Re: lilypond tool not loading, very annoying
2010/8/2 searchfgold searchfgold67...@live.com: Hi, I got LilypondTool for jedit and there's a menu for it under plugins, but the toolbar and text coloring are not loading. I don't think lilypondtool is loading at all. Am I missing something? Hi! Your file extension should be .ly in order to load the LilyPonTool mode. So simply save your file as myfilename.ly and the toolbar and text coloring should appear. Magic!;-) Cheers, Xavier -- Xavier Scheuer x.sche...@gmail.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
Graham == Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes:
Graham On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Peter Chubb
Graham lily.u...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote:
Trevor == Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes:
Trevor Peter's original announcement, with articulate.ly and some
Trevor instructions for its use is at
Trevor http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00108.html
Graham Yes, so it would be nice if somebody could send a small
Graham documentation suggestion according to...
Graham huh. lilypond.org seems to be down at the moment, so I'll
Graham just describe it: on the new webpage, click on Community, then
Graham Development, then documentation suggestions.
Here's a patch. Feel free to edit for style :-)
Signed-off-by: Peter Chubb peter.ch...@nicta.com.au
---
Documentation/usage/external.itely | 20 +++-
1 file changed, 19 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
Index: lilypond/Documentation/usage/external.itely
===
--- lilypond.orig/Documentation/usage/external.itely2010-02-17
12:44:00.551158469 +1100
+++ lilypond/Documentation/usage/external.itely 2010-02-17 13:13:15.338160699
+1100
@@ -592,6 +592,24 @@
@node MIDI articulation
@subsection MIDI articulation
-TODO stub for info about Dr. Peter Chubb's @file{articulate.ly}
+LilyPond can be used to produce MIDI output, for `proof-hearing' what
+has been written. However, only dynamics, explicit tempo markings,
+and the notes and durations themselves are produced in the output.
+
+At
+...@uref{http://@/www@/.nicta@/.com@/.au/@/people/@/chubbp/@/articulate}
+is one attempt to get more of the information in the score into the
+MIDI. It works by shortening notes not under slurs, to `articulate'
+the notes. The amount of shortening depends on any
+articulation markings attached to a note: staccato halves the note
+value, tenuto gives a note its full duration, and so on.
+
+The script also realises trills and turns, and could be extended to
+expand other ornaments such as mordents.
+
+Its main limitation is that it can only affect things it knows about:
+anything that is merely textual markup (instead of a note property) is
+still ignored.
+
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Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
Thanks, modified and pushed.
For the record, I wasn't expecting (or fishing for) an actual patch;
the page I was trying to point people at was:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/contributor/documentation-suggestions
(in particular, the small additions section)
Cheers,
- Graham
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Peter Chubb pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote:
Graham == Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes:
Graham On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Peter Chubb
Graham lily.u...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote:
Trevor == Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes:
Trevor Peter's original announcement, with articulate.ly and some
Trevor instructions for its use is at
Trevor http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00108.html
Graham Yes, so it would be nice if somebody could send a small
Graham documentation suggestion according to...
Graham huh. lilypond.org seems to be down at the moment, so I'll
Graham just describe it: on the new webpage, click on Community, then
Graham Development, then documentation suggestions.
Here's a patch. Feel free to edit for style :-)
Signed-off-by: Peter Chubb peter.ch...@nicta.com.au
---
Documentation/usage/external.itely | 20 +++-
1 file changed, 19 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
Index: lilypond/Documentation/usage/external.itely
===
--- lilypond.orig/Documentation/usage/external.itely 2010-02-17
12:44:00.551158469 +1100
+++ lilypond/Documentation/usage/external.itely 2010-02-17 13:13:15.338160699
+1100
@@ -592,6 +592,24 @@
�...@node MIDI articulation
�...@subsection MIDI articulation
-TODO stub for info about Dr. Peter Chubb's @file{articulate.ly}
+LilyPond can be used to produce MIDI output, for `proof-hearing' what
+has been written. However, only dynamics, explicit tempo markings,
+and the notes and durations themselves are produced in the output.
+
+At
+...@uref{http://@/www@/.nicta@/.com@/.au/@/people/@/chubbp/@/articulate}
+is one attempt to get more of the information in the score into the
+MIDI. It works by shortening notes not under slurs, to `articulate'
+the notes. The amount of shortening depends on any
+articulation markings attached to a note: staccato halves the note
+value, tenuto gives a note its full duration, and so on.
+
+The script also realises trills and turns, and could be extended to
+expand other ornaments such as mordents.
