Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Richard Shann-2 wrote >> >> searching for the *word* q would help: >> > > ??? I tried both indices, clicked on the alphabetical Q link and got a > list which doesn't include "q", what else could I do? see above Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Shape-of-individual-ties-in-chords-tp158120p158410.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:44 AM, David Kastrup wrote:
> Simon Bailey writes:
>> two i can think of:
>> - it can't be quoted (at least i haven't found the correct event to
>> quote yet)
>
> I think that this will be fixed as a side effect of
> http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3810>.
cool. i _really_ like the new rhythm syntax. :)
> and of course, you can always call \chordRepeats explicitly on the music
> you want to quote.
first time i've heard about that function. :) yes, it's in the
documentation, but only as a way to repeat event types on chords --
doesn't explicitly state that it would expand q to become the chords
in music expressions [but makes sense if you think outside of the box
a bit].
>> - it can't be altered with relative octave-switch commands
>
> Well, it would be so weird behavior in a \relative section that I'm
> actually glad about that. Why would you even want to do that?
in the piano music i've been typesetting over the last few months,
i've come across a lot of chords that jump around in octaves -- being
able to octave a chord repetition would sometimes be handy. a very
trivial example:
%%% SNIPSNAP %%%
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "up" \relative c' { 2 2 }
\new Staff = "down" \relative c { \clef bass 2 2 }
}
%%% SNAPSNIP %%%
could conceivably be written as:
%%% SNIPSNAP %%%
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff = "up" \relative c' { 2 q' }
\new Staff = "down" \relative c { \clef bass 2 q, }
}
%%% SNAPSNIP %%%
may or may not be a fringe case.
regards,
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Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
David Kastrup writes: > Simon Bailey writes: [ q ] >> two i can think of: >> - it can't be quoted (at least i haven't found the correct event to >> quote yet) > > I think that this will be fixed as a side effect of > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3810>. and of course, you can always call \chordRepeats explicitly on the music you want to quote. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Simon Bailey writes: > James, > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM, James wrote: >>> there's a few things which are only documented in the learning manual. :) >>> >>> >> Actually I would change that last sentence to read: >> >> There's a few things which are not documented in the Learning Manual. >> >> And this is a deliberate decision. If not, it's still a good decision. > > i realised my mistake almost as soon as i pressed send. the link i > sent is to the NR and there's an amazing amount of information not > covered in the LM. Correctly so. > >> I don't see q as being needed in the Learning Manual as a good thing; apart >> from all the discussion how 'q' is a rather arbitrary 'command' - why 'q'? >> what does 'q' stand for etc., not knowing q doesn't lose you any >> functionality (i.e. there is nothing that q does that you cannot already do >> with the 'correct' syntax) but there are limitations using q - which >> are/should be documented in the Notation Reference. > > two i can think of: > - it can't be quoted (at least i haven't found the correct event to > quote yet) I think that this will be fixed as a side effect of http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3810>. > - it can't be altered with relative octave-switch commands Well, it would be so weird behavior in a \relative section that I'm actually glad about that. Why would you even want to do that? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 01:36 -0800, Eluze wrote: > Richard Shann-2 wrote > > [...] > > I noticed the mysterious synatx q that appears. I tried looking this > up in > > the two indices > > without success. > > [...] > > I wonder what exactly it is all about > > and why I can't find it documented... > > searching for the *word* q would help: > > one place you'll find it is /E. LilyPond index/ , but in /D. LilyPond > command index/ it's missing, indeed ??? I tried both indices, clicked on the alphabetical Q link and got a list which doesn't include "q", what else could I do? Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
James, On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM, James wrote: >> there's a few things which are only documented in the learning manual. :) >> >> > Actually I would change that last sentence to read: > > There's a few things which are not documented in the Learning Manual. > > And this is a deliberate decision. If not, it's still a good decision. i realised my mistake almost as soon as i pressed send. the link i sent is to the NR and there's an amazing amount of information not covered in the LM. Correctly so. > I don't see q as being needed in the Learning Manual as a good thing; apart > from all the discussion how 'q' is a rather arbitrary 'command' - why 'q'? > what does 'q' stand for etc., not knowing q doesn't lose you any > functionality (i.e. there is nothing that q does that you cannot already do > with the 'correct' syntax) but there are limitations using q - which > are/should be documented in the Notation Reference. two i can think of: - it can't be quoted (at least i haven't found the correct event to quote yet) - it can't be altered with relative octave-switch commands > As to the quote: > > there's a few things which are only documented in the learning manual. :) > > That implies that we're missing things in the NR that shoudl be in there. If > so then let the list know (lilypond-...@gnu.org) and that can be fixed. i remember looking for something fairly basic a while back and only finding it in the LM. at the time, i decided that it deserves to be in the LM and may not really be needed in the NR. however, for the life of me, i cannot remember what it was i was looking for. :) if i come across it again, i'll shout. ;) regards, sb -- Do not meddle in the affairs of trombonists, for they are subtle and quick to anger. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Eluze writes:
> Richard Shann-2 wrote
>> [...]
