Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Hans Åberg]

> On 21 Nov 2020, at 16:14, Kieren MacMillan  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t think that solves the OP’s problem, as I understand it to be… I think 
> the OP wants a compressed visual representation of a whole bunch of 4/4+3/4 
> two-measure chunks, without actually seeing them written out.

I think the rule is that multi-measure rests indicate the number of measures 
regardless of their meter. But LilyPond does not seem able to handle that.

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Maximilian Marcoll]

And to make it more challenging, measure numbers should be correct afterwards, 
too...

A tagged measure attached spanner would be a workaround I guess, if there’s an 
easy way to hide (but count) the remaining but unnecessary measures. 

Thanks to you all,

Max

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> On Nov 21, 2020, at 17:50, Maximilian Marcoll  wrote:
> 
> Precisely! :)
> 
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2020, at 16:16, Kieren MacMillan  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the OP wants a compressed visual representation of a whole bunch of 
>> 4/4+3/4 two-measure chunks, without actually seeing them written out.
> 

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Maximilian Marcoll]

Precisely! :)


> On Nov 21, 2020, at 16:16, Kieren MacMillan  
> wrote:
> 
> I think the OP wants a compressed visual representation of a whole bunch of 
> 4/4+3/4 two-measure chunks, without actually seeing them written out.

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Kieren MacMillan]

> Compound meter, perhaps?

p.s. Gould explicitly notes that compound meter and strictly alternating meter 
are two distinct things.  :)

Best,
Kieren.


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Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Tim,

> As far as I can tell from looking at the docs, the only way to do this using 
> multi-measure rests will be in 7/4. It will count out the same, assuming the 
> right number of measures is chosen.

Yes… That’s why I suggested a measure-attached "x" spanner. (n.b. Gould doesn’t 
explicitly address this situation, so there’s no “gospel” that I know of.) I 
really can’t think of a more elegant way, but would love to see what others 
come up with!

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Aaron,

> Compound meter, perhaps?

I don’t know whether the OP is willing to use compound meter…?
Let’s wait to hear OP’s response.

Thanks!
Kieren.


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Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Tim McNamara]

> On Nov 21, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Kieren MacMillan  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t think that solves the OP’s problem, as I understand it to be… I think 
> the OP wants a compressed visual representation of a whole bunch of 4/4+3/4 
> two-measure chunks, without actually seeing them written out.

As far as I can tell from looking at the docs, the only way to do this using 
multi-measure rests will be in 7/4. It will count out the same, assuming the 
right number of measures is chosen.

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Aaron Hill]

On 2020-11-21 7:14 am, Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Hi Phil,

I don’t think that solves the OP’s problem, as I understand it to be…
I think the OP wants a compressed visual representation of a whole
bunch of 4/4+3/4 two-measure chunks, without actually seeing them
written out.

Of course, I might be wrong!  =)


Compound meter, perhaps?


\version "2.20.0"

\compressMMRests <<
  \new Staff {
\compoundMeter #'(4 3 4)
\repeat unfold 2
{ a'4 4 b'2 a'4 b'2 }
R4*7*14
  }
  \new Staff {
R4*7*14
\repeat unfold 2
{ b'2 2 a'4 4 4 }
  }






-- Aaron Hill

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Phil,

I don’t think that solves the OP’s problem, as I understand it to be… I think 
the OP wants a compressed visual representation of a whole bunch of 4/4+3/4 
two-measure chunks, without actually seeing them written out.

Of course, I might be wrong!  =)

Best,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
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Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Hans Åberg]

> On 20 Nov 2020, at 14:01, Maximilian Marcoll  wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering wether there is a convenient solution for the following 
> situation:
> 
> Imagine an ensemble or orchestra piece has alternating time signatures, for 
> instance repeated 4/4 | 3/4 time signature changes.
> Not multiple 7/4 measures but actually 4/4 | 3/4 | 4/4 | 3/4 and so on.
> 
> If for some instruments these measures only contain rests, could this somehow 
> be expressed with multi-measure rests?

You might rewrite it to 7/4, as there is no difference in musical performance.

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Phil Holmes]

Here's an alternative semi-automatic way (proof of concept):

\new Score {
<<
\new Staff {
  \time 3/4 c''2. \time 4/4 c''1 \time 3/4 c''2.
}

\new Staff {
  \new Voice \with {
    \remove "Rest_engraver"
    \consists "Completion_rest_engraver"
  }
  {R1*10/4}
}
>>
}


On 20/11/2020 15:45, Maximilian Marcoll wrote:

Fantastic! Thank you!
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On 20 Nov 2020, at 15:30, Kieren MacMillan mailto:kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Hi Max,


Sure, that would be great. But how would that be possible with the same 
music-content also being used for the full score?


Tags.  =)

Hope that helps!
Kieren.


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Phil Holmes

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Maximilian Marcoll]

Fantastic! Thank you!
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> On 20 Nov 2020, at 15:30, Kieren MacMillan  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
> 
>> Sure, that would be great. But how would that be possible with the same 
>> music-content also being used for the full score?
> 
> Tags.  =)
> 
> Hope that helps!
> Kieren.
> 
> 
> Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
> ‣ email: kie...@kierenmacmillan.info
> 
> 

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Maximilian Marcoll]

Hi!

Thank you for your response. 
Sure, that would be great. But how would that be possible with the same 
music-content also being used for the full score?

Cheers,

Max

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> On Nov 20, 2020, at 15:12, Kieren MacMillan  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
> 
>> If for some instruments these measures only contain rests, could this 
>> somehow be expressed with multi-measure rests? 
> 
> What about a measure of 4/4 and a measure of 3/4 with a spanner over it 
> saying “12x” (or whatever)?
> 
> Hope that helps!
> Kieren.
> 
> 
> Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
> ‣ email: kie...@kierenmacmillan.info
> 
> 

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Max,

> Sure, that would be great. But how would that be possible with the same 
> music-content also being used for the full score?

Tags.  =)

Hope that helps!
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: kie...@kierenmacmillan.info

Re: Multi-measure rests with alternating time signatures

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Max,

> If for some instruments these measures only contain rests, could this somehow 
> be expressed with multi-measure rests? 

What about a measure of 4/4 and a measure of 3/4 with a spanner over it saying 
“12x” (or whatever)?

Hope that helps!
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
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‣ email: kie...@kierenmacmillan.info