Re: Lilypond website down?

[Han-Wen Nienhuys]

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:28 AM David Kastrup  wrote:
>
> Han-Wen Nienhuys  writes:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:24 PM Simon Albrecht  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 16.08.2018 23:37, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> >> > Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that
> >> > Google offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it running
> >> > for a year or two.
> >>
> >> This sounds slightly dangerous and like we should search for a new
> >> solution rather sooner than later, doesn’t it?
> >
> > When the free credit runs out, costs will be paid from my credit card.
>
> What's the bus factor on the current solution?  Not regarding the money
> but the actions to be taken?

both Jan & I have to come under the bus at the same time for this
break irretrievably. (We still control the DNS entry)

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Re: Lilypond website down?

[David Kastrup]

Han-Wen Nienhuys  writes:

> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:24 PM Simon Albrecht  wrote:
>>
>> On 16.08.2018 23:37, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
>> > Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that
>> > Google offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it running
>> > for a year or two.
>>
>> This sounds slightly dangerous and like we should search for a new
>> solution rather sooner than later, doesn’t it?
>
> When the free credit runs out, costs will be paid from my credit card.

What's the bus factor on the current solution?  Not regarding the money
but the actions to be taken?

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Re: Lilypond website down?

[Han-Wen Nienhuys]

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:24 PM Simon Albrecht  wrote:
>
> On 16.08.2018 23:37, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> > Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that
> > Google offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it running
> > for a year or two.
>
> This sounds slightly dangerous and like we should search for a new
> solution rather sooner than later, doesn’t it?

When the free credit runs out, costs will be paid from my credit card.

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Re: Lilypond website down?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 16.08.2018 23:37, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that 
Google offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it running 
for a year or two.


This sounds slightly dangerous and like we should search for a new 
solution rather sooner than later, doesn’t it?


Best, Simon




On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:20 PM Ralph Palmer 
mailto:palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com>> wrote:




On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:14 PM Simon Albrecht
mailto:simon.albre...@mail.de>> wrote:

So you provide the funding? If so, thanks a lot!

Best, Simon

Please accept my thanks, as well.

Ralph


> On 10.08.2018 - 13:10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
>
>
> Looks like a payment problem. I've added my creditcard, and
restarted the server.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:39 PM Phil Holmes
mailto:m...@philholmes.net>> wrote:
>>
>> It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a
means of monitoring and fixing this...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: Saul Tobin
>>
    >> To: Lilypond-User Mailing List
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:37 PM
>>
>> Subject: Lilypond website down?
>>
>>
>> Looks like Lilypond.org has been down since yesterday.
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Re: Re: Lilypond website down?

[Han-Wen Nienhuys]

Well, currently, it's coming out of the $300 new user credit that Google
offers to new cloud users. $300 is enough to keep it runnign for a year or
two.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:20 PM Ralph Palmer 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:14 PM Simon Albrecht 
> wrote:
>
>> So you provide the funding? If so, thanks a lot!
>>
>> Best, Simon
>>
>
> Please accept my thanks, as well.
>
> Ralph
>
>
>>
>> > On 10.08.2018 - 13:10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Looks like a payment problem. I've added my creditcard, and restarted
>> the server.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:39 PM Phil Holmes 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of
>> monitoring and fixing this...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Phil Holmes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >>
>> >> From: Saul Tobin
>> >>
>> >> To: Lilypond-User Mailing List
>> >>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:37 PM
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Lilypond website down?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Looks like Lilypond.org has been down since yesterday.
>> >>
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>> >> lilypond-user@gnu.org
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
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Re: Re: Lilypond website down?

[Ralph Palmer]

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 3:14 PM Simon Albrecht 
wrote:

> So you provide the funding? If so, thanks a lot!
>
> Best, Simon
>

Please accept my thanks, as well.

Ralph


>
> > On 10.08.2018 - 13:10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
> >
> >
> > Looks like a payment problem. I've added my creditcard, and restarted
> the server.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:39 PM Phil Holmes  wrote:
> >>
> >> It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of
> monitoring and fixing this...
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Phil Holmes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -
> >>
> >> From: Saul Tobin
> >>
> >> To: Lilypond-User Mailing List
> >>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:37 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: Lilypond website down?
> >>
> >>
> >> Looks like Lilypond.org has been down since yesterday.
> >>
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> >> lilypond-user@gnu.org
> >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Re: Lilypond website down?

