Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Carl D. Sorensen schrieb: On 4/18/09 9:22 AM, "Marc Hohl" wrote: Carl D. Sorensen schrieb: People who care strongly about tablature (of which I am *not* one) should be the people who make the decision about what the default should be. In fact, I don't think there's anybody on the core development team who is strongly interested in tablature. That being said, I don't think that the decision to make notes only or full music the default is a very important decision, as long as there is a single command to change to the other style. When the decision is made, and it's ready for submission to LilyPond, the defaults will be established in ly/engraver-init.ly The commands for changing from one to the other will be established in ly/property-init.ly. Marc, once you've got consensus, you can make the changes and roll me a patch, and I'll apply it. Ok, as Carl proposed, I put some modifications in ly/engraver-init.ly, namely I created a \TabNumVoice , which is a copy of \TabVoice without stems, dots, markups etc. The problem with the numbers in brackets which are used at line breaks to indicate tied notes isn't solved yet, but I have now at least a slight idea of how this could be done in scheme. I think you misunderstood my suggestion. I was suggesting: 1) Commands \tabNumbersOnly and \tabNumberedNoteHeads (or something similar to that) would be defined in ly/property-init.ly. 2) The default behavior of the TabVoice would be establihed in ly/engraver-init.ly I don't think we want to have different contexts for different ways of displaying tablature. In general, we want to have contexts represent different musical entities, not different ways of displaying elements in those entities. So we don't have a separate ShapeNoteVoice, we just have a Voice with properties set so that the NoteHeads are shape note style. If you use a separate context, you can't switch from one to the other (although with TabStaff, it's not likely that you would want to do that). I think you can make a command that sets the stencils of all of the stuff you don't want to #'f, which would be a better way to handle it. But I've copied this email to lilypond-devel, in case they don't agree with me. Ok, this makes sense to me. My idea was to create a new context to simplify the input and to allow a clear input structure, but things shouldn't get too complicated ... So I will focus on the two commands you proposed, if no-one disagrees. I also removed the Dynamic_engraver, but this doesn't work, the dynamic signs are still in the tablature. How can I remove the dynamics properly? In my copy of engraver-init.ly, when I look at the Voice context, I see that the /consists Dynamic_engraver is commented out, and there is a /consists New_dynamic_engraver line just above it. I think you should /remove New_dynamic_engraver, and you'll get the output you want. Thank you! I searched through the LSR and found some snippets with Dynamic_engraver, I didn't know that there is a New_dynamic_engraver. Thanks, Carl P.S. A couple of housekeeping things: 1) It's much easier for me to follow multiple threads if they are interleaved, instead of having new messages posted on the top. Maybe I'm showing my age, but traditionally top-posting is less desirable in discussion groups (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style). Sorry, I will keep that in mind. 2) LilyPond standards call for universal diffs (diff -u). Please use that style in the future; it makes it much easier to review patches before applying. Ok. I didn't use diff until now, so I wasn't aware of different options. Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
On 4/18/09 9:22 AM, "Marc Hohl" wrote: > Carl D. Sorensen schrieb: >> People who care strongly about tablature (of which I am *not* one) should be >> the people who make the decision about what the default should be. In fact, >> I don't think there's anybody on the core development team who is strongly >> interested in tablature. >> >> That being said, I don't think that the decision to make notes only or full >> music the default is a very important decision, as long as there is a single >> command to change to the other style. >> >> When the decision is made, and it's ready for submission to LilyPond, the >> defaults will be established in ly/engraver-init.ly >> >> The commands for changing from one to the other will be established in >> ly/property-init.ly. >> >> Marc, once you've got consensus, you can make the changes and roll me a >> patch, and I'll apply it. > > Ok, as Carl proposed, I put some modifications in ly/engraver-init.ly, > namely I created a \TabNumVoice , which is a copy of \TabVoice without > stems, dots, markups etc. The problem with the numbers in brackets > which are used at line breaks to indicate tied notes isn't solved yet, but > I have now at least a slight idea of how this could be done in scheme. I think you misunderstood my suggestion. I was suggesting: 1) Commands \tabNumbersOnly and \tabNumberedNoteHeads (or something similar to that) would be defined in ly/property-init.ly. 2) The default behavior of the TabVoice would be establihed in ly/engraver-init.ly I don't think we want to have different contexts for different ways of displaying tablature. In general, we want to have contexts represent different musical entities, not different ways of displaying elements in those entities. So we don't have a separate ShapeNoteVoice, we just have a Voice with properties set so that the NoteHeads are shape note style. If you use a separate context, you can't switch from one to the other (although with TabStaff, it's not likely that you would want to do that). I think you can make a command that sets the stencils of all of the stuff you don't want to #'f, which would be a better way to handle it. But I've copied this email to lilypond-devel, in case they don't agree with me. > > I also removed the Dynamic_engraver, but this doesn't work, the dynamic > signs are > still in the tablature. How can I remove the dynamics properly? In my copy of engraver-init.ly, when I look at the Voice context, I see that the /consists Dynamic_engraver is commented out, and there is a /consists New_dynamic_engraver line just above it. I think you should /remove New_dynamic_engraver, and you'll get the output you want. Thanks, Carl P.S. A couple of housekeeping things: 1) It's much easier for me to follow multiple threads if they are interleaved, instead of having new messages posted on the top. Maybe I'm showing my age, but traditionally top-posting is less desirable in discussion groups (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style). 2) LilyPond standards call for universal diffs (diff -u). Please use that style in the future; it makes it much easier to review patches before applying. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Ok, as Carl proposed, I put some modifications in ly/engraver-init.ly,
namely I created a \TabNumVoice , which is a copy of \TabVoice without
stems, dots, markups etc. The problem with the numbers in brackets
which are used at line breaks to indicate tied notes isn't solved yet, but
I have now at least a slight idea of how this could be done in scheme.
