Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
Nope, didn't turn off point-n-click. I'll try it - if the numbers are still "interesting", I'll post back. daf On Dec 14, 2007 11:11 AM, Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would be interesting if you could investigate what has been "removed". > Do the new files still contain the same fonts? Are they embedded the same > way? > > I really hope you turned off point-and-click in LilyPond, otherwise the > comparison is completely uninteresting. > > /Mats > > daf wrote: > > In the interim, PDFCreator is a free win utility and does a great job of > > stripping the extra bytes away: simply install, select PDFCreator as > your > > printer and print. The resulting output can be 80% smaller, or more. > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ > > > > By way of example, I downloaded the mutopiaproject.org version of > BWV853b, > > bumped up the global font size to 16, and expanded it to 5 pages. The > > LP-generated PDF was 528K. The PDFCreator version was 90K. I did not > > notice any degradation in print quality, but I tend not to notice stuff > like > > that anyhow. And YMMV. But in the interim, the time it takes to do the > > extra print step should pay off handsomely for your dialup email > recipients. > > > > Best, > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > PDF files seem larger than [they used to be], > > is there something I can do to shrink them? > > > > > > Laura Conrad added: > > > >>> My users complain about this too. > >>> > > > > > >> For me, the bottleneck is email transmission, where 130K vs 1300K is > >> still significant (approximations for current project). > >> > > > > > > -- > = >Mats Bengtsson >Signal Processing >Signals, Sensors and Systems >Royal Institute of Technology >SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM >Sweden >Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 >Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe > = > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
It would be interesting if you could investigate what has been "removed". Do the new files still contain the same fonts? Are they embedded the same way? I really hope you turned off point-and-click in LilyPond, otherwise the comparison is completely uninteresting. /Mats daf wrote: In the interim, PDFCreator is a free win utility and does a great job of stripping the extra bytes away: simply install, select PDFCreator as your printer and print. The resulting output can be 80% smaller, or more. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ By way of example, I downloaded the mutopiaproject.org version of BWV853b, bumped up the global font size to 16, and expanded it to 5 pages. The LP-generated PDF was 528K. The PDFCreator version was 90K. I did not notice any degradation in print quality, but I tend not to notice stuff like that anyhow. And YMMV. But in the interim, the time it takes to do the extra print step should pay off handsomely for your dialup email recipients. Best, Jay PDF files seem larger than [they used to be], is there something I can do to shrink them? Laura Conrad added: My users complain about this too. For me, the bottleneck is email transmission, where 130K vs 1300K is still significant (approximations for current project). -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
On Dec 13, 2007 12:18 PM, daf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the interim, PDFCreator is a free win utility and does a great job of > stripping the extra bytes away: simply install, select PDFCreator as your > printer and print. The resulting output can be 80% smaller, or more. > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ > For Mac OS X users you already have an application that will do this. I just open the .ps file in the "Preview" application and then do a "Save As..." to a .pdf file. One example I have is a .ps file that is 1.2MB in size. Lilypond generates a .pdf file that is 364KB. The file that I create from the .ps file ends up being 84KB. -Eric ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
In the interim, PDFCreator is a free win utility and does a great job of stripping the extra bytes away: simply install, select PDFCreator as your printer and print. The resulting output can be 80% smaller, or more. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ By way of example, I downloaded the mutopiaproject.org version of BWV853b, bumped up the global font size to 16, and expanded it to 5 pages. The LP-generated PDF was 528K. The PDFCreator version was 90K. I did not notice any degradation in print quality, but I tend not to notice stuff like that anyhow. And YMMV. But in the interim, the time it takes to do the extra print step should pay off handsomely for your dialup email recipients. Best, Jay >> >> PDF files seem larger than [they used to be], >> >> is there something I can do to shrink them? Laura Conrad added: > > My users complain about this too. > For me, the bottleneck is email transmission, where 130K vs 1300K is > still significant (approximations for current project). -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Smaller-PDF%2C-shrinking-away-largeness-tp13968790p14321708.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
