Re: To hide a time signature
Marcus Macauley wrote:
I'm trying to hide the first time signature, but display any which
come later. So here's a snippet:
\version 2.9.17
{
\once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'break-visibility = ##(#f #f #f)
\time 4/4 c'1 \time 3/4 c'2.
}
The tweak is based on this page:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/TimeSignature.html
If you had followed the link at the bottom of that page to
item-interface, you
would have found the solution much quicker. Always remember that the
information
presented for each graphical object is just a subset of the full
documentation of all
the available properties. To see it all, you need to browse through all
the links to the
interfaces.
/Mats
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Re: To hide a time signature
Marcus Macauley wrote: Indeed, that works too. But where is the stencil setting documented? And why isn't it mentioned on: http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/TimeSignature.html ? That's a very good question, which I forward to bug-lilypond. If you click on grob-interface, you will notice that stencil is listed among the Internal properties, which probably explains why it isn't listed on the main page of the graphical object. I don't think this is a good idea, since we already have a number of examples in the manual, TipsTricks and LSR that involves redefining stencil and as the documentation is generated now, it's for example impossible to figure out what the default value of stencil is for a given object, unless you look in scm/define-grobs.scm /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: To hide a time signature
Mats,
I wrote:
I'm trying to hide the first time signature, but display any which come
later. So here's a snippet:
\version 2.9.17
{
\once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'break-visibility = ##(#f #f #f)
\time 4/4 c'1 \time 3/4 c'2.
}
The tweak is based on this page:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/TimeSignature.html
You replied:
If you had followed the link at the bottom of that page to
item-interface, you
would have found the solution much quicker. Always remember that the
information
presented for each graphical object is just a subset of the full
documentation of all
the available properties. To see it all, you need to browse through all
the links to the
interfaces.
Indeed, I discovered those links soon after I posted. But the particular
link you mention, item-interface, doesn't seem to offer much help here.
It mentions the break-visibility setting, but so does the TimeSignature
page itself, and it didn't take me long to find it on the TimeSignature
page. True, the item-interface page explains it at greater length,
though.
What I still don't understand is the stencil setting (which Kieren
suggested as an alternative), which I now see is listed on the
grob-interface page (linked from the bottom of the TimeSignature page),
but there it appears under Internal properties and not under User
settable properties. That seems to imply that stencil is not user
settable, though Kieren's example suggests that it is. Also, whether or
not stencil is user settable, the grob-interface page offers no clue
as to what values/syntax it might take. The entry reads:
stencil (unknown)
The symbol to print.
BUT, now I notice something I didn't see before. At the bottom of the list
of user settable properties is:
transparent (boolean)
This makes the grob invisible.
transparent: That sounds awfully familiar! It's wonder I couldn't see it
before -- it's like I was looking right through it.
Sure enough, the following line works like a charm:
\once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t
Seeing as grobs are ubiquitous in Lilypond (judging from, e.g., the list
at the bottom of
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/grob_002dinterface.html
), I imagine I won't have too much trouble the next time I want to hide
something.
(My stencil query remains unresolved, but it's not so pressing.)
Thanks, Mats and Kieren, for the help.
Marcus
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Re: To hide a time signature
Marcus Macauley wrote: If you had followed the link at the bottom of that page to item-interface, you would have found the solution much quicker. Always remember that the information presented for each graphical object is just a subset of the full documentation of all the available properties. To see it all, you need to browse through all the links to the interfaces. Indeed, I discovered those links soon after I posted. But the particular link you mention, item-interface, doesn't seem to offer much help here. It mentions the break-visibility setting, but so does the TimeSignature page itself, and it didn't take me long to find it on the TimeSignature page. True, the item-interface page explains it at greater length, though. For example, it tells you that there is a predefined macro all-invisible that can be used. What I still don't understand is the stencil setting (which Kieren suggested as an alternative), which I now see is listed on the grob-interface page (linked from the bottom of the TimeSignature page), but there it appears under Internal properties and not under User settable properties. That seems to imply that stencil is not user settable, though Kieren's example suggests that it is. Also, whether or not stencil is user settable, the grob-interface page offers no clue as to what values/syntax it might take. The entry reads: Yes, I already reported that problem to lilypond-bug in my previous email. BUT, now I notice something I didn't see before. At the bottom of the list of user settable properties is: transparent (boolean) This makes the grob invisible. transparent: That sounds awfully familiar! It's wonder I couldn't see it before -- it's like I was looking right through it. If you search the index of the manual for transparent objects, removing objects, hiding objects or invisible objects you will find a link to some more information on the transparent property in the manual. Sure enough, the following line works like a charm: \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t As is explained in the manual, this will not do exactly the same thing as your previous solution, since the transparent time signature will still occupy some space (which is usually not desirable for this situation). /Mats ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: To hide a time signature
Mats, If you search the index of the manual for transparent objects, removing objects, hiding objects or invisible objects you will find a link to some more information on the transparent property in the manual. Thanks. I don't know how I missed that before. \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'transparent = ##t As is explained in the manual, this will not do exactly the same thing as your previous solution, since the transparent time signature will still occupy some space (which is usually not desirable for this situation). Good point. So my original solution, or Kieren's, was probably best. Marcus ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: To hide a time signature
Hi, Marcus:
But I'm curious, is there a better way to do this?
I don't claim it's necessarily better, but another way would be
\version 2.9.17
{
\once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
\time 4/4 c'1 \time 3/4 c'2.
}
HTH!
Kieren.
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Re: To hide a time signature
Hi Kieren,
I don't claim it's necessarily better, but another way
[to hide the initial time signature but not subsequent ones]
would be
\version 2.9.17
{
\once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
\time 4/4 c'1 \time 3/4 c'2.
}
Indeed, that works too. But where is the stencil setting documented? And
why isn't it mentioned on:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond-internals/TimeSignature.html
?
In other words, how did you learn that tweak, and how might I have
discovered one like that myself, without asking the mailing list?
(Searching Google for stencil site:lilypond.org didn't yield any obvious
answers. Nor did the Lilypond index, in which stencil links to 8.1.6
Overview of text markup commands --
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond/Overview-of-text-markup-commands.html
-- which explains the \stencil command, but not the #'stencil setting.)
Thanks,
Marcus
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