I also removed the Dynamic_engraver, but this doesn't work, the dynamic
signs are
still in the tablature. How can I remove the dynamics properly?
Marc
Carl D. Sorensen schrieb:
On 3/31/09 2:46 PM, "Grammostola Rosea" wrote:
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Marc Hohl wrote:
Grammostola Rosea schrieb:
Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs, Dots,
Stems etc. default imo.
I don't know whether this should be the default, but it should be
archieved with a simple
command, like \tabNumbersOnly (which isn't defined yet).
Marc
I agree, all though I'm thinking the other way around:
\tabNumbers
Uh no that is not what I meant. I meant that I rather have to set
things on instead of off...
So as I see it now, default is \tabNumersOnly and if you want to add
stems etc there is a command for it.
A command to set all such features (stems, dots, Tie etc.) on, would
be nice maybe?
\tabSignsAll (or something like that)
\r
I don't know how to make the stems and such disappear by default, but
using a simple command
isn't that much effort. I have attached my tablature.ly which allows to
switch between the "normal" and
the "numbers only" settings. Both versions feature a modern tab clef. I
Comments, improvements etc. are welcome!
Marc
Thanks for your work Marc! :)
Maybe some lily devs can discuss how to make it default and make it
possible to add things (dots, stems etc.).
I tested it a bit and it seems to work ok. I don't know if
articulations etc belongs in tab too?
for example:
\version "2.12.2"
\include "tablature.ly"
tab = {
\time 3/4
c4. d-_( e\varcoda)
->f g~ a\prall g\thumb e-. f-. g-.
\times 3/4 { b~ c d c }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar numbers only" { \tabNumbersOnly \tab }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar full tab" { \tabNumbersAndStems \tab }
}
I think you should also add:
\override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t
If I understand correctly, you have a group of interested users who are
working on defining how Tablature should behave.
You also have a couple of tablature users who are interested in becoming
Frogs and thus joining the development team (Marc is one of them, IIRC).
When you have agreement as to what should be the default for tablature, then
it will be time to add the changes to the distribution (and Marc would be an
ideal person to do it).
Right now, as I understand it, there are some users who regularly have
TabStaffs without any other staff. These users need stems, beams, flags,
ties, slurs, etc.
There is also a group of users who regularly use TabStaff with Staff. These
users want only numbers, because the beams, stems, slurs, ties, etc. are all
in the regular music staff, and the TabStaff is only showing fret and string
information.
People who care strongly about tablature (of which I am *not* one) should be
the people who make the decision about what the default should be. In fact,
I don't think there's anybody on the core development team who is strongly
interested in tablature.
That being said, I don't think that the decision to make notes only or full
music the default is a very important decision, as long as there is a single
command to change to the other style.
When the decision is made, and it's ready for submission to LilyPond, the
defaults will be established in ly/engraver-init.ly
The commands for changing from one to the other will be established in
ly/property-init.ly.
Marc, once you've got consensus, you can make the changes and roll me a
patch, and I'll apply it.
Thanks,
Carl
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\version "2.12.2"
tab = {
\time 3/4
c4^"test" d( e)
f4\f g a^\fermata
c8\< c16 c ~ c2\!
c'2.
