Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Robert Schmaus]

> On 27 Mar 2016, at 01:30, David Raleigh Arnold  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 20:42:39 +0100
> David Kastrup  wrote:
> 
>> Jason Silver  writes:
>> 
>>> Anyone have thoughts on how to notate a A minor add 9?
>>> 
>>> I've tried this:
>>> 
>>> chExceptionMusic = {
>>>  1-\markup { \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
>>>  1-\markup { "m" \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
>>> }
>>> 
>>> with this:
>>> 
>>> chordNames = \chordmode {
>>>  \set chordNameExceptions = #chExceptions
>>>  | a:1.3.5.9 | a:1.3f.5.9 |
>>> }
>>> 
>>> I get an error with the minor add 9.
>> 
>> Please try not making up code on the fly but use the actual code you
>> worked with.  It's rather tricky for readers to figure out genuine
>> errors from typos.  Here chExceptionMusic does not match chException,
>> and anyway, there is no such thing as a:1.3f.5.9.
> 
> Of course there is. Who says no, the chord police?
> 

No, but one of the main programmers of Lilypond who (iiuc) simply wanted to 
point out that a:1.3f.5.9 is not a chord expression that Lilypond could 
interpret (or is it?). In my experience, he tends to have valid opinions of 
these things ...
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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Thomas Morley]

2016-03-27 1:30 GMT+01:00 David Raleigh Arnold :
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 20:42:39 +0100
> David Kastrup  wrote:
>
>> Jason Silver  writes:
>>
>> > Anyone have thoughts on how to notate a A minor add 9?
>> >
>> > I've tried this:
>> >
>> > chExceptionMusic = {
>> >   1-\markup { \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
>> >   1-\markup { "m" \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
>> > }
>> >
>> > with this:
>> >
>> > chordNames = \chordmode {
>> >   \set chordNameExceptions = #chExceptions
>> >   | a:1.3.5.9 | a:1.3f.5.9 |
>> > }
>> >
>> > I get an error with the minor add 9.
>>
>> Please try not making up code on the fly but use the actual code you
>> worked with.  It's rather tricky for readers to figure out genuine
>> errors from typos.  Here chExceptionMusic does not match chException,
>> and anyway, there is no such thing as a:1.3f.5.9.
>
> Of course there is. Who says no, the chord police? Regards, Rale

I really don't understand why people don't read mails carefully and
think about what they have read.

The original code-example didn't compile on its own, so David asked
for a compiling code.
Let me add, we recommend tiny example on our website
http://www.lilypond.org/website/tiny-examples.html
and, speaking for myself,  I really want to copy/paste/compile/watch
within ten seconds.
All other is a nuisance (at least in most cases) and I tend to
postpone work on posts without proper example-code.

>> there is no such thing as a:1.3f.5.9.
This is ofcourse correct. It's simply wrong LilyPond-syntax.

Additional David gave the sollution:
>> Did you intend to write - instead of f
but you deleted this ...
Well, one could add a corrected code, but do you really expect giving
user-support means making their work for them, in my leisure time,
without payment.
Really?

So I have to say your remark is completely inappropriate.

-Harm

Btw,

\version "2.16.2" %% ??

\language "english"

chExceptionMusic = {
  1-\markup { \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
  1-\markup { "m" \super "add9" } % 1.3-.5.9
}

chExceptions =
#(append
  (sequential-music-to-chord-exceptions chExceptionMusic #t)
  ignatzekExceptions)

\chords {
  \set chordNameExceptions = #chExceptions
  | a:1.3.5.9 | a:1.3-.5.9 |
}

Happy Easter

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Jason Silver]

OK- I was trying to make it easier for you to see the section by editing
the content.

Below is the whole piece.