[Simon Albrecht]

So you provide the funding? If so, thanks a lot!

Best, Simon

> On 10.08.2018 - 13:10, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
>
>
> Looks like a payment problem. I've added my creditcard, and restarted the 
> server.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:39 PM Phil Holmes  wrote:
>> 
>> It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of 
>> monitoring and fixing this...
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> 
>> From: Saul Tobin 
>> 
>> To: Lilypond-User Mailing List 
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:37 PM
>> 
>> Subject: Lilypond website down?
>> 
>> 
>> Looks like Lilypond.org has been down since yesterday.
>> 
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Re: Lilypond website down?

[Han-Wen Nienhuys]

Looks like a payment problem. I've added my creditcard, and restarted the
server.

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:39 PM Phil Holmes  wrote:

> It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of
> monitoring and fixing this...
>
> --
> Phil Holmes
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Saul Tobin 
> *To:* Lilypond-User Mailing List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:37 PM
> *Subject:* Lilypond website down?
>
> Looks like Lilypond.org has been down since yesterday.
>
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Re: Lilypond website down?

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi Phil,

Google? Isn't that a commercial service? Who pays for it?

Andrew


On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 at 05:40, Phil Holmes  wrote:

> It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of
> monitoring and fixing this...
>
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Re: Lilypond website down?

[Karlin High]

On 8/8/2018 2:39 PM, Phil Holmes wrote:
It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of 
monitoring and fixing this...


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- Original Message -
*From:* Saul Tobin <mailto:saul.james.to...@gmail.com>
*To:* Lilypond-User Mailing List <mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org>
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:37 PM
*Subject:* Lilypond website down?

Looks like Lilypond.org has been down since yesterday.


In the meantime...

<https://web.archive.org/web/20180804000219/http://lilypond.org/>

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Re: Lilypond website down?

[Phil Holmes]

It's hosted by Google these days, so I assume they have a means of monitoring 
and fixing this...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Saul Tobin 
  To: Lilypond-User Mailing List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 6:37 PM
  Subject: Lilypond website down?


  Looks like Lilypond.org has been down since yesterday.


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Lilypond website down?

[Saul Tobin]

Looks like Lilypond.org has been down since yesterday.
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Re: Website down?

[Phil Holmes]

Now back up.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Brent Annable 
  To: Aaron Hill 
  Cc: lilypond-user 
  Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 6:17 AM
  Subject: Re: Website down?


  Ok thanks Aaron :-)


  Brent.


  On 24 May 2018 at 15:16, Aaron Hill <lilyp...@hillvisions.com> wrote:

On 2018-05-23 21:40, Brent Annable wrote:

  Hey all,

  Is the Lilypond website down right now? I can't access lilypond.org, the
  manual or the internals reference from either my laptop or my phone, I get
  the following message:

  Internal Server Error

  The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
unable
  to complete your request.

  Please contact the server administrator at [no address given] to inform
  them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just
  before this error.

  More information about this error may be available in the server error 
log.
  --
  Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at lilypond.org Port 80


  Was there planned maintenance or something?


It's been down for most of the day.  Karlin mentioned that archive.org has 
most of the site available in the meantime:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180516024136/http://lilypond.org/

I haven't seen any other announcements or status updates, so I take it the 
server admin is not on this list.

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Re: Website down?

[Brent Annable]

Ok thanks Aaron :-)

Brent.

On 24 May 2018 at 15:16, Aaron Hill <lilyp...@hillvisions.com> wrote:

> On 2018-05-23 21:40, Brent Annable wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Is the Lilypond website down right now? I can't access lilypond.org, the
>> manual or the internals reference from either my laptop or my phone, I get
>> the following message:
>>
>> Internal Server Error
>>
>> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
>> unable
>> to complete your request.
>>
>> Please contact the server administrator at [no address given] to inform
>> them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just
>> before this error.
>>
>> More information about this error may be available in the server error
>> log.
>> --
>> Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at lilypond.org Port 80
>>
>>
>> Was there planned maintenance or something?
>>
>
> It's been down for most of the day.  Karlin mentioned that archive.org
> has most of the site available in the meantime:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20180516024136/http://lilypond.org/
>
> I haven't seen any other announcements or status updates, so I take it the
> server admin is not on this list.
>
> -- Aaron Hill
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Re: Website down?