\mark \default
R2.
r4 d4 r8 r
\times 3/4 { b4 c d c }
c4. d-_( e\varcoda)
->f g~ a\prall g\thumb e-. f-. g-.
\times 3/4 { b4 c d c }
}
\score {
<<
\new Voice { \clef "G_8" \tab }
\new TabNumVoice \tab
>>
}
681,723d680
< %%+mh
< \context {
< \Voice
< \name "TabNumVoice"
< \alias "Voice"
< \consists "Tab_note_heads_engraver"
< \consists "Tab_harmonic_engraver"
<
< \remove "Note_heads_engraver"
< \remove "Fingering_engraver"
< \remove "New_fingering_engraver"
<
< % no stems, beams, dots
< \override Stem #'transparent = ##t
< \override Beam #'transparent = ##t
< \override Dots #'transparent = ##t
< \override Slur #'transparent = ##t
< \over
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
On 4/2/09 1:14 AM, "Marc Hohl" wrote: >> >> Oh, absolutely. But it's not necessary to add everything all at once. >> While we're in a development cycle (2.13), we can add features a little bit >> at a time, and hopefully be close to done by the time we release 2.14. >> > Just curious: is there a time frame for the release of future versions, > as it is with the ubuntu linux releases every six months? No firm time frame. The last thing I heard was from Graham Percival, the LilyPond Release Meister. He said about 4 months, IIRC. To track the release plans, you should be subscribed to lilypond-devel. Thanks, Carl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Carl D. Sorensen schrieb:
On 4/1/09 1:09 AM, "Marc Hohl" wrote:
Carl D. Sorensen schrieb:
Would it be easier to define two separate staff commands? In my files, I
define
noten = \relative c { c d e f }
and feed this into a Staff AND a TabStaff. So, why not create a compound
Staff (called \MusicTabStaff, for example),
which does exactly the same as
<< \Staff { \noten } \TabStaff { \numbersOnly \noten } >>
and uses only the numbers, whereas \TabStaff (as defined in lilypond) is
used in the cases where
no regular staves are needed and thus shows up everything (stems, slurs
etc.)?
There are at least two ways to go with this.
The first is to have a StaffGroup that includes a Staff and a TabStaff. It
would be something like a PianoStaff. I don't know the details of how that
would word, but I suspect it could be done.
The second would be to write a simple music function with one argument (call
it myMusic) that expands to
<< \new Staff { myMusic} \new TabStaff {\numbersOnly \myMusic
\undoNumbersOnly} >>
This music function would be a simple substitution function>. You can use
those in Notation Reference 6.1.2 as examples.
Carl, thank you for your suggestions. I will play a bit and see what way is
better/easier/etc.
When the decision is made, and it's ready for submission to LilyPond, the
defaults will be established in ly/engraver-init.ly
The commands for changing from one to the other will be established in
ly/property-init.ly.
Marc, once you've got consensus, you can make the changes and roll me a
patch, and I'll apply it.
Ok, but I think we are just at the beginning of the topic. The more I
think about tablature features/defaults,
the more complicated it gets ;-)
Oh, absolutely. But it's not necessary to add everything all at once.
While we're in a development cycle (2.13), we can add features a little bit
at a time, and hopefully be close to done by the time we release 2.14.
Just curious: is there a time frame for the release of future versions,
as it is with the ubuntu linux releases every six months?