+
+Its main limitation is that it can only affect things it knows about:
+anything that is merely textual markup (instead of a note property) is
+still ignored.
+
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Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
Graham == Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: Graham Thanks, modified and pushed. For the record, I wasn't Graham expecting (or fishing for) an actual patch; the page I was Graham trying to point people at was: Graham http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/contributor/documentation-suggestions Graham (in particular, the small additions section) I'm more used to generating patches. :-) Peter C -- Dr Peter Chubb peter DOT chubb AT nicta.com.au http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au ERTOS within National ICT Australia All things shall perish from under the sky/Music alone shall live, never to die ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
David Santamauro wrote: What is the status (if any) of LilyPondTool MIDI output? Is there any work going on in that direction? I'm very interested in accurate midi representation of the written page and have invested much time in understanding the subtle, but yet convincing effects midi controllers have on performance. A fusion of the scoring power of lilypond with an accurate midi representation would be, for me, the ultimate tool for productivity. Hi, LilyPondTool is not, but LilyPond IS developed in that direction. However, there is much work to do, and you are certainly welcome to contribute better MIDI output if you can. Currently LilyPond doesn't support the performance articulation marks (like staccato), not to mention humanization. Even simple things are on the todo list like arbitrary MIDI messages attached to notes. Bert ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:03:48PM +0100, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: David Santamauro wrote: What is the status (if any) of LilyPondTool MIDI output? Is there any Hi, LilyPondTool is not, but LilyPond IS developed in that direction. However, there is much work to do, and you are certainly welcome to contribute better MIDI output if you can. Currently LilyPond doesn't support the performance articulation marks (like staccato), not to mention humanization. I believe that Dr. Peter Chubb's work adds articulations marks. Sadly, nobody has contributed any doc work about this: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/usage/midi-articulation so I can't even point you at his webpage(s). Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
Graham Percival wrote Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:49 PM On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:03:48PM +0100, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: David Santamauro wrote: What is the status (if any) of LilyPondTool MIDI output? Is there any Hi, LilyPondTool is not, but LilyPond IS developed in that direction. However, there is much work to do, and you are certainly welcome to contribute better MIDI output if you can. Currently LilyPond doesn't support the performance articulation marks (like staccato), not to mention humanization. I believe that Dr. Peter Chubb's work adds articulations marks. Sadly, nobody has contributed any doc work about this: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/usage/midi-articulation so I can't even point you at his webpage(s). Peter's original announcement, with articulate.ly and some instructions for its use is at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00108.html Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:01:21 - Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk wrote: Graham Percival wrote Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:49 PM On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:03:48PM +0100, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote: David Santamauro wrote: What is the status (if any) of LilyPondTool MIDI output? Is there any Hi, LilyPondTool is not, but LilyPond IS developed in that direction. However, there is much work to do, and you are certainly welcome to contribute better MIDI output if you can. I haven't programmed scheme since SGML/Jade days... I'll need to brush the cobwebs out of the way and put my glasses on. Currently LilyPond doesn't support the performance articulation marks (like staccato), not to mention humanization. I believe that Dr. Peter Chubb's work adds articulations marks. Sadly, nobody has contributed any doc work about this: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/usage/midi-articulation so I can't even point you at his webpage(s). Peter's original announcement, with articulate.ly and some instructions for its use is at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00108.html Trevor Many thanks, I'll take a good look at it and see what it brings -- can't promise anything, but I will surely look. Is there any demand for this or am I a corner case? thanks again, David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