[Aaron Hill]

On 2018-05-23 21:40, Brent Annable wrote:

Hey all,

Is the Lilypond website down right now? I can't access lilypond.org, 
the
manual or the internals reference from either my laptop or my phone, I 
get

the following message:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
unable

to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator at [no address given] to inform
them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed 
just

before this error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error 
log.

--
Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at lilypond.org Port 80


Was there planned maintenance or something?


It's been down for most of the day.  Karlin mentioned that archive.org 
has most of the site available in the meantime:


https://web.archive.org/web/20180516024136/http://lilypond.org/

I haven't seen any other announcements or status updates, so I take it 
the server admin is not on this list.


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Website down?

[Brent Annable]

Hey all,

Is the Lilypond website down right now? I can't access lilypond.org, the
manual or the internals reference from either my laptop or my phone, I get
the following message:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable
to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator at [no address given] to inform
them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just
before this error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
--
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Was there planned maintenance or something?


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Re: Website down?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 04.11.2015 02:45, Devin wrote:
It is a real bummer that the website was down today, because I was 
trying to show my guitar student the software. He has a Mac and I am 
unfamiliar with how to install Lilypond onto a Mac from Github.


In case it happens again: the download links are also contained in the 
offline manuals, so you could bypass lilypond.org to go directly to 
 
– or analogous for other versions.


Yours, Simon

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Re: Website down?

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Devin,

Why not install LP on a Mac from a downloaded image directly? 
That’s available at http://www.lilypond.org/macos-x.fr.html .

JM

> Le 4 nov. 2015 à 02:45, Devin  a écrit :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> It is a real bummer that the website was down today, because I was trying to 
> show my guitar student the software. He has a Mac and I am unfamiliar with 
> how to install Lilypond onto a Mac from Github.
> 
> Hope that it gets up and running soon!
> 
> Please let me know when it is up so that I may show my student Lilypond.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Website down?

[Urs Liska]

Am 04.11.2015 um 10:33 schrieb Jacques Menu:
> Hello Devin,
>
> Why not install LP on a Mac from a downloaded image directly? 
> That’s available at http://www.lilypond.org/macos-x.fr.html .

Because when he intended to do so lilypond.org couldn't be reached.
Now I could access it so it may be that the problem has ceased (for now)

Urs

>
> JM
>
>> Le 4 nov. 2015 à 02:45, Devin  a écrit :
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> It is a real bummer that the website was down today, because I was trying to 
>> show my guitar student the software. He has a Mac and I am unfamiliar with 
>> how to install Lilypond onto a Mac from Github.
>>
>> Hope that it gets up and running soon!
>>
>> Please let me know when it is up so that I may show my student Lilypond.
>>
>> Thanks,
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Re: Website down?

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Urs,

Oops, my mistake, of course github is hosted elsewhere…

JM

> Le 4 nov. 2015 à 10:41, Urs Liska  a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> Am 04.11.2015 um 10:33 schrieb Jacques Menu:
>> Hello Devin,
>> 
>> Why not install LP on a Mac from a downloaded image directly? 
>> That’s available at http://www.lilypond.org/macos-x.fr.html .
> 
> Because when he intended to do so lilypond.org couldn't be reached.
> Now I could access it so it may be that the problem has ceased (for now)
> 
> Urs
> 
>> 
>> JM
>> 
>>> Le 4 nov. 2015 à 02:45, Devin  a écrit :
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> It is a real bummer that the website was down today, because I was trying 
>>> to show my guitar student the software. He has a Mac and I am unfamiliar 
>>> with how to install Lilypond onto a Mac from Github.
>>> 
>>> Hope that it gets up and running soon!
>>> 
>>> Please let me know when it is up so that I may show my student Lilypond.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Devin
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Website down?

[Alberto Simões]

Hi

Just a heads up.
I can't access lilypond.
Neither http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lilypond.org

Thanks
ambs

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Re: Website down?