Marc
Carl
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Re: invisible slurs in tablature
David Stocker schrieb: Marc Hohl wrote: I think you should also add: \override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t Yes, of course. But then another problem occurs: if the tie isn't visible, it looks as if there are two distinct notes. Therefore, I think strongly about a scheme function (which at the end should be hidden in the TabVoice-context) which translates, e.g. c4 d e2 ~ e4. e8 to c4 d e2 s4. e8 so the spurious tablature number disappears in the output. From earlier postings I knew that there are several functions about automatically calculating intervals etc., but I'm a scheme newbie. So I would be glad if someone out there would give me a hint how to start writing such a function. It should be noted that a publishing standard is when there is a Note Staff + Tab Staff, tied notes (that is, the notes that are 'held') in the Tab Staff are indicated by parenthesizing the tab number(s). There are several conventions that are related to tied notes in a Notes+Tab situation: * Tab numbers that are 'tied to' are sometimes parenthesized, sometimes hidden. * In the case that 'tied to' notes are hidden, a parenthesized tab number is usually forced if the 'tied to' note is at the beginning of a line (i.e., the note is tied over a system break). * Likewise, parenthesized tab numbers are forced when a 'tied to' note begins a 2nd ending or Coda section. * A parenthesized chord in the Tab Staff are indicated with a single pair of parentheses surrounding all of the notes in the chord (as opposed to as single pair of parentheses around each individual note in the chord). I should have known that my rude attempt was way too simple :-) Additionally, parenthesized tab numbers figure in released bends. Incidentally, I'm about to submit to the LilyPond-Tab community the first few entries in the catalog of desired tab features and they deal with some simple bends. I was going to try to make a comprehensive list of all 'finger-bend' situations, but that is turning out to be more work than I realized. So, instead I'm doing a short set of the most common bend situations so that this can get rolling sooner. Great! As I see, you are the right person for this job. I think, the bends are the most difficult part of the tablature extension, and when we solve that, most other smaller features are done "on the fly". Greetings, Marc Cheers, David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
David Stocker wrote: Marc Hohl wrote: I think you should also add: \override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t Yes, of course. But then another problem occurs: if the tie isn't visible, it looks as if there are two distinct notes. Therefore, I think strongly about a scheme function (which at the end should be hidden in the TabVoice-context) which translates, e.g. c4 d e2 ~ e4. e8 to c4 d e2 s4. e8 so the spurious tablature number disappears in the output. From earlier postings I knew that there are several functions about automatically calculating intervals etc., but I'm a scheme newbie. So I would be glad if someone out there would give me a hint how to start writing such a function. It should be noted that a publishing standard is when there is a Note Staff + Tab Staff, tied notes (that is, the notes that are 'held') in the Tab Staff are indicated by parenthesizing the tab number(s). There are several conventions that are related to tied notes in a Notes+Tab situation: * Tab numbers that are 'tied to' are sometimes parenthesized, sometimes hidden. * In the case that 'tied to' notes are hidden, a parenthesized tab number is usually forced if the 'tied to' note is at the beginning of a line (i.e., the note is tied over a system break). * Likewise, parenthesized tab numbers are forced when a 'tied to' note begins a 2nd ending or Coda section. * A parenthesized chord in the Tab Staff are indicated with a single pair of parentheses surrounding all of the notes in the chord (as opposed to as single pair of parentheses around each individual note in the chord). Additionally, parenthesized tab numbers figure in released bends. Incidentally, I'm about to submit to the LilyPond-Tab community the first few entries in the catalog of desired tab features and they deal with some simple bends. I was going to try to make a comprehensive list of all 'finger-bend' situations, but that is turning out to be more work than I realized. So, instead I'm doing a short set of the most common bend situations so that this can get rolling sooner. Great to have an tablature expert amongst us. We 're looking forward to your list David! \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
On 4/1/09 1:09 AM, "Marc Hohl" wrote:
> Carl D. Sorensen schrieb:
>>
>>
> Would it be easier to define two separate staff commands? In my files, I
> define
>
> noten = \relative c { c d e f }
>
> and feed this into a Staff AND a TabStaff. So, why not create a compound
> Staff (called \MusicTabStaff, for example),
> which does exactly the same as
>
> << \Staff { \noten } \TabStaff { \numbersOnly \noten } >>
>
> and uses only the numbers, whereas \TabStaff (as defined in lilypond) is
> used in the cases where
> no regular staves are needed and thus shows up everything (stems, slurs
> etc.)?
There are at least two ways to go with this.
The first is to have a StaffGroup that includes a Staff and a TabStaff. It
would be something like a PianoStaff. I don't know the details of how that
would word, but I suspect it could be done.
The second would be to write a simple music function with one argument (call
it myMusic) that expands to
<< \new Staff { myMusic} \new TabStaff {\numbersOnly \myMusic
\undoNumbersOnly} >>
This music function would be a simple substitution function>. You can use
those in Notation Reference 6.1.2 as examples.
>
>> When the decision is made, and it's ready for submission to LilyPond, the
>> defaults will be established in ly/engraver-init.ly
>>
>> The commands for changing from one to the other will be established in
>> ly/property-init.ly.
>>
>> Marc, once you've got consensus, you can make the changes and roll me a
>> patch, and I'll apply it.
>>
>>
> Ok, but I think we are just at the beginning of the topic. The more I
> think about tablature features/defaults,
> the more complicated it gets ;-)
Oh, absolutely. But it's not necessary to add everything all at once.
While we're in a development cycle (2.13), we can add features a little bit
at a time, and hopefully be close to done by the time we release 2.14.
