Re: Why does \skip extend an extender
2015-12-20 18:35 GMT+01:00 Cynthia Karl :
>
>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Phil Holmes wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Patrick or Cynthia Karl"
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:41 PM
>> Subject: Why does \skip extend an extender
>>
>>
>>> In the following snippet:
>>>
>>> music = \relative b' {
>>> c4 d e f
>>> f g a b
>>> c,1
>>> }
>>>
>>> Lyrics = \lyricmode {
>>> c d e __ _
>>> _ \skip 1 \skip 1 \skip 1
>>> C
>>> }
>>>
>>> \score {
>>> \new Staff \music
>>> \addlyrics \Lyrics
>>> \layout { }
>>> }
>>>
>>> I want the three skips to skip past the notes "g a b". That is, I want the
>>> singing of “e” to terminate with the 2nd “f”. But for some reason the
>>> extender is extended through the notes “g a b”. How can I fix this?
>>
>> Clearly the extender continues since the expectation is that the singer has
>> to do something with these notes, and continuing to sing "e" is the only
>> option. If the extender ended on the 2nd f, I would have no idea what is
>> intended for the next 3 notes. It would be very confusing.
>
> I guess I don’t really understand the thinking here. Does it not frequently
> happen that an instrument performer and a singer “play” the same notes, the
> performer on his instrument and the singer with his voice? And if that ever
> does happen, wouldn’t it be conceivable that there might come a time when the
> singer should be silent while the performer continues on with the notes?
>
> I just ran into this again this morning with the song by Anonymous, "Si de
> vos mi bien me aparto”, from Venice in the 1500s. The cantus part has a
> second verse in the first staff of the piece, then silence until the last
> staff of the piece, when the second verse reappears.
Already done here:
http://www.uma.es/victoria/varios.html
ly-file:
http://www.uma.es/victoria/varios/ly/Anonimo-Si_De_Vos_Mi_Bien.ly
>
> Expectations aside, I have been unable to find documentation supporting this
> quirk of \skip. I don’t see why \skip has to take on the duties of “_” in
> extending an extender another note.
Well, quite often the same goal can be reached taking different
routes. Documenting all might blow up the docs even more...
>>
>> However, if you want to do this, replace \skip with "".
Doesn't work properly. It will return a warning.
See the examples below with different approaches, some work some not.
\version "2.14.2" % up to 2.19.32
\relative c' {
c4 d e f g2 e c1
}
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ _ C }
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ \skip 1 C }
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ " " C }
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ \markup " " C }
%% works:
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ " " C } %% nb, doubled space!
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ \markup \null C }
%% The following ends the extender but returns:
%% 2.14.2: programming error: cannot align on self: empty element
%% 2.16.2: works without warning
%% >=2.18.2: warning: LyricText has empty extent and non-empty stencil.
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ "" C }
So I'd think we should have a documented method to finish an extender
where the user wants.
Cheers,
Harm
>>
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
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Re: Why does \skip extend an extender
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Phil Holmes wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Patrick or Cynthia Karl"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:41 PM
> Subject: Why does \skip extend an extender
>
>
>> In the following snippet:
>>
>> music = \relative b' {
>> c4 d e f
>> f g a b
>> c,1
>> }
>>
>> Lyrics = \lyricmode {
>> c d e __ _
>> _ \skip 1 \skip 1 \skip 1
>> C
>> }
>>
>> \score {
>> \new Staff \music
>> \addlyrics \Lyrics
>> \layout { }
>> }
>>
>> I want the three skips to skip past the notes "g a b". That is, I want the
>> singing of “e” to terminate with the 2nd “f”. But for some reason the
>> extender is extended through the notes “g a b”. How can I fix this?
>
> Clearly the extender continues since the expectation is that the singer has
> to do something with these notes, and continuing to sing "e" is the only
> option. If the extender ended on the 2nd f, I would have no idea what is
> intended for the next 3 notes. It would be very confusing.
I guess I don’t really understand the thinking here. Does it not frequently
happen that an instrument performer and a singer “play” the same notes, the
performer on his instrument and the singer with his voice? And if that ever
does happen, wouldn’t it be conceivable that there might come a time when the
singer should be silent while the performer continues on with the notes?
I just ran into this again this morning with the song by Anonymous, "Si de vos
mi bien me aparto”, from Venice in the 1500s. The cantus part has a second
verse in the first staff of the piece, then silence until the last staff of the
piece, when the second verse reappears.
Expectations aside, I have been unable to find documentation supporting this
quirk of \skip. I don’t see why \skip has to take on the duties of “_” in
extending an extender another note.
>
> However, if you want to do this, replace \skip with "".
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
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Re: Why does \skip extend an extender
- Original Message -
From: "Patrick or Cynthia Karl"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: Why does \skip extend an extender
In the following snippet:
music = \relative b' {
c4 d e f
f g a b
c,1
}
Lyrics = \lyricmode {
c d e __ _
_ \skip 1 \skip 1 \skip 1
C
}
\score {
\new Staff \music
\addlyrics \Lyrics
\layout { }
}
I want the three skips to skip past the notes "g a b". That is, I want
the singing of “e” to terminate with the 2nd “f”. But for some reason the
extender is extended through the notes “g a b”. How can I fix this?
Clearly the extender continues since the expectation is that the singer has
to do something with these notes, and continuing to sing "e" is the only
option. If the extender ended on the 2nd f, I would have no idea what is
intended for the next 3 notes. It would be very confusing.
However, if you want to do this, replace \skip with "".
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Phil Holmes
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