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> On 03.11.2015 21:56, Edward Ardzinski wrote:
>> I haven't been able to reach http://www.lilypond.org in a few days...
>
> I’m happy to be largely independent of the website (having installed
> the docs locally), since downtime is quite unfortunately frequent…

It's worth pointing out that installing the info docs with images
(running "make info" which is really expensive before running "sudo make
install") is an excellent resource when you are using Emacs as your Info
reader.  I don't know any other Info reader supporting images
gracefully, though.  The standalone Info reader should still be useful
for finding stuff fast with the search and index lookup commands.

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Re: Website down?

[Alberto Simões]

On 03/11/15 21:16, Federico Bruni wrote:

Il giorno mar 3 nov 2015 alle 21:56, Edward Ardzinski
 ha scritto:

I haven't been able to reach http://www.lilypond.org in a few days...


it's working fine now


still having trouble here. :(

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Re: Website down?

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno mar 3 nov 2015 alle 22:31, Alberto Simões 
 ha scritto:



On 03/11/15 21:16, Federico Bruni wrote:

Il giorno mar 3 nov 2015 alle 21:56, Edward Ardzinski
 ha scritto:
I haven't been able to reach http://www.lilypond.org in a few 
days...


it's working fine now


still having trouble here. :(


Same here, actually.

I was able to go to the download page (thanks to the cache, I guess) 
and download the latest version (hosted on a different server).





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Re: Website down?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 03.11.2015 21:56, Edward Ardzinski wrote:

I haven't been able to reach http://www.lilypond.org in a few days...


I’m happy to be largely independent of the website (having installed the 
docs locally), since downtime is quite unfortunately frequent…


Yours, Simon

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Re: Website down?

[Edward Ardzinski]

I haven't been able to reach http://www.lilypond.org in a few days...



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Re: Website down?

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno mar 3 nov 2015 alle 21:56, Edward Ardzinski 
 ha scritto:

I haven't been able to reach http://www.lilypond.org in a few days...


it's working fine now


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Re: Website down?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 03.11.2015 23:54, David Kastrup wrote:

Simon Albrecht  writes:


On 03.11.2015 21:56, Edward Ardzinski wrote:

I haven't been able to reach http://www.lilypond.org in a few days...

I’m happy to be largely independent of the website (having installed
the docs locally), since downtime is quite unfortunately frequent…

It's worth pointing out that installing the info docs with images
(running "make info" which is really expensive before running "sudo make
install") is an excellent resource when you are using Emacs as your Info
reader.  I don't know any other Info reader supporting images
gracefully, though.  The standalone Info reader should still be useful
for finding stuff fast with the search and index lookup commands.



I read it in HTML, installing from (or rather through) the .sh binary… 
no need to use make and emacs :-)


Yours, Simon

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Re: Website down?

[David Kastrup]

Simon Albrecht  writes:

> On 03.11.2015 23:54, David Kastrup wrote:
>> Simon Albrecht  writes:
>>
>>> On 03.11.2015 21:56, Edward Ardzinski wrote:
 I haven't been able to reach http://www.lilypond.org in a few days...
>>> I’m happy to be largely independent of the website (having installed
>>> the docs locally), since downtime is quite unfortunately frequent…
>> It's worth pointing out that installing the info docs with images
>> (running "make info" which is really expensive before running "sudo make
>> install") is an excellent resource when you are using Emacs as your Info
>> reader.  I don't know any other Info reader supporting images
>> gracefully, though.  The standalone Info reader should still be useful
>> for finding stuff fast with the search and index lookup commands.
>>
>
> I read it in HTML, installing from (or rather through) the .sh binary…
> no need to use make and emacs :-)

HTML is quite clumsier for navigation and indexing.  I tend to find
information in Emacs' info reader (mainly using the index, sometimes
using plain text search), then I cut and paste a recognizable sentence
into a web search engine in order find the online variant in order to
refer people to it.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Website down?

[Devin]

Hi All,

It is a real bummer that the website was down today, because I was
trying to show my guitar student the software. He has a Mac and I am
unfamiliar with how to install Lilypond onto a Mac from Github.

Hope that it gets up and running soon!

Please let me know when it is up so that I may show my student Lilypond.

Thanks,
Devin
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Re: Taking the old website down

[Alberto Simões]

On 12/21/11 7:27 , James wrote:

Actually it looks like the whole lilypond.org/web/* is out of date and 
deprecated; is there actually a reason to risk confusing potential users of 
Lilypond?



Well yes if you read the bug trackers.