Carl
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Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Marc Hohl wrote: I think you should also add: \override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t Yes, of course. But then another problem occurs: if the tie isn't visible, it looks as if there are two distinct notes. Therefore, I think strongly about a scheme function (which at the end should be hidden in the TabVoice-context) which translates, e.g. c4 d e2 ~ e4. e8 to c4 d e2 s4. e8 so the spurious tablature number disappears in the output. From earlier postings I knew that there are several functions about automatically calculating intervals etc., but I'm a scheme newbie. So I would be glad if someone out there would give me a hint how to start writing such a function. It should be noted that a publishing standard is when there is a Note Staff + Tab Staff, tied notes (that is, the notes that are 'held') in the Tab Staff are indicated by parenthesizing the tab number(s). There are several conventions that are related to tied notes in a Notes+Tab situation: * Tab numbers that are 'tied to' are sometimes parenthesized, sometimes hidden. * In the case that 'tied to' notes are hidden, a parenthesized tab number is usually forced if the 'tied to' note is at the beginning of a line (i.e., the note is tied over a system break). * Likewise, parenthesized tab numbers are forced when a 'tied to' note begins a 2nd ending or Coda section. * A parenthesized chord in the Tab Staff are indicated with a single pair of parentheses surrounding all of the notes in the chord (as opposed to as single pair of parentheses around each individual note in the chord). Additionally, parenthesized tab numbers figure in released bends. Incidentally, I'm about to submit to the LilyPond-Tab community the first few entries in the catalog of desired tab features and they deal with some simple bends. I was going to try to make a comprehensive list of all 'finger-bend' situations, but that is turning out to be more work than I realized. So, instead I'm doing a short set of the most common bend situations so that this can get rolling sooner. Cheers, David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Marc Hohl wrote: I think you should also add: \override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t Yes, of course. But then another problem occurs: if the tie isn't visible, it looks as if there are two distinct notes. Therefore, I think strongly about a scheme function (which at the end should be hidden in the TabVoice-context) which translates, e.g. c4 d e2 ~ e4. e8 to c4 d e2 s4. e8 so the spurious tablature number disappears in the output. From earlier postings I knew that there are several functions about automatically calculating intervals etc., but I'm a scheme newbie. So I would be glad if someone out there would give me a hint how to start writing such a function. You're right, good point. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
I think you should also add: \override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t Yes, of course. But then another problem occurs: if the tie isn't visible, it looks as if there are two distinct notes. Therefore, I think strongly about a scheme function (which at the end should be hidden in the TabVoice-context) which translates, e.g. c4 d e2 ~ e4. e8 to c4 d e2 s4. e8 so the spurious tablature number disappears in the output. From earlier postings I knew that there are several functions about automatically calculating intervals etc., but I'm a scheme newbie. So I would be glad if someone out there would give me a hint how to start writing such a function. I'm in doubt about that modern TAB sign... (all though it's always good to have some choices) I know most of the software / books display it like that, but should we follow that or fits the default tab sign better in Lilypond? \r Hm, personally I don't like the standard LilyPond tab sign, but it should be easy to switch between the two and leave the desicion to the user. Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Carl D. Sorensen schrieb:
If I understand correctly, you have a group of interested users who are
working on defining how Tablature should behave.
You also have a couple of tablature users who are interested in becoming
Frogs and thus joining the development team (Marc is one of them, IIRC).
When you have agreement as to what should be the default for tablature, then
it will be time to add the changes to the distribution (and Marc would be an
ideal person to do it).
Right now, as I understand it, there are some users who regularly have
TabStaffs without any other staff. These users need stems, beams, flags,
ties, slurs, etc.
There is also a group of users who regularly use TabStaff with Staff. These
users want only numbers, because the beams, stems, slurs, ties, etc. are all
in the regular music staff, and the TabStaff is only showing fret and string
information.
Yes, that's right. In songbooks you normally find regular music staves
with the additional
information about fret and string numbers, so the stems and stuff would
simply look too
complicated.
On the other hand, when I write down the intro of a song played by
guitar in tablature and the
rest of the song is simply the lyrics with some chords above, I want to
have the stems in the
tab to save space on the song sheet.
People who care strongly about tablature (of which I am *not* one) should be
the people who make the decision about what the default should be. In fact,
I don't think there's anybody on the core development team who is strongly
interested in tablature.
That being said, I don't think that the decision to make notes only or full
music the default is a very important decision, as long as there is a single
command to change to the other style.
Would it be easier to define two separate staff commands? In my files, I
define
noten = \relative c { c d e f }
and feed this into a Staff AND a TabStaff. So, why not create a compound
Staff (called \MusicTabStaff, for example),
which does exactly the same as
<< \Staff { \noten } \TabStaff { \numbersOnly \noten } >>
and uses only the numbers, whereas \TabStaff (as defined in lilypond) is
used in the cases where
no regular staves are needed and thus shows up everything (stems, slurs
etc.)?