Trevor == Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: Trevor Graham Percival wrote Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:49 PM Trevor Peter's original announcement, with articulate.ly and some Trevor instructions for its use is at Trevor http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00108.html I try to keep it up to date at http://www.nicta.com.au/people/chubbp/articulate --- people have been sending me bug reports, which I've been trying to address as I have time, and the result keeps getting better. As add-on scheme/lilypond code it doesn't really quite fit into the current LilyPond codebase anywhere that's obvious. Any chance of adding a `contrib' directory so things like this could be distributed with LilyPond? Or if not that, then a `loosely related work' section to the webpage? -- Dr Peter Chubbwww.nicta.com.au peter DOT chubb AT nicta.com.au http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au ERTOS within National ICT Australia From Imagination to Impact Imagining the (ICT) Future ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Peter Chubb lily.u...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: Trevor == Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk writes: Trevor Peter's original announcement, with articulate.ly and some Trevor instructions for its use is at Trevor http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-08/msg00108.html Yes, so it would be nice if somebody could send a small documentation suggestion according to... huh. lilypond.org seems to be down at the moment, so I'll just describe it: on the new webpage, click on Community, then Development, then documentation suggestions. As add-on scheme/lilypond code it doesn't really quite fit into the current LilyPond codebase anywhere that's obvious. Any chance of adding a `contrib' directory so things like this could be distributed with LilyPond? This has been planned for literally over 2 years. But it keeps on getting bumped because I need to put out fires elsewhere. Maybe we'll finally get some volunteer(s) for this during GOP. Or if not that, then a `loosely related work' section to the webpage? That's the whole point of the doc link I gave earlier: a collection of loosely related work, like your articulate.ly, Reinhold's orchestra stuff, anything useful from Valentin's opera, Nicolas' amazing scheme stuff, etc. At the moment it might not look very visible since it's inside the Usage manual, but Usage is much more important in the 2.14 docs, so it should get a fair number of readers. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: huh. lilypond.org seems to be down at the moment, so I'll just describe it: on the new webpage, click on Community, then Development, then documentation suggestions. Sorry, my memory was faulty. That should be - Community-Help us - (simple tasks) documentation suggestions Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond tool and MidiInput
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:43:51 -0700 Andrew Hawryluk ahawry...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:30 AM, David Santamauro david.santama...@gmail.com wrote: So, 2 questions: 1) Is the source code still available? and; 2) would anyone (Andrew) mind me fiddling with it? Hi David, you're very welcome! 1) Yes, the link should still work (I just checked it), but I have attached the file for you just in case. Thanks. 2) I certainly don't mind your fiddling with it. Much of the functionality has been absorbed into LilyPondTool, an extension to jEdit written by Bertalan Fodor. You may want to give his package a try before you do much work, because his is much more widely used and better maintained. It is not JACK aware either, but you might as well try them both first. That said, in LilyPondTool the MIDI input is integrated into the virtual keyboard, which also changes the computer keyboard into a specialized music entry tool. I can see how this could be very efficient after some practice, but so far I still prefer the light-weight approach that leaves me free to type any additional elements (e.g. markups) as I enter music sequentially. Yes, yes, the LilyPondTool. I found that functionality after writing my initial email, apologies for not investigating further before firing off the original email. I have to say, regarding ease of input, this combination of jedit and lilypondtool is bringing me closer to dropping my last dependency on an old win16 notation editor (capella, in case anyone is interested). I never upgraded it because it did _exactly_ what I needed: easy data entry, playback (albeit rudimentary) and a decent (albeit not perfect) final print. What is the status (if any) of LilyPondTool MIDI output? Is there any work going on in that direction? I'm very interested in accurate midi representation of the written page and have invested much time in understanding the subtle, but yet convincing effects midi controllers have on performance. A fusion of the scoring power of lilypond with an accurate midi representation would be, for me, the ultimate tool for productivity. Sorry, for rambling... thanks David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Tool in jEdit
Hi, if you use the build in system console of jEdit, make sure to clear it berfore running LaTeX again. LaTeX writes a lot of output and this has to be buffered for that console. regards rene Am Mittwoch, den 22.04.2009, 07:48 +0200 schrieb Helge Kruse: I also write in LaTeX and tried to use jEdit for this purpose. But jEdit hangs several times per hour when running LaTeX. I argue that it would be better to use the stable version 4.2 of jEdit. But there's no LPT available I haven't used LaTeX for some years, that was before I used jEdit. You may consider starting LaTeX from the DOS prompt? Yes it's possible, but jEdit has some nice features, like jump to the next error found in compiler (Lilypond,LaTeX) output. Regards, Helge ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Tool in jEdit
if you use the build in system console of jEdit, make sure to clear it berfore running LaTeX again. LaTeX writes a lot of output and this has to be buffered for that console. Exactly in this case jEdit hangs. It seams like I have to make sure that LaTeX has terminated, but it doesnt always in case of errors in the TEX file. When I clear the buffer, I probably sometimes forget to terminate latex before I start the next run. Helge ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Tool in jEdit