In a nutshell (and with my limited knowledge) the website is built not
by humans but by machine (so to speak) at least a large chunk is
anyway; so you have to make sure you are not going to break something
when the 'scripts' that build the website no longer find that
directory that 'you' have just moved or the file you have just edited
no longer references a .png and now the whole website is broken.

It isn't just someone poking about with some HTML code in a text
editor - at least from doing documentation for LP that's as I have
come to understand it.

As it says here:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/introduction-to-website-work

'The website is not written directly in HTML; instead, the source is
Texinfo, which is then
generated into HTML, PDF, and Info formats.

As has been said, any help is welcome and there are people on the
lists who can help or advise to those that want to help.

Take a look:

http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/list?can=2q=websitecolspec=IDgroupby=sort=priorityx=typey=prioritycells=tilesmode=grid

Lots to do :)



Thanks for the info. Checking out the bitch and will give it a look.

Cheers
ambs

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Re: Taking the old website down

[Alberto Simões]

Hello

Cloned the lilypond git repository:
  git://git.sv.gnu.org/lilypond.git

To try to understand where http://lilypond.org/web/install/ is comming 
from, I grepped for whetted your appetite and whetted (not that a 
usual word) and I can't get any file in the repository that includes it.


Wham am I doing wrong?

Thank you,
ambs

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Re: Taking the old website down

[Graham Percival]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:06:14PM +, Alberto Simões wrote:
 Cloned the lilypond git repository:
   git://git.sv.gnu.org/lilypond.git
 
 To try to understand where http://lilypond.org/web/install/ is
 comming from, I grepped for whetted your appetite and whetted
 (not that a usual word) and I can't get any file in the repository
 that includes it.
 
 Wham am I doing wrong?

Old website comes from the web branch, but why would you want it?
New website is discussed in the contributor's guide.

I highly recommend that you read
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/summary-for-experienced-developers
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/mentors
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/website-work

- Graham

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Re: Taking the old website down

[Alberto Simões]

On 12/21/11 13:56 , Graham Percival wrote:

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:06:14PM +, Alberto Simões wrote:

Cloned the lilypond git repository:
   git://git.sv.gnu.org/lilypond.git

To try to understand where http://lilypond.org/web/install/ is
comming from, I grepped for whetted your appetite and whetted
(not that a usual word) and I can't get any file in the repository
that includes it.

Wham am I doing wrong?


Old website comes from the web branch, but why would you want it?
New website is discussed in the contributor's guide.

I highly recommend that you read
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/summary-for-experienced-developers
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/mentors
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/website-work


Ok, so new site is uploaded over the old website files, meaning I need a 
way to overwrite the old website files with the new website.


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mentor needed (was: Taking the old website down)

[Graham Percival]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 02:19:49PM +, Alberto Simões wrote:
 
 On 12/21/11 13:56 , Graham Percival wrote:
 I highly recommend that you read
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/summary-for-experienced-developers
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/mentors
 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/website-work
 
 Ok, so new site is uploaded over the old website files, meaning I
 need a way to overwrite the old website files with the new website.

... no.

Given that statement, and the difference in time zones, there's no way
you've read website-work or
  http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1272
in sufficient detail


Developers, we don't seem to have a Frog Meister at the moment.  Is
anybody interested in mentoring Alberto ?  We could really use somebody
who is
1) energetic, or at least polite
2) doesn't mind explaining things multiple times (to be fair, language
may be an issue here)
3) ideally knows a bit of build process, shell scripting, maybe python
(I can't remember), and git to interact with both lilypond.git and the
lilypond-extra repository.  But #3 is a much less important requirement
than 1 and 2.

I fail at 1 and 2, and I don't want to be responsible for driving a
potential contributor away. 

Cheers,
- Graham

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Taking the old website down

[Alberto Simões]

Hello

As a suggestion, please delete the web page that answers to:

http://lilypond.org/web/install/

or add a redirect there.

That is the first link on google for lilypond download and ever 
myself, that knows lilypond website has been redesigned, didn't notice 
it and downloaded an old version.


Cheers
ambs

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Re: Taking the old website down

[Graham Percival]

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 06:13:42PM +, Alberto Simões wrote:
 As a suggestion, please delete the web page that answers to:
 
 http://lilypond.org/web/install/
 
 or add a redirect there.