When the decision is made, and it's ready for submission to LilyPond, the
defaults will be established in ly/engraver-init.ly
The commands for changing from one to the other will be established in
ly/property-init.ly.
Marc, once you've got consensus, you can make the changes and roll me a
patch, and I'll apply it.
Ok, but I think we are just at the beginning of the topic. The more I
think about tablature features/defaults,
the more complicated it gets ;-)
Marc
Thanks,
Carl
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Re: invisible slurs in tablature
On 3/31/09 2:46 PM, "Grammostola Rosea" wrote:
> Grammostola Rosea wrote:
>> Marc Hohl wrote:
>>> Grammostola Rosea schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>> Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs, Dots,
>>> Stems etc. default imo.
>>>
>> I don't know whether this should be the default, but it should be
>> archieved with a simple
>> command, like \tabNumbersOnly (which isn't defined yet).
>>
>> Marc
> I agree, all though I'm thinking the other way around:
>
> \tabNumbers
>
Uh no that is not what I meant. I meant that I rather have to set
things on instead of off...
So as I see it now, default is \tabNumersOnly and if you want to add
stems etc there is a command for it.
A command to set all such features (stems, dots, Tie etc.) on, would
be nice maybe?
\tabSignsAll (or something like that)
\r
>>> I don't know how to make the stems and such disappear by default, but
>>> using a simple command
>>> isn't that much effort. I have attached my tablature.ly which allows to
>>> switch between the "normal" and
>>> the "numbers only" settings. Both versions feature a modern tab clef. I
>>> Comments, improvements etc. are welcome!
>>>
>>> Marc
>> Thanks for your work Marc! :)
>>
>> Maybe some lily devs can discuss how to make it default and make it
>> possible to add things (dots, stems etc.).
>>
>> I tested it a bit and it seems to work ok. I don't know if
>> articulations etc belongs in tab too?
>>
>> for example:
>>
>> \version "2.12.2"
>> \include "tablature.ly"
>>
>> tab = {
>> \time 3/4
>> c4. d-_( e\varcoda)
>> ->f g~ a\prall g\thumb e-. f-. g-.
>> \times 3/4 { b~ c d c }
>> }
>>
>> \score {
>> \new TabStaff = "guitar numbers only" { \tabNumbersOnly \tab }
>> }
>>
>> \score {
>> \new TabStaff = "guitar full tab" { \tabNumbersAndStems \tab }
>> }
>>
>>
> I think you should also add:
>
> \override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t
>
>
>
If I understand correctly, you have a group of interested users who are
working on defining how Tablature should behave.
You also have a couple of tablature users who are interested in becoming
Frogs and thus joining the development team (Marc is one of them, IIRC).
When you have agreement as to what should be the default for tablature, then
it will be time to add the changes to the distribution (and Marc would be an
ideal person to do it).
Right now, as I understand it, there are some users who regularly have
TabStaffs without any other staff. These users need stems, beams, flags,
ties, slurs, etc.
There is also a group of users who regularly use TabStaff with Staff. These
users want only numbers, because the beams, stems, slurs, ties, etc. are all
in the regular music staff, and the TabStaff is only showing fret and string
information.
People who care strongly about tablature (of which I am *not* one) should be
the people who make the decision about what the default should be. In fact,
I don't think there's anybody on the core development team who is strongly
interested in tablature.
That being said, I don't think that the decision to make notes only or full
music the default is a very important decision, as long as there is a single
command to change to the other style.
When the decision is made, and it's ready for submission to LilyPond, the
defaults will be established in ly/engraver-init.ly
The commands for changing from one to the other will be established in
ly/property-init.ly.
Marc, once you've got consensus, you can make the changes and roll me a
patch, and I'll apply it.
Thanks,
Carl
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Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Marc Hohl wrote:
Grammostola Rosea schrieb:
Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs,
Dots, Stems etc. default imo.
I don't know whether this should be the default, but it should be
archieved with a simple
command, like \tabNumbersOnly (which isn't defined yet).
Marc
I agree, all though I'm thinking the other way around:
\tabNumbers
Uh no that is not what I meant. I meant that I rather have to set
things on instead of off...
So as I see it now, default is \tabNumersOnly and if you want to
add stems etc there is a command for it.
A command to set all such features (stems, dots, Tie etc.) on,
would be nice maybe?
