Re: Strange d.g. notation
From the Society of Music Theory discuss group: Karen Bottge commented on Strange d.g notation Strange d.g notation Hi Conor, d.g. means viola di gamba (or cello), which sounds at the octave below. (It appears that d.g. is missing from measures 70-71!). Karen Read more or reply here: https://discuss.societymusictheory.org/discussion/comment/279#Comment_279 Menu Jacques wrote Hello folks, In the viola score of a Telemann quartet in G minor, I find this notation. Does anyone know what it means? Thanks for your help! JM ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@ https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Strange d.g. notation.png (383K) lt;http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/attachment/171976/0/Strange%20d.g.%20notation.pnggt; -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Strange-d-g-notation-tp171976p172002.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Strange d.g. notation
Hello Conor, Thanks to you and Karen for the enlightment! JM Le 17 févr. 2015 à 15:01, RomanticStrings conor.p.c...@gmail.com a écrit : From the Society of Music Theory discuss group: Karen Bottge commented on Strange d.g notation Strange d.g notation Hi Conor, d.g. means viola di gamba (or cello), which sounds at the octave below. (It appears that d.g. is missing from measures 70-71!). Karen Read more or reply here: https://discuss.societymusictheory.org/discussion/comment/279#Comment_279 Menu Jacques wrote Hello folks, In the viola score of a Telemann quartet in G minor, I find this notation. Does anyone know what it means? Thanks for your help! JM ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@ https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Strange d.g. notation.png (383K) lt;http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/attachment/171976/0/Strange%20d.g.%20notation.pnggt; -- View this message in context: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Strange-d-g-notation-tp171976p172002.html Sent from the User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Strange d.g. notation
Hello David and Pierre, The instrument name is actually Viola da gamba (Viola) », so you’re probably right : the octaviation would be done only if one plays specifically the voila da gamba and not the modern alto. Thanks for your help! JM Le 16 févr. 2015 à 22:49, Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi Jacques, da gamba ? For a specific tessitura ? Cheers, Pierre 2015-02-16 18:00 GMT+01:00 Menu Jacques imj-...@bluewin.ch mailto:imj-...@bluewin.ch: Hello folks, In the viola score of a Telemann quartet in G minor, I find this notation. Does anyone know what it means? Thanks for your help! JM Strange d.g. notation.png ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Strange d.g. notation
At 18:00 16/02/2015 +0100, Jacques Menu wrote: In the viola score of a Telemann quartet in G minor, I find this notation [d.g. 8va bassa]. Does anyone know what it means? One clue is the end of the 8va bassa in the middle of bar 73. If this had the usual meaning, it would suggest a somewhat strange run with a leap of a seventh at one point. The German for double stopping appears to be Doppelgriffen. Could this therefore be a German-Italian composite meaning col 8va bassa? Brian Barker ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Strange d.g. notation
Hi Jacques, On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Menu Jacques imj-...@bluewin.ch wrote: Hello David, It’s TWV_43:g1 http://imslp.org/wiki/Quartetto,_TWV_43:g1_(Telemann,_Georg_Philipp), but the manuscripts at: http://imslp.org/wiki/Quartetto,_TWV_43:g1_(Telemann,_Georg_Philipp) don’t seem to be quite the same work. Well, not quite the same work. This excerpt (from page 26 of the PDF) looks like the second excerpt you posted. A musicological mystery? (Sorry about the image quality.) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Strange d.g. notation
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Menu Jacques imj-...@bluewin.ch wrote: Hello folks, In the viola score of a Telemann quartet in G minor, I find this notation. Does anyone know what it means? Maybe da gamba? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Strange d.g. notation
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Menu Jacques imj-...@bluewin.ch wrote: Hello David and Pierre, The instrument name is actually Viola da gamba (Viola) », so you’re probably right : the octaviation would be done only if one plays specifically the voila da gamba and not the modern alto. It looks like a number of his quartets are available in manuscript or 18th century editions at IMSLP. Maybe this one is there. --David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Strange d.g. notation
Am 16.02.2015 22:55, schrieb Brian Barker: At 18:00 16/02/2015 +0100, Jacques Menu wrote: In the viola score of a Telemann quartet in G minor, I find this notation [d.g. 8va bassa]. Does anyone know what it means? One clue is the end of the 8va bassa in the middle of bar 73. This is certainly meant to apply in bar 73 only to the first five notes, which gives a leap of a sixth perfectly alright. If this had the usual meaning, it would suggest a somewhat strange run with a leap of a seventh at one point. The German for double stopping appears to be Doppelgriffe. Could this therefore be a German-Italian composite meaning col 8va bassa? In a viola part? With that fast notes? Certainly not. Yours, Simon Albrecht ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Strange d.g. notation
Hello David, It’s TWV_43:g1 http://imslp.org/wiki/Quartetto,_TWV_43:g1_(Telemann,_Georg_Philipp), but the manuscripts at: http://imslp.org/wiki/Quartetto,_TWV_43:g1_(Telemann,_Georg_Philipp) http://imslp.org/wiki/Quartetto,_TWV_43:g1_(Telemann,_Georg_Philipp) don’t seem to be quite the same work. JM Le 16 févr. 2015 à 23:04, David Nalesnik david.nales...@gmail.com a écrit : On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Menu Jacques imj-...@bluewin.ch mailto:imj-...@bluewin.ch wrote: Hello David and Pierre, The instrument name is actually Viola da gamba (Viola) », so you’re probably right : the octaviation would be done only if one plays specifically the voila da gamba and not the modern alto. It looks like a number of his quartets are available in manuscript or 18th century editions at IMSLP. Maybe this one is there. --David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