>> I noticed the mysterious synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in
>> the two indices
>> without success.
>> [...]
>> I wonder what exactly it is all about
>> and why I can't find it documented...
>
> searching for the *word* q would help:
>
> one place you'll find it is /E. LilyPond index/ , but in /D. LilyPond
> command index/ it's missing, indeed
>
> I wonder, after the introduction of repeating pitches and chords with
> a simple duration in 2.19.1(?), if there is good reason to keep this
> command!?
It's different. For one thing, it's chord-only, so it helps in
situations like
{ \partial 8 g8 | 4 r8 g 4 r8 g | 1 | }
In particular the "Oom-pah" kind of "alternating basses" accompaniment
used with accordions and also in a number of basic piano styles (like
ragtime) benefit (it makes it quite easier to recognize in the input
that the interspersed chords remain identical).
{ c g, ...
For another, q carries forward articulations (and on demand, fingering,
though this could be made less relevant when someone chooses to work on
issue http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3662>).
The main incentive for doing the "fascinating rhythm" patch was not
actually being able to simplify repeated pitches, but to have a
representation for purely rhythmic material.
Of course, with things like
tamb 4. 8 4 4
there is a bit of overlap since it _starts_ with a "pitch" that is later
"repeated" throughout the part.
It's conceivable that if pure rhythms were present before chord
repetitions, the latter would not have made it off the ground (even
alternating basses can be written as
{ << { c4 s g, s }
{ s s4 4 } >> }
if you really _must_). But the cat seems out of the bag far enough that
there is no point in stuffing it back again.
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Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
On 24/01/14 09:22, Simon Bailey wrote: hi, On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Shann wrote: Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about and why I can't find it documented... http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/single-voice#chord-repetition there's a few things which are only documented in the learning manual. :) Actually I would change that last sentence to read: There's a few things which are not documented in the Learning Manual. And this is a deliberate decision. If not, it's still a good decision. I don't see q as being needed in the Learning Manual as a good thing; apart from all the discussion how 'q' is a rather arbitrary 'command' - why 'q'? what does 'q' stand for etc., not knowing q doesn't lose you any functionality (i.e. there is nothing that q does that you cannot already do with the 'correct' syntax) but there are limitations using q - which are/should be documented in the Notation Reference. As to the quote: there's a few things which are only documented in the learning manual. :) That implies that we're missing things in the NR that shoudl be in there. If so then let the list know (lilypond-...@gnu.org) and that can be fixed. Thanks James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 10:31 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Richard Shann writes: > > > On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 10:26 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > >> Simon Bailey writes: > >> > >> > hi, > >> > > >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Shann > >> > wrote: > >> >> Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious > >> >> synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices > >> >> without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a > >> >> chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about > >> >> and why I can't find it documented... > >> > > >> > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/single-voice#chord-repetition > >> > > >> > there's a few things which are only documented in the learning > >> > manual. :) > >> > >> Not this one, though. > > > > So is this a bug with the documentation (incomplete indexing)? > > Well, we don't have c, cis, ces... indexed, either. Admittedly, we do > have r, s, and R in the index. yes, I was thinking about that - there is the language include file that would affect some of those, but to be practical, I don't recall ever noticing q in the past ten years or so of watching and using LilyPond (well, I virtually never have to write chords myself so perhaps it is not surprising) Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Richard Shann-2 wrote > [...] > I noticed the mysterious synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in > the two indices > without success. > [...] > I wonder what exactly it is all about > and why I can't find it documented... searching for the *word* q would help: one place you'll find it is /E. LilyPond index/ , but in /D. LilyPond command index/ it's missing, indeed I wonder, after the introduction of repeating pitches and chords with a simple duration in 2.19.1(?), if there is good reason to keep this command!? Eluze -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Shape-of-individual-ties-in-chords-tp158120p158389.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Richard Shann writes: > On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 10:26 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: >> Simon Bailey writes: >> >> > hi, >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Shann >> > wrote: >> >> Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious >> >> synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices >> >> without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a >> >> chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about >> >> and why I can't find it documented... >> > >> > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/single-voice#chord-repetition >> > >> > there's a few things which are only documented in the learning >> > manual. :) >> >> Not this one, though. > > So is this a bug with the documentation (incomplete indexing)? Well, we don't have c, cis, ces... indexed, either. Admittedly, we do have r, s, and R in the index. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 10:26 +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > Simon Bailey writes: > > > hi, > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Shann > > wrote: > >> Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious > >> synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices > >> without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a > >> chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about > >> and why I can't find it documented... > > > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/single-voice#chord-repetition > > > > there's a few things which are only documented in the learning > > manual. :) > > Not this one, though. So is this a bug with the documentation (incomplete indexing)? Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > Simon Bailey writes: > >> hi, >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Shann >> wrote: >>> Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious >>> synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices >>> without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a >>> chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about >>> and why I can't find it documented... >> >> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/single-voice#chord-repetition >> >> there's a few things which are only documented in the learning >> manual. :) > > Not this one, though. i was about to correct the error of my ways -- the link is to the NR not the LM. sorry :) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Simon Bailey writes: > hi, > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Shann > wrote: >> Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious >> synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices >> without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a >> chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about >> and why I can't find it documented... > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/single-voice#chord-repetition > > there's a few things which are only documented in the learning > manual. :) Not this one, though. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Richard Shann writes: > Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious > synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices > without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a > chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about > and why I can't find it documented... http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/single-voice#chord-repetition> -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
hi, On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Shann wrote: > Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious > synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices > without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a > chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about > and why I can't find it documented... http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/single-voice#chord-repetition there's a few things which are only documented in the learning manual. :) -- Do not meddle in the affairs of trombonists, for they are subtle and quick to anger. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Thanks for this - while playing around with it I noticed the mysterious synatx q that appears. I tried looking this up in the two indices without success. It causes a syntax error after a note but repeats a chord when placed after a chord. I wonder what exactly it is all about and why I can't find it documented... Richard On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 08:01 -0600, David Nalesnik wrote: > Hi, > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Thomas Morley > wrote: > > Below some coding just to show that it can be done. > It's a very first sketch, several issues are present (p.e. > linebreak) > Might be a starting point, though. > > > > There's also the attached file (which comes > from > http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/msg47432/shape-tie-columns.ly) > which will work with broken ties. > > > HTH, > David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
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Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Hi again, On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, David Nalesnik wrote: > Hi, > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Thomas Morley > wrote: > > >> Below some coding just to show that it can be done. >> It's a very first sketch, several issues are present (p.e. linebreak) >> Might be a starting point, though. >> >> > There's also the attached file (which comes from > http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/msg47432/shape-tie-columns.ly) > which will work with broken ties. > > I should point out that in the example, the first part of the broken ties is left alone: () there is equivalent to ((0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0)). --David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Hi,
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Thomas Morley wrote:
> Below some coding just to show that it can be done.
> It's a very first sketch, several issues are present (p.e. linebreak)
> Might be a starting point, though.
>
>
There's also the attached file (which comes from
http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/msg47432/shape-tie-columns.ly)
which will work with broken ties.
HTH,
David
\version "2.18.0"
function for offsetting control-points of a TieColumn %
shapeTieColumn =
#(define-music-function (parser location all-offsets) (list?)