\tabSignsAll (or something like that)
\r
I don't know how to make the stems and such disappear by default, but
using a simple command
isn't that much effort. I have attached my tablature.ly which allows to
switch between the "normal" and
the "numbers only" settings. Both versions feature a modern tab clef. I
don't know whether the
time signature should disappear by default, but I use the NumbersOnly
settings only when a normal
staff and a tab staff are displayed together.
Comments, improvements etc. are welcome!
Marc
Thanks for your work Marc! :)
Maybe some lily devs can discuss how to make it default and make it
possible to add things (dots, stems etc.).
I tested it a bit and it seems to work ok. I don't know if
articulations etc belongs in tab too?
for example:
\version "2.12.2"
\include "tablature.ly"
tab = {
\time 3/4
c4. d-_( e\varcoda)
->f g~ a\prall g\thumb e-. f-. g-.
\times 3/4 { b~ c d c }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar numbers only" { \tabNumbersOnly \tab }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar full tab" { \tabNumbersAndStems \tab }
}
I think you should also add:
\override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t
I'm in doubt about that modern TAB sign... (all though it's always good
to have some choices)
I know most of the software / books display it like that, but should we
follow that or fits the default tab sign better in Lilypond?
\r
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Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Marc Hohl wrote:
Grammostola Rosea schrieb:
Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs, Dots,
Stems etc. default imo.
I don't know whether this should be the default, but it should be
archieved with a simple
command, like \tabNumbersOnly (which isn't defined yet).
Marc
I agree, all though I'm thinking the other way around:
\tabNumbers
Uh no that is not what I meant. I meant that I rather have to set
things on instead of off...
So as I see it now, default is \tabNumersOnly and if you want to add
stems etc there is a command for it.
A command to set all such features (stems, dots, Tie etc.) on, would
be nice maybe?
\tabSignsAll (or something like that)
\r
I don't know how to make the stems and such disappear by default, but
using a simple command
isn't that much effort. I have attached my tablature.ly which allows to
switch between the "normal" and
the "numbers only" settings. Both versions feature a modern tab clef. I
don't know whether the
time signature should disappear by default, but I use the NumbersOnly
settings only when a normal
staff and a tab staff are displayed together.
Comments, improvements etc. are welcome!
Marc
Thanks for your work Marc! :)
Maybe some lily devs can discuss how to make it default and make it
possible to add things (dots, stems etc.).
I tested it a bit and it seems to work ok. I don't know if
articulations etc belongs in tab too?
for example:
\version "2.12.2"
\include "tablature.ly"
tab = {
\time 3/4
c4. d-_( e\varcoda)
->f g~ a\prall g\thumb e-. f-. g-.
\times 3/4 { b~ c d c }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar numbers only" { \tabNumbersOnly \tab }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar full tab" { \tabNumbersAndStems \tab }
}
I think you should also add:
\override TabVoice.Tie #'transparent = ##t
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Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Marc Hohl wrote:
Grammostola Rosea schrieb:
Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs, Dots,
Stems etc. default imo.
I don't know whether this should be the default, but it should be
archieved with a simple
command, like \tabNumbersOnly (which isn't defined yet).
Marc
I agree, all though I'm thinking the other way around:
\tabNumbers
Uh no that is not what I meant. I meant that I rather have to set
things on instead of off...
So as I see it now, default is \tabNumersOnly and if you want to add
stems etc there is a command for it.
A command to set all such features (stems, dots, Tie etc.) on, would
be nice maybe?
\tabSignsAll (or something like that)
\r
I don't know how to make the stems and such disappear by default, but
using a simple command
isn't that much effort. I have attached my tablature.ly which allows to
switch between the "normal" and
the "numbers only" settings. Both versions feature a modern tab clef. I
don't know whether the
time signature should disappear by default, but I use the NumbersOnly
settings only when a normal
staff and a tab staff are displayed together.
Comments, improvements etc. are welcome!
Marc
Thanks for your work Marc! :)
Maybe some lily devs can discuss how to make it default and make it
possible to add things (dots, stems etc.).
I tested it a bit and it seems to work ok. I don't know if articulations
etc belongs in tab too?
for example:
\version "2.12.2"
\include "tablature.ly"
tab = {
\time 3/4
c4. d-_( e\varcoda)
->f g~ a\prall g\thumb e-. f-. g-.
\times 3/4 { b~ c d c }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar numbers only" { \tabNumbersOnly \tab }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar full tab" { \tabNumbersAndStems \tab }
}
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Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Grammostola Rosea schrieb:
Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs, Dots,
Stems etc. default imo.
I don't know whether this should be the default, but it should be
archieved with a simple
command, like \tabNumbersOnly (which isn't defined yet).