What we need is this: - create a single example which you can run in different lilypond versions. - check the PDF size in different lilypond versions. - when you have found the release that increases the size dramatically, send an email to the bug mailist. At the very least, we need to know which stable release (the even X in 2.X) increased the filesize. If you can track it down further, that's better of course. The more information we have, the faster we can fix this. I need to know what example you ran, and what lilypond versions you tried it on. Are lyrics worse than notes alone? What about lyrics by themselves? Do the headers matter? etc. Cheers, - Graham Erlend Aasland wrote: Current git (2.11.35) produces a 31975 byte (31KB) file on MacOSX 10.5. Regards, Erlend Aasland On 3. des. 2007, at 21:25, Thomas Scharkowski wrote: Lilypond 2.4.6 on cygwin produces a 26 KB pdf. Thomas This has been added as http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=519 but we really need more information. The gap between 1.9.8 and 2.10 is huge, so no further action will be taken unless somebody narrows down the version. At the very least, we need to know the stable version that began the larger files (ie an even X in 2.X.0). The TeX system shouldn't affect how lilypond behaves... at least for modern versions (2.0 and higher? 2.2 and higher?) - Graham Laura Conrad wrote: "Graham" == Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Graham> Sean Gugler wrote: PDF files seem larger than necessary, is there something I can do to shrink them? Besides setting 'point-and-click false, which I've already done. I replied: I think it should be considered a bug on some level, maybe an enhancement request. Graham> Then file a bug. Input file, the exact commands used to compile it, Graham> and output on 2.11.35 and on whatever earlier version you're comparing Graham> it to. OK, here's twinkle-pop.ly on 2.0: Input: Output: Notice that the size is 25370. I can't run this version of lilypond any more on a modern ubuntu system, because of the TeX version changes, but I believe all I said was "lilypond twinkle-pop.ly". Here it is on 2.10.33: Here the size is 60139, more than twice as big. And there are files that have much bigger differences than this. I believe the size difference had actually happened before 2.8. ___ bug-lilypond mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond ___ bug-lilypond mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
Lilypond 2.4.6 on cygwin produces a 26 KB pdf. Thomas > This has been added as > http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=519 > > but we really need more information. The gap between 1.9.8 and 2.10 > is huge, so no further action will be taken unless somebody narrows > down the version. At the very least, we need to know the stable > version that began the larger files (ie an even X in 2.X.0). > > The TeX system shouldn't affect how lilypond behaves... at least for > modern versions (2.0 and higher? 2.2 and higher?) > > - Graham > > Laura Conrad wrote: > >> "Graham" == Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Graham> Sean Gugler wrote: > > >> >> PDF files seem larger than necessary, is there something I > > >> >> can do to shrink them? Besides setting 'point-and-click > > >> >> false, which I've already done. > > > > I replied: > > > > >> I think it should be considered a bug on some level, maybe an > > >> enhancement request. > > > > Graham> Then file a bug. Input file, the exact commands used to > > compile it, Graham> and output on 2.11.35 and on whatever > > earlier version you're comparing Graham> it to. > > > > OK, here's twinkle-pop.ly on 2.0: > > Input: > > > > > > > > > > > > Output: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that the size is 25370. I can't run this version of lilypond > > any more on a modern ubuntu system, because of the TeX version > > changes, but I believe all I said was "lilypond twinkle-pop.ly". > > > > Here it is on 2.10.33: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here the size is 60139, more than twice as big. And there are files > > that have much bigger differences than this. > > > > I believe the size difference had actually happened before 2.8. > > > > > ___ > bug-lilypond mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