Jason

\language "english"
> \version "2.16.2"
> \header {
>   title = "The General Confession"
>   composer = "Jason Silver"
>   copyright = "Silver Ink. 2016"
>   tagline = "Permission granted to share with attribution."
> }
> global = {
> }
> \paper {
> }
> \paper {
>   top-margin = #0
>   bottom-margin = #5
>   right-margin = #12
>   left-margin = #12
>   indent = #0
>   system-separator-markup = #3
>   markup-system-spacing #'padding = 0 % under title
>   system-system-spacing #'padding = 1.8
>   system-system-spacing #'basic-distance = 20
>
>   score-system-spacing =
> #'((basic-distance . 1)
>(minimum-distance . 2)
>(padding . 101)
>(stretchability . 522))
>   last-bottom-spacing = #5
>   %min-systems-per-page = 10 % this allows you to squish line spacing
>   %max-systems-per-page = 8
>   paper-width = 21.59\cm
>   paper-height = 27.94\cm
> }
> % Function to print rests as slashes
> slashOn = {
>   \override Rest #'stencil = #ly:percent-repeat-item-interface::beat-slash
>   \override Rest #'thickness = #'0.48
>   \override Rest #'slope = #'1.2
>   \override Rest #'Y-offset = #'-.0
> }
> slashOff = {
>   \revert Rest #'stencil
> }
> % Exception music is chords with markups
> chExceptionMusic = {
>   1-\markup { "2" } % notate as 1.2.3.5
>   1-\markup {"sus"}
>   1-\markup { "m2" } % 1.6.2.
>   1-\markup { \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
>   1-\markup { "m" \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
> }
> chExceptions = #(append (sequential-music-to-chord-exceptions
> chExceptionMusic #t) ignatzekExceptions)
> melody = \relative c'{
>   \time 6/8
>   \key cs \minor
>   \clef treble
>   \tempo 4 = 70
>   r4. r4 b8 | b e fs gs4 b,16 gs | b8 e fs gs e b | e4.~e4 gs8 | gs e cs
> e4 b8
>   b e fs gs4 b,16 gs | b8 e fs \tuplet 2/3 { gs e } | b2. | r2. |
>   \tuplet 2/3 { b'8 a } \tuplet 2/3 { g f } \tuplet 2/3 {g f} \tuplet 2/3
> { e d } e2. | r2. |
>   \tuplet 2/3 { b'8 a } \tuplet 2/3 { g f16 e } \tuplet 2/3 {g8 f} \tuplet
> 2/3 { e d } e2. | r2. |
>   \tuplet 2/3 { b'8 a } \tuplet 2/3 { g f } \tuplet 2/3 {g f} \tuplet 2/3
> { e d } | e4. \tuplet 2/3{  e8 e8 } | ds4. r4 b16 b |
>   b8 e fs gs4 b,16 gs | b4  fs'8 gs e cs | e4.~e4 r8 | gs e cs e4 b8
>   b8 e fs gs4 b,16 gs | b4  fs'8 gs e cs | e2. | r2. |
>   \tuplet 2/3 { b'8 a } \tuplet 2/3 { g f } \tuplet 2/3 {gs fs} \tuplet
> 2/3 { e ds }|  e2.~ | e2
> }
> chordNames = \chordmode {
>   \set chordNameExceptions = #chExceptions
>   \set chordChanges = ##f % ##t is the other?
>   r2. | cs2.:m7 gs:m7 | a:1.3.5.9 | a:m |
>   cs2.:m7 gs:m7 | a:1.3.5.9 | a:m |
>   f | f | a | fs:m7 |
>   d:min6 | d:min6 | a:min7 | e:min7 |
>   f | f | b:sus4 | b:7 |
>   e | gs:min7 | a:1.3.5.9 | a:min | cs:min7 | gs:min7 | a:1.3.5.9 | a:min |
>   f4.:maj7 g4.:min7/bf a:/b b:7 | e
>
>
> }
> verseone = \lyricmode {
>   Most mer -- ci -- ful God,
>   we con -- fess that we've sinned a -- gainst thee
>   in thought, word, and deed,
>   by what we have done,
>   and by what we have left un -- done.
>   We have not loved thee with our whole heart;
>   we have not loved our neigh -- bours as our -- selves.
>   We are tru -- ly sor -- ry and we hum -- bly re -- pent.
>   For the sake of thy Son Je -- sus Christ,
>   have mer -- cy on us and for -- give us;
>   that we may de -- light in thy will,
>   and walk in thy ways,
>   to the glo -- ry of thy Name. A -- men.
> }
> versetwo = \lyricmode {
>
> }
> versethree = \lyricmode {
> }
> versefour = \lyricmode {
>
> }
> versefive = \lyricmode {
> }
> versesix = \lyricmode {
> }
> \score {
>   <<
> \new ChordNames {
>   \chordNames
> }
> \new Staff <<
>   \new Voice = "one" {
> \melody
>   }
>   \addlyrics {
> \verseone
>   }
>   \addlyrics {
> \versetwo
>   }
>   \addlyrics {
> \versethree
>   }
>   \addlyrics {
> \versefour
>   }
>   \addlyrics {
> \versefive
>   }
>   \addlyrics {
> \versesix
>   }
> >>
>   >>
>   \layout {
> #(layout-set-staff-size 20.5)
>   }
>   \midi { }
> }



