Re: manually set visual size of a measure

[Urs Liska]

Am 8. Dezember 2014 14:12:20 MEZ, schrieb Kieren MacMillan 
:
>Hi Andrew,
>
>> It seems frustrating to be defeated by a composer with a pencil and a
>ruler.
>
>Only if you think computers are better than humans…   ;)
>
>In any case, why not just have a second voice with a hidden
>MultiMeasureRest, and force the length (x-extent) of that?
>I’ve used that trick many times before — it gives you almost total
>control over the width of a given measure.
>(The only limitation is that you can’t use it force a measure to be
>*smaller* than the content demands.)
>
>Hope this helps!
>Kieren.

Sounds great, I'll check it out ASAP.
I've been thinking about a way to overlay a score on its manuscript (for the 
new manuscript viewer in Trescobaldi)...

Urs

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Re: manually set visual size of a measure

[Urs Liska]

Am 8. Dezember 2014 13:45:18 MEZ, schrieb Andrew Bernard 
:
>This relates closely to the question I am perennially asking concerning
>proportional notation.
>
>Is there any conceivable way in lilypond to specify a fixed and
>absolute length for a measure, such as 3cm?
>
>Lilypond proportional notation seems to break down in this area when
>you are continually changing time signatures. Or at least, I cannot get
>any version to produce uniform length bars. I’d be happy just with
>uniform length bars even if we can’t get an absolute size in
>millimetres for example.
>
>Does this require hacking the deep internals of the layout engines, or
>is it simply impossible?
>
>The scores I need to set are by a colleague who is a contemporary
>composer who uses a strict 3cm = 1 second metric, and I am unable to
>engrave the works (with any known tool). It seems frustrating to be
>defeated by a composer with a pencil and a ruler.

Hihi, that's what I say so often, thanks for the use case (quite obvious but 
escaped me so far).

I'm just preparing an interview on Scores of Beauty where I intend to ask 
composers how their different notation tools affect their creativity.

Urs
>
>Andrew
>
>
>> On 8 Dec 2014, at 20:53, Gerjan Piksen 
>wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> While I wan’t my time signature to stay the same I would like to
>manually set the length of a measure. 
>
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Re: manually set visual size of a measure

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Andrew,

> It seems frustrating to be defeated by a composer with a pencil and a ruler.

Only if you think computers are better than humans…   ;)

In any case, why not just have a second voice with a hidden MultiMeasureRest, 
and force the length (x-extent) of that?
I’ve used that trick many times before — it gives you almost total control over 
the width of a given measure.
(The only limitation is that you can’t use it force a measure to be *smaller* 
than the content demands.)

Hope this helps!
Kieren.
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Re: manually set visual size of a measure

[Gerjan Piksen]

"Is there any conceivable way in lilypond to specify a fixed and absolute 
length for a measure, such as 3cm?

Lilypond proportional notation seems to break down in this area when you are 
continually changing time signatures.”

Do you mean that it is possible to set a length such as 3cm for a measure if 
you don’t continually changing time signatures?


> On 08 Dec 2014, at 13:45, Andrew Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Is there any conceivable way in lilypond to specify a fixed and absolute 
> length for a measure, such as 3cm?
> 
> Lilypond proportional notation seems to break down in this area when you are 
> continually changing time signatures.

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Re: manually set visual size of a measure

[Gerjan Piksen]

This is exactly my problem!
> On 08 Dec 2014, at 13:45, Andrew Bernard  wrote:
> 
> This relates closely to the question I am perennially asking concerning 
> proportional notation.
> 
> Is there any conceivable way in lilypond to specify a fixed and absolute 
> length for a measure, such as 3cm?
> 
> Lilypond proportional notation seems to break down in this area when you are 
> continually changing time signatures. Or at least, I cannot get any version 
> to produce uniform length bars. I’d be happy just with uniform length bars 
> even if we can’t get an absolute size in millimetres for example.
> 
> Does this require hacking the deep internals of the layout engines, or is it 
> simply impossible?
> 
> The scores I need to set are by a colleague who is a contemporary composer 
> who uses a strict 3cm = 1 second metric, and I am unable to engrave the works 
> (with any known tool). It seems frustrating to be defeated by a composer with 
> a pencil and a ruler.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
>> On 8 Dec 2014, at 20:53, Gerjan Piksen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> While I wan’t my time signature to stay the same I would like to manually 
>> set the length of a measure. 
> 
> 
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Re: manually set visual size of a measure

[Andrew Bernard]

This relates closely to the question I am perennially asking concerning 
proportional notation.

Is there any conceivable way in lilypond to specify a fixed and absolute length 
for a measure, such as 3cm?

Lilypond proportional notation seems to break down in this area when you are 
continually changing time signatures. Or at least, I cannot get any version to 
produce uniform length bars. I’d be happy just with uniform length bars even if 
we can’t get an absolute size in millimetres for example.

Does this require hacking the deep internals of the layout engines, or is it 
simply impossible?

The scores I need to set are by a colleague who is a contemporary composer who 
uses a strict 3cm = 1 second metric, and I am unable to engrave the works (with 
any known tool). It seems frustrating to be defeated by a composer with a 
pencil and a ruler.

Andrew


> On 8 Dec 2014, at 20:53, Gerjan Piksen  wrote:
> 
> 
> While I wan’t my time signature to stay the same I would like to manually set 
> the length of a measure. 


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