Helge Kruse schreef: Hello, I installed jEdit and LilyPondTool (LPT) at Windows XP. Unfortunately LPT could not be installed with the Plugin Manager of jEdit 4.2. So I choosed to install jEdit 4.3pre16 (the development version) and LPT. LPT works nice in jEdit 4.3pre16 on Windows XP. I also write in LaTeX and tried to use jEdit for this purpose. But jEdit hangs several times per hour when running LaTeX. I argue that it would be better to use the stable version 4.2 of jEdit. But there's no LPT available I haven't used LaTeX for some years, that was before I used jEdit. You may consider starting LaTeX from the DOS prompt? Regards, Kees ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Tool on Mac 10.4.3
Craig Bakalian wrote: Hi, Has anyone out there downloaded the LilypondTool jEdit and have got it to work? I am just so cautious these days with java on Mac OS 10. I used to program heavily in java, but have not in 7 years. So, I am not even up to date on the different names for the run time. Like, Java runtime 5 on Mac OS X is downloaded as... because when I go to update my iMac's Java, it goes for 1.4.3 or Java 2. I am really in the dark here. Anyone up to explain this? I've had jEdit+lilypondtool working for some time now. If you go to Apple's developer downloads (http://developer.apple.com/java/download/), you'll find the releases for Java 2 Standard Edition (depending on what point release of OS X 10.4 you have, you'll need to choice Release 5 or Release 6). This actually appears as version 1.5.0 when you type java -version in a terminal window. BTW, I'm using jEdit 4.3 pre 14. Brett ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Tool
Bertalan Fodor wrote: Five minutes? Really? Could you send me a file with this processing time? Windows XP Pro, Lilypond 2.11.5, jEdit 4.3 pre-9, Lilypond Tool 2.10.3 Gordon, please do not use an old unstable version like 2.11.5. Please either use the stable version (2.10.x), or use the most current unstable version (currently 2.11.13 or .14). We recently fixed a large number of memory leaks, which could easily cause your file to compile very slowly. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Tool
Graham, Thanks for the advice. Yes I did indeed install the latest bleeding-edge version of Lily. Love it!! My compile times are now in the neighbourhood of five to 40 seconds. (I think the longer times are when my machine gets itself bogged down somehow, and I simply reboot.) On other subjects, what does anybody know about jEdit 4.3 pre9 and installation on a FreeBSD machine. I have had trouble with that on my other machine. It stopped because of a program called diablo-caffe which is having issues with my libraries (I think). I *have* written to the recommended people asking their help, but if we can get the word out, maybe somebody on the list has some experience with this, and perhaps some hints. Blessings, Fr. Gordon On 29/01/07, Graham Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertalan Fodor wrote: Five minutes? Really? Could you send me a file with this processing time? Windows XP Pro, Lilypond 2.11.5, jEdit 4.3 pre-9, Lilypond Tool 2.10.3 Gordon, please do not use an old unstable version like 2.11.5. Please either use the stable version (2.10.x), or use the most current unstable version (currently 2.11.13 or .14). We recently fixed a large number of memory leaks, which could easily cause your file to compile very slowly. Cheers, - Graham -- Fr. Gordon Gilbert Penetanguishene, ON ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Tool
Hi folks, I'm a BIG fan of Lilypond Tool now!! I've just installed it in my jEdit on my Windoze machine, and run a few files. The Console which shows you what's happening makes it more like my FreeBSD machine in visibility, and the PDF viewer with click-to-find is super! And the Midi launcher -- great! And looking through the menu items, I'm just beginning to scratch the surface of the possibilities. BUT ... It seems to take an inordinate amount of time to process these files. I'm not working on huge files -- most are songs that fit on one page. But they take (according to the Console window) the best part of five minutes to process. Any ideas on how to streamline this? I've tried un-checking the complex parser, but that doesn't help, and if I click Restart Lilypond Tool, it quits the process with permission denied. And sometime, for no apparent reason, the convert-ly function comes up with Bean-shell error. Dunno why. So any help in making my system as efficient as possible is appreciated. Lily never took so long in the drat--drop method on Windoze, or on my FreeBSD machine. I'd like it to be faster than it is if possible. Windows XP Pro, Lilypond 2.11.5, jEdit 4.3 pre-9, Lilypond Tool 2.10.3 Blessings, Father Gordon Gilbert ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond Tool
It seems to take an inordinate amount of time to process these files. I'm not working on huge files -- most are songs that fit on one page. But they take (according to the Console window) the best part of five minutes to process. Five minutes? Really? Could you send me a file with this processing time? Bert So any help in making my system as efficient as possible is appreciated. Lily never took so long in the drat--drop method on Windoze, or on my FreeBSD machine. I'd like it to be faster than it is if possible. Windows XP Pro, Lilypond 2.11.5, jEdit 4.3 pre-9, Lilypond Tool 2.10.3 Blessings, Father Gordon Gilbert ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