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On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:42 PM, David Kastrup  wrote:

> Jason Silver  writes:
>
> > Anyone have thoughts on how to notate a A minor add 9?
> >
> > I've tried this:
> >
> > chExceptionMusic = {
> >   1-\markup { \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
> >   1-\markup { "m" \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
> > }
> >
> > with this:
> >
> > chordNames = \chordmode {
> >   \set chordNameExceptions = #chExceptions
> >   | a:1.3.5.9 | a:1.3f.5.9 |
> > }
> >
> > I get an error with the minor add 9.
>
> Please try not making up code on the fly but use the actual code you
> worked 

Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 20:42:39 +0100
David Kastrup  wrote:

> Jason Silver  writes:
> 
> > Anyone have thoughts on how to notate a A minor add 9?
> >
> > I've tried this:
> >
> > chExceptionMusic = {
> >   1-\markup { \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
> >   1-\markup { "m" \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
> > }
> >
> > with this:
> >
> > chordNames = \chordmode {
> >   \set chordNameExceptions = #chExceptions
> >   | a:1.3.5.9 | a:1.3f.5.9 |
> > }
> >
> > I get an error with the minor add 9.
> 
> Please try not making up code on the fly but use the actual code you
> worked with.  It's rather tricky for readers to figure out genuine
> errors from typos.  Here chExceptionMusic does not match chException,
> and anyway, there is no such thing as a:1.3f.5.9.

Of course there is. Who says no, the chord police? Regards, Rale

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[David Kastrup]

Jason Silver  writes:

> Anyone have thoughts on how to notate a A minor add 9?
>
> I've tried this:
>
> chExceptionMusic = {
>   1-\markup { \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
>   1-\markup { "m" \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
> }
>
> with this:
>
> chordNames = \chordmode {
>   \set chordNameExceptions = #chExceptions
>   | a:1.3.5.9 | a:1.3f.5.9 |
> }
>
> I get an error with the minor add 9.

Please try not making up code on the fly but use the actual code you
worked with.  It's rather tricky for readers to figure out genuine
errors from typos.  Here chExceptionMusic does not match chException,
and anyway, there is no such thing as a:1.3f.5.9.  Did you intend to
write - instead of f?

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Jason Silver]

Anyone have thoughts on how to notate a A minor add 9?

I've tried this:

chExceptionMusic = {
  1-\markup { \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
  1-\markup { "m" \super "add9" } % 1.3.5.9
}

with this:

chordNames = \chordmode {
  \set chordNameExceptions = #chExceptions
  | a:1.3.5.9 | a:1.3f.5.9 |
}

I get an error with the minor add 9.