Marc
I agree, all though I'm thinking the other way around:
\tabNumbers
Uh no that is not what I meant. I meant that I rather have to set
things on instead of off...
So as I see it now, default is \tabNumersOnly and if you want to add
stems etc there is a command for it.
A command to set all such features (stems, dots, Tie etc.) on, would
be nice maybe?
\tabSignsAll (or something like that)
\r
I don't know how to make the stems and such disappear by default, but
using a simple command
isn't that much effort. I have attached my tablature.ly which allows to
switch between the "normal" and
the "numbers only" settings. Both versions feature a modern tab clef. I
don't know whether the
time signature should disappear by default, but I use the NumbersOnly
settings only when a normal
staff and a tab staff are displayed together.
Comments, improvements etc. are welcome!
Marc
% tablature.ly
% ein schönerer TAB-Schlüssel
% http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=323
gitTAB = \markup {
\raise #1.5 {
\override #'(font-family . sans)
\bold\huge
\override #'(baseline-skip . 2.5)
\column { "T" "A" "B" }
}
}
modernTABClef = {
\override TabStaff.Clef #'stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
\override TabStaff.Clef #'text = #gitTAB
}
tabNumbersOnly = {
% no time signature
\override TabStaff.TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t
% no stems, beams, dots
\override TabVoice.Stem #'transparent = ##t
\override TabVoice.Beam #'transparent = ##t
\override TabVoice.Dots #'transparent = ##t
\override TabVoice.Slur #'transparent = ##t
% no tuplet stuff
\override TabVoice.TupletBracket #'transparent = ##t
\override TabVoice.TupletNumber #'transparent = ##t
% modern TAB clef
\modernTABClef
}
tabNumbersAndStems = {
\revert TabStaff.TimeSignature #'transparent
\revert TabVoice.Stem #'transparent
\revert TabVoice.Beam #'transparent
\revert TabVoice.Dots #'transparent
\revert TabVoice.Slur #'transparent
\revert TabVoice.TupletBracket #'transparent
\revert TabVoice.TupletNumber #'transparent
\modernTABClef
}
\version "2.12.2"
\include "tablature.ly"
tab = {
\time 3/4
c4 d( e)
f g a
\times 3/4 { b c d c }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar numbers only" { \tabNumbersOnly \tab }
}
\score {
\new TabStaff = "guitar full tab" { \tabNumbersAndStems \tab }
}
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Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Grammostola Rosea wrote: Marc Hohl wrote: Grammostola Rosea schrieb: Neil Puttock wrote: 2009/3/28 Grammostola Rosea : Hi, I want to get invisible slurs in tablature... how? Simply \override Slur #'transparent in the same way as you've done for the other objects in your TabStaff context. Why aren't you using ties though (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Writing-rhythms#Ties)? You're right, thanks! Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs, Dots, Stems etc. default imo. I don't know whether this should be the default, but it should be archieved with a simple command, like \tabNumbersOnly (which isn't defined yet). Marc I agree, all though I'm thinking the other way around: \tabNumbers Uh no that is not what I meant. I meant that I rather have to set things on instead of off... So as I see it now, default is \tabNumersOnly and if you want to add stems etc there is a command for it. A command to set all such features (stems, dots, Tie etc.) on, would be nice maybe? \tabSignsAll (or something like that) \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: invisible slurs in tablature
Marc Hohl wrote: Grammostola Rosea schrieb: Neil Puttock wrote: 2009/3/28 Grammostola Rosea : Hi, I want to get invisible slurs in tablature... how? Simply \override Slur #'transparent in the same way as you've done for the other objects in your TabStaff context. Why aren't you using ties though (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Writing-rhythms#Ties)? You're right, thanks! Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs, Dots, Stems etc. default imo. I don't know whether this should be the default, but it should be archieved with a simple command, like \tabNumbersOnly (which isn't defined yet). Marc I agree, all though I'm thinking the other way around: \tabNumbers Regards, \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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Neil Puttock wrote: 2009/3/28 Grammostola Rosea : Hi, I want to get invisible slurs in tablature... how? Simply \override Slur #'transparent in the same way as you've done for the other objects in your TabStaff context. Why aren't you using ties though (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Writing-rhythms#Ties)? You're right, thanks! Btw it's time to make tablature with invisible Ties, Slurs, Dots, Stems etc. default imo. \r ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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2009/3/28 Grammostola Rosea : > > Hi, > > I want to get invisible slurs in tablature... how? Simply \override Slur #'transparent in the same way as you've done for the other objects in your TabStaff context. Why aren't you using ties though (http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Writing-rhythms#Ties)? Regards, Neil ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
