Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens
I have now checked an authoritative book (Noter by Börje Tyboni, unfortunately only available in Swedish). It turns out that you can have extender lines also for tied over notes, not only for melismas. The rule is rather that you should only use an extender line if there is a wide space to the next syllable. My answers for 2) and 3) seem correct, though. /Mats Mats Bengtsson wrote: I don't have any book on music typesetting practice available in front of me right now, but will try some advanced guesses anyway. Neil Killeen wrote: Hi 1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ? Should one use an extender like with a melisma ? Thus a~ a Fish __ Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender a~ a Fish I would only use extender lines for melismas, not for ties. 2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do extend ties. E.g. a1~ | a1 | es1~ | es1 Moun __ -- tains What I see after type setting is something like /--\ /---\ o o oo _ _ - First hyphen overlaps with extender Moun__ tains_ I think it's normal to only use hyphens in such a situation and no extender lines. 3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good style to see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ? E.g. a~ a Fish. __ If not, what should one do ? Leave out the punctuation or try and poke it in after the extender somehow ? The punctuation before the extender seems reasonable. /Mats -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens
Mats many thanks for following that up. regards Neil From: Mats Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Neil Killeen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:17:52 +0200 I have now checked an authoritative book (Noter by Börje Tyboni, unfortunately only available in Swedish). It turns out that you can have extender lines also for tied over notes, not only for melismas. The rule is rather that you should only use an extender line if there is a wide space to the next syllable. My answers for 2) and 3) seem correct, though. /Mats Mats Bengtsson wrote: I don't have any book on music typesetting practice available in front of me right now, but will try some advanced guesses anyway. Neil Killeen wrote: Hi 1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ? Should one use an extender like with a melisma ? Thus a~ a Fish __ Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender a~ a Fish I would only use extender lines for melismas, not for ties. 2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do extend ties. E.g. a1~ | a1 | es1~ | es1 Moun __ -- tains What I see after type setting is something like /--\ /---\ o o oo _ _ - First hyphen overlaps with extender Moun__ tains_ I think it's normal to only use hyphens in such a situation and no extender lines. 3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good style to see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ? E.g. a~ a Fish. __ If not, what should one do ? Leave out the punctuation or try and poke it in after the extender somehow ? The punctuation before the extender seems reasonable. /Mats -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens
I don't have any book on music typesetting practice available in front of me right now, but will try some advanced guesses anyway. Neil Killeen wrote: Hi 1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ? Should one use an extender like with a melisma ? Thus a~ a Fish __ Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender a~ a Fish I would only use extender lines for melismas, not for ties. 2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do extend ties. E.g. a1~ | a1 | es1~ | es1 Moun __ -- tains What I see after type setting is something like /--\ /---\ o o oo _ _ - First hyphen overlaps with extender Moun__ tains_ I think it's normal to only use hyphens in such a situation and no extender lines. 3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good style to see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ? E.g. a~ a Fish. __ If not, what should one do ? Leave out the punctuation or try and poke it in after the extender somehow ? The punctuation before the extender seems reasonable. /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