This has been added as http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=519 but we really need more information. The gap between 1.9.8 and 2.10 is huge, so no further action will be taken unless somebody narrows down the version. At the very least, we need to know the stable version that began the larger files (ie an even X in 2.X.0). The TeX system shouldn't affect how lilypond behaves... at least for modern versions (2.0 and higher? 2.2 and higher?) - Graham Laura Conrad wrote: "Graham" == Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Graham> Sean Gugler wrote: >> >> PDF files seem larger than necessary, is there something I can do to >> >> shrink them? Besides setting 'point-and-click false, which I've >> >> already done. I replied: >> I think it should be considered a bug on some level, maybe an >> enhancement request. Graham> Then file a bug. Input file, the exact commands used to compile it, Graham> and output on 2.11.35 and on whatever earlier version you're comparing Graham> it to. OK, here's twinkle-pop.ly on 2.0: Input: Output: Notice that the size is 25370. I can't run this version of lilypond any more on a modern ubuntu system, because of the TeX version changes, but I believe all I said was "lilypond twinkle-pop.ly". Here it is on 2.10.33: Here the size is 60139, more than twice as big. And there are files that have much bigger differences than this. I believe the size difference had actually happened before 2.8. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
My initial inquiry [clarified]: >> >> PDF files seem larger than [they used to be], >> >> is there something I can do to shrink them? >> >> Besides setting 'point-and-click false, which I've >> >> already done. Laura Conrad added: > > My users complain about this too. It > > doesn't bother me so much, but the people who are downloading and > > using older hardware really would rather have files the size they used > > to be. For me, the bottleneck is email transmission, where 130K vs 1300K is still significant (approximations for current project). Much obliged, Laura, for filing a direct-comparison bug report much swifter than I'd have been able. And to all Lilypond contributors who attend this issue in great or small capacity. Cheers, - Sean ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
Laura Conrad wrote: "Graham" == Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Graham> Turn off point and click. It's in the docs. Graham> Sean Gugler wrote: >> PDF files seem larger than necessary, is there something I can do to >> shrink them? Besides setting 'point-and-click false, which I've >> already done. > Graham, he said he did that. Oops. Sean: sorry. I think it should be considered a bug on some level, maybe an enhancement request. Then file a bug. Input file, the exact commands used to compile it, and output on 2.11.35 and on whatever earlier version you're comparing it to. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
> "Graham" == Graham Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Graham> Turn off point and click. It's in the docs. Graham> Sean Gugler wrote: >> PDF files seem larger than necessary, is there something I can do to >> shrink them? Besides setting 'point-and-click false, which I've >> already done. Graham, he said he did that. My users complain about this too. It doesn't bother me so much, but the people who are downloading and using older hardware really would rather have files the size they used to be. I think it should be considered a bug on some level, maybe an enhancement request. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
Turn off point and click. It's in the docs. - Graham Sean Gugler wrote: PDF files seem larger than necessary, is there something I can do to shrink them? Besides setting 'point-and-click false, which I've already done. For point of reference, a version 2.2.2 .ly file of 17K generated a tidy 77K PDF back in June 2004. Updating that .ly to version 2.10.7 (through the supplied automation script, mainly it removed \notes and replaced \lyricmode with \lyrics) now generates a 508K PDF, a staggering difference. My current 20K .ly project generates a whopping 1338K PDF, and I'm really doing nothing fancy in there at all! How I yearn for the old compactness again. Cheers, ~ Sean ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Smaller PDF, shrinking away largeness
PDF files seem larger than necessary, is there something I can do to shrink them? Besides setting 'point-and-click false, which I've already done. For point of reference, a version 2.2.2 .ly file of 17K generated a tidy 77K PDF back in June 2004. Updating that .ly to version 2.10.7 (through the supplied automation script, mainly it removed \notes and replaced \lyricmode with \lyrics) now generates a 508K PDF, a staggering difference. My current 20K .ly project generates a whopping 1338K PDF, and I'm really doing nothing fancy in there at all! How I yearn for the old compactness again. Cheers, ~ Sean ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
