds of files don't have to be edited. But for me, the currrent behavior (for \repeat volta) is the correct one. If I'm typesetting music, it saves a *lot* of proofreading time if what the MIDI plays is what's on the paper, and not what the performer is going to play. When I was using ABC for note entry, this is the major feature that convinced me to do the proofreading on the lily output and not on the abcMIDI/abctab2ps output, which does the equivalent of \repeat unfold. -- Laura (mailto:lcon...@laymusic.org http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit. Vergil This will make a good story to tell the grandchildren, if we live that long. Conrad Translation. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Feat. request: autobehaviour of \unfoldRepeats
2009/4/10 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 03:08:32AM -0700, MonAmiPierrot wrote: For me, I only use \repeat percent and most of all \repeat tremolo. In both cases, audio output is important. At least for tremolos, you'll perfectly agree that there's no point in not playing it by midi (midi only play the note(s) that represent the length of tremolo, not the notes of which trmolo actually consists: it doesn't make sense, for me) Ah, I didn't realize that. Yes, it would be nice if midi played the real notes. If that isn't already in the google tracker, it should be added. It is now: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=769 Regards, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