#{
\once \override TieColumn #'after-line-breaking =
#(lambda (grob)
(let ((ties (ly:grob-array->list (ly:grob-object grob 'ties
(for-each
(lambda (tie offsets-for-broken-pair)
(let* ((orig (ly:grob-original tie))
(siblings (ly:spanner-broken-into orig)))
(for-each
(lambda (piece offsets-for-piece)
(if (pair? offsets-for-piece)
(set! (ly:grob-property piece 'control-points)
(map
(lambda (x y) (coord-translate x y))
(ly:tie::calc-control-points piece)
offsets-for-piece
(if (null? siblings)
(list orig)
siblings)
offsets-for-broken-pair)))
ties all-offsets)))
#})
%% EXAMPLE %
{
1 ~
\break
q
\break
q ~
\shapeTieColumn #'(
( () ((0 . 1) (0 . 1) (0 . 1) (0 . 1)) )
( () ((0 . -0.1) (0.5 . -0.4) (1.5 . -0.4) (2 . -0.1)))
( () ((0 . -2) (0 . -1) (0 . -1) (0 . -1)) ) )
\break
q
}
\layout {
indent = 0
ragged-right = ##t
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Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
2014/1/17 David Kastrup :
> Richard Shann writes:
>
>> Reading over the documentation on changing the tie shape for ties in
>> chords I gather that it is not possible to do this at all:
>>
>> http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/modifying-shapes#modifying-ties-and-slurs
>
>> It is not possible to modify shapes of ties or slurs by changing the
>> control-points property if there are multiple ties or slurs at the
>> same musical moment – the \tweak command will also not work in this
>> case. However, the tie-configuration property of TieColumn can be
>> overridden to set start line and direction as required.
>>
>> I think the documents should be more up front about that. Saying it is
>> not possible to do it one way, or another way, and then going on to
>> describe something else that *is* possible is a bit of weasel-wording.
>> Unless, that is, there is actually some LilyPond syntax to do this.
>
> Redirected to developer list.
>
> This is one case where I think it would make more sense to relinquish
> the restrictions rather than document them. It seems like this would
> require transferring properties and/or tweaks from tie events to the
> tie-configuration of TieColumn. There probably is already some issue in
> the bug tracker for this.
>
> Backend guys, any ideas?
>
> --
> David Kastrup
Hi,
sorry for the late reply, I was completely off for some time.
Below some coding just to show that it can be done.
It's a very first sketch, several issues are present (p.e. linebreak)
Might be a starting point, though.
\version "2.18.0"
affect-TieColumn =
#(define-music-function (parser location offsets)(list?)
#{
\once
\override TieColumn #'after-line-breaking =
#(lambda (grob)
(let* ((ties (ly:grob-array->list (ly:grob-object grob 'ties)))
(c-ps
(map
(lambda (tie) (ly:grob-property tie 'control-points))
ties)))
(define (offset-control-points coords offsets)
(if (null? offsets)
(car c-ps)
(map
(lambda (x y) (coord-translate x y))
coords offsets)))
(define (help offs pts new-pts)
(if (null? offs)
(reverse new-pts)
(help (cdr offs) (cdr pts)
(cons (offset-control-points (car pts) (car offs)) new-pts
(for-each
(lambda (tie cpts) (ly:grob-set-property! tie 'control-points cpts))
ties
(help offsets c-ps '()
#})
%% crazy values taken, to show it works
{
2 ~
\affect-TieColumn #'( ((0 . -4) (2 . 3) (4 . 5) (6 . 7));; bottom
((-1 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0)) ;; middle
((-5 . 3) (0 . 0) (0 . 0) (0 . 0)) ;; top
)
q
}
Cheers,
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Re: Shape of individual ties in chords
Richard Shann writes: > Reading over the documentation on changing the tie shape for ties in > chords I gather that it is not possible to do this at all: > > http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/modifying-shapes#modifying-ties-and-slurs > It is not possible to modify shapes of ties or slurs by changing the > control-points property if there are multiple ties or slurs at the > same musical moment – the \tweak command will also not work in this > case. However, the tie-configuration property of TieColumn can be > overridden to set start line and direction as required. > > I think the documents should be more up front about that. Saying it is > not possible to do it one way, or another way, and then going on to > describe something else that *is* possible is a bit of weasel-wording. > Unless, that is, there is actually some LilyPond syntax to do this. Redirected to developer list. This is one case where I think it would make more sense to relinquish the restrictions rather than document them. It seems like this would require transferring properties and/or tweaks from tie events to the tie-configuration of TieColumn. There probably is already some issue in the bug tracker for this. Backend guys, any ideas? -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Shape of individual ties in chords
Reading over the documentation on changing the tie shape for ties in chords I gather that it is not possible to do this at all: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/modifying-shapes#modifying-ties-and-slurs It is not possible to modify shapes of ties or slurs by changing the control-points property if there are multiple ties or slurs at the same musical moment – the \tweak command will also not work in this case. However, the tie-configuration property of TieColumn can be overridden to set start line and direction as required. I think the documents should be more up front about that. Saying it is not possible to do it one way, or another way, and then going on to describe something else that *is* possible is a bit of weasel-wording. Unless, that is, there is actually some LilyPond syntax to do this. Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