This has been in the tracker for over a year.
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1163
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1272

If you're not offering patches to fix them, don't complain about
known issues.

- Graham

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Re: Taking the old website down

[Alberto Simões]

On 12/20/11 18:59 , Graham Percival wrote:

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 06:13:42PM +, Alberto Simões wrote:

As a suggestion, please delete the web page that answers to:

http://lilypond.org/web/install/

or add a redirect there.


This has been in the tracker for over a year.
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1163
http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1272

If you're not offering patches to fix them, don't complain about
known issues.


I would offer to fix it, as it should be trivial to rewrite the 
index.{whatever} in that folder for a redirect (and do the same for 
other folders).


But after this answer, I think you do not want any help, just do not 
want people complaining.


Cheers
ambs

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Re: Taking the old website down

[James]

Alberto

2011/12/20 Alberto Simões al...@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt:


 On 12/20/11 18:59 , Graham Percival wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 06:13:42PM +, Alberto Simões wrote:

 As a suggestion, please delete the web page that answers to:

 http://lilypond.org/web/install/

 or add a redirect there.


 This has been in the tracker for over a year.
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1163
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1272

 If you're not offering patches to fix them, don't complain about
 known issues.


 I would offer to fix it, as it should be trivial to rewrite the
 index.{whatever} in that folder for a redirect (and do the same for other
 folders).

 But after this answer, I think you do not want any help, just do not want
 people complaining.

Aww...

Go on fix it for us

:.. )


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Re: Taking the old website down

[Tim McNamara]

On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:25 PM, James wrote:

 Alberto
 
 2011/12/20 Alberto Simões al...@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt:
 
 
 On 12/20/11 18:59 , Graham Percival wrote:
 
 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 06:13:42PM +, Alberto Simões wrote:
 
 As a suggestion, please delete the web page that answers to:
 
 http://lilypond.org/web/install/
 
 or add a redirect there.
 
 
 This has been in the tracker for over a year.
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1163
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1272
 
 If you're not offering patches to fix them, don't complain about
 known issues.
 
 
 I would offer to fix it, as it should be trivial to rewrite the
 index.{whatever} in that folder for a redirect (and do the same for other
 folders).
 
 But after this answer, I think you do not want any help, just do not want
 people complaining.
 
 Aww...
 
 Go on fix it for us
 
 :.. )

Actually it looks like the whole lilypond.org/web/* is out of date and 
deprecated; is there actually a reason to risk confusing potential users of 
Lilypond?



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Re: Taking the old website down

[James]

Hello,

On 21 December 2011 00:05, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote:

 On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:25 PM, James wrote:

 Alberto

 2011/12/20 Alberto Simões al...@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt:


 On 12/20/11 18:59 , Graham Percival wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 06:13:42PM +, Alberto Simões wrote:

 As a suggestion, please delete the web page that answers to:

 http://lilypond.org/web/install/

 or add a redirect there.


 This has been in the tracker for over a year.
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1163
 http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1272

 If you're not offering patches to fix them, don't complain about
 known issues.


 I would offer to fix it, as it should be trivial to rewrite the
 index.{whatever} in that folder for a redirect (and do the same for other
 folders).

 But after this answer, I think you do not want any help, just do not want
 people complaining.

 Aww...

 Go on fix it for us

 :.. )

 Actually it looks like the whole lilypond.org/web/* is out of date and 
 deprecated; is there actually a reason to risk confusing potential users of 
 Lilypond?


Well yes if you read the bug trackers.

In a nutshell (and with my limited knowledge) the website is built not
by humans but by machine (so to speak) at least a large chunk is
anyway; so you have to make sure you are not going to break something
when the 'scripts' that build the website no longer find that
directory that 'you' have just moved or the file you have just edited
no longer references a .png and now the whole website is broken.

It isn't just someone poking about with some HTML code in a text
editor - at least from doing documentation for LP that's as I have
come to understand it.

As it says here:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.15/Documentation/contributor/introduction-to-website-work

'The website is not written directly in HTML; instead, the source is
Texinfo, which is then
generated into HTML, PDF, and Info formats.

As has been said, any help is welcome and there are people on the
lists who can help or advise to those that want to help.

Take a look:

http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/list?can=2q=websitecolspec=IDgroupby=sort=priorityx=typey=prioritycells=tilesmode=grid

Lots to do :)



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