RE: partial rearrangement done, technical problems

2007-09-22 Thread Trevor Daniels

Graham

 Remember that I'm totally open to renaming this 
 chapter name (if we keep
 it as a chapter).  I'll do it as soon as I get 
 something better than
 Purpose-specific notation.
 

OK.  No objection to keeping them if the heading
is broadened.  So I tried headings like
esoteric topics, arcane incantations, and
rejected them all.  Going off to make a cup of
coffee I asked my wife what she would suggest.
She said instantly, Specialist topics or
Topics for Specialists.  I could add 
Specialist Notation or Notation for 
Specialists.  Any of these any good?
I prefer the last one.

Trevor




___
lilypond-user mailing list
lilypond-user@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user


Re: partial rearrangement done, technical problems

2007-09-22 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 22.09.2007 (11:09), Trevor Daniels wrote:
   Going off to make a cup of
 coffee I asked my wife what she would suggest.
 She said instantly, Specialist topics or
 Topics for Specialists.  I could add 
 Specialist Notation or Notation for 
 Specialists.  Any of these any good?
 I prefer the last one.

I think your wife is a genius. I like it. I prefer Specialist
notation because one doesn't have to be a specialist to need
'specialist notation'. 
Great idea. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.

Eyolf


-- 
At the end of the money I always have some month left.


___
lilypond-user mailing list
lilypond-user@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user


Re: partial rearrangement done, technical problems

2007-09-22 Thread Valentin Villenave
2007/9/22, Eyolf Østrem [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 22.09.2007 (11:09), Trevor Daniels wrote:
Going off to make a cup of
  coffee I asked my wife what she would suggest.
  She said instantly, Specialist topics or
  Topics for Specialists.  I could add
  Specialist Notation or Notation for
  Specialists.  Any of these any good?
  I prefer the last one.

 I think your wife is a genius. I like it. I prefer Specialist
 notation because one doesn't have to be a specialist to need
 'specialist notation'.
 Great idea. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.

+1 for specialist notation

I had proposed Specific Notation, but I guess it isn't very... specific :)

Valentin


___
lilypond-user mailing list
lilypond-user@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user


Re: partial rearrangement done, technical problems

2007-09-22 Thread Graham Percival

Trevor Daniels wrote:

 Going off to make a cup of
coffee I asked my wife what she would suggest.
She said instantly, Specialist topics or
Topics for Specialists.  I could add 
Specialist Notation or Notation for 
Specialists.  Any of these any good?

I prefer the last one.


I agree with other people; you've got a smart wife.  :)   I prefer 
specialist notation; as Eyolf said, you don't need to be a specialist 
to write it.


Cheers,
- Graham


___
lilypond-user mailing list
lilypond-user@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user


RE: partial rearrangement done, technical problems

2007-09-21 Thread Trevor Daniels

Graham (late cc to list)

 GENERAL DISCUSSION

 - I still like the division of musical notation /
 instrument-specific? No?  Nobody else?

Well, yes - at least one other likes it.  But only if every
sub-section within it concerns an actual instrument, and the
list of instruments is complete (at least as far as the
instrument-specific parts of LP are concerned).  So the
sub-sections should not include Chord Names nor Ancient
Notation - these should be sections in 1. Musical
Notation.

I don't like a the name Other instrument-specific.  Just
drop it and promote Orchestral Strings and Bagpipes to sub-
sections.  This section then becomes easily extensible in
the future to include further instruments that also have
instrument-specific notation.

Why do I prefer it?  Well, it separates out those parts
of the manual which are of interest only if you are writing
for that particular instrument.  Others can simply ignore
sections that don't concern them.  In effect it shortens
the manual without removing anything.

 - Assuming that the technical issues are solved,
 how do you want these
 merged subsections to look?  Specifically,
 consider 1.2.3. Displaying
 rhythms.  There's

 Time signature
 - @commonprop
 - @seealso
 - @refbugs
 Upbeats
 - @refbugs
 Unmetered music
 - @refbugs
 ...
 Automatic note splitting
 - @refbugs
 - @seealso


 Do you like this format, or would you prefer one
 @commonprop at the end
 of each page?  Do you want links to LSR stuff at
 the end of each
 portion, or just one set of links at the bottom
 of the page?

Assuming that the links to each of the sub-sections
will take you to that sub-section within the page and
not the top of the page, then I prefer this format.
The bottom of the page is too far away for all the
links to be there.

 ... and are you guys _sure_ you prefer the manual
 like this?

Yes.  Although I would prefer a click on, for example,
1.2 Rhythms to return a monster page containing all
the contained sub-sections rather than just the TOC for
that section.  This would permit a more comprehensive
search for anything that was to do with rhythms but
which did not fall obviously in any of the sub-sections,
for example hemiola (which actually appears nowhere).
If this is technically possible and does not give
rise to serious maintenance issues maybe this could
be extended to chapters too.


 Cheers,
 - Graham

Trevor (D)






___
lilypond-user mailing list
lilypond-user@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user


Re: partial rearrangement done, technical problems

2007-09-21 Thread Graham Percival

Trevor Daniels wrote:

Well, yes - at least one other likes it.  But only if every
sub-section within it concerns an actual instrument, and the
list of instruments is complete (at least as far as the
instrument-specific parts of LP are concerned).


There's wide support (well, two people) for promoting Strings and
Bagpipes as main sections, so I'll reinstate them.

Remember that I'm totally open to renaming this chapter name (if we keep
it as a chapter).  I'll do it as soon as I get something better than
Purpose-specific notation.


 So the
sub-sections should not include Chord Names nor Ancient
Notation - these should be sections in 1. Musical
Notation.

...

Why do I prefer it?  Well, it separates out those parts
of the manual which are of interest only if you are writing
for that particular instrument.  Others can simply ignore
sections that don't concern them.  In effect it shortens
the manual without removing anything.


I completely agree with this reasoning (that's why I did it in the first
place)... but this applies to Ancient and Chord names.  As a string
player, I've never used that stuff, so IMO they make sense to be in
chapter 2.  Whatever we end up calling that chapter.


If this is technically possible and does not give
rise to serious maintenance issues maybe this could
be extended to chapters too.


In theory, it's technically possible.  In practice, it isn't.  Sorry.  :(

- Graham



___
lilypond-user mailing list
lilypond-user@gnu.org
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user