Thanks!
Jason


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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[David Kastrup]

Nathan Ho  writes:

> A lot of young people today call the symbol a "hashtag." Some might
> scoff at this since a hashtag is an application of a hash and not the
> symbol itself, but hey, metonymy is metonymy.

Pars pro toto, like "Regulus' feet were neither last nor least among the
hussars of Orange".

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Andrew Bernard]

Other sources suggest that Mr Kerr’s story is fabricated or unreliable, and 
etymologists regard such stories with caution.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-oct1.htm

Amusingly, myself, apart from enjoying the word octothorpe, I also call it 
‘sharp’ (incorrectly), which brings us back to music!

Andrew


On 6/01/2016, 17:39, "Nathan Ho" 
 wrote:

Fun fact -- the term "octothorpe" was completely fabricated and doesn't 
have an etymology. It started out as an in-joke at Bell Labs: 
http://dougkerr.net/Pumpkin/articles/Octatherp.pdf

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[David Kastrup]

Andrew Bernard  writes:

> Other sources suggest that Mr Kerr’s story is fabricated or
> unreliable, and etymologists regard such stories with caution.
>
> http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-oct1.htm
>
> Amusingly, myself, apart from enjoying the word octothorpe, I also
> call it ‘sharp’ (incorrectly), which brings us back to music!

We could call it "augmented fifth".  Which is pretty much the same as an
octosharp.

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Andrew Bernard]

Well, something I never knew:

>From the Oxford English Dictionary II Online:

octothorp, n.

 The hash sign (#), as it appears on the buttons of touch-tone telephones and 
some other keypads.

1996   New Scientist 30 Mar. 54/3   The term ‘octothorp(e)’ (which MWCD10 dates 
1971) was invented for ‘#’, allegedly by Bell Labs engineers when touch-tone 
telephones were introduced in the mid-1960s. ‘Octo-’ means eight, and ‘thorp’ 
was an Old English word for village: apparently the sign was playfully 
construed as eight fields surrounding a village.


Andrew


On 6/01/2016, 15:55, "Colin Campbell" 
 wrote:

I wonder if the spaces delimited by the lines are thorpes? 

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Tim Reeves]

> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:55:42 -0700
> > From: Colin Campbell <c...@shaw.ca>
> > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> > Subject: Re: When to Use Pound Signs
> > Message-ID: <568c9e4e.6060...@shaw.ca>
> > 
> > On 16-01-05 09:47 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> > 
> > I wonder if the spaces delimited by the lines are thorpes? I' also 
> > carpent for a living, though.
> 
> The main problem with that theory is that there are nine such thorps.
>

The only things there seem to be eight of is the ends of the line segments 
comprising it. I also note that a sharp symbol does not have four 
perpendicular intersections like the hash/pound/octothorpe but rather, the 
horizontal lines are slanted.

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Simon Albrecht]

On 06.01.2016 19:55, Tim Reeves wrote:


> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:55:42 -0700
> > From: Colin Campbell <c...@shaw.ca>
> > To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> > Subject: Re: When to Use Pound Signs
> > Message-ID: <568c9e4e.6060...@shaw.ca>
> >
> > On 16-01-05 09:47 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if the spaces delimited by the lines are thorpes? I' also
> > carpent for a living, though.
>
> The main problem with that theory is that there are nine such thorps.
>

The only things there seem to be eight of is the ends of the line 
segments comprising it. I also note that a sharp symbol does not have 
four perpendicular intersections like the hash/pound/octothorpe


Now that we are at off-topic nitpicking: Many representations of # have 
slanted vertical lines, so no perpendicular intersections at all.


Best, Simon

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Thomas Morley]

2016-01-05 17:15 GMT+01:00 Abraham Lee :
> Jason,
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Jason Silver 
> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if someone would explain the purpose of the pound signs when
>> indicating measurements?
>>
>> For example, this seems to work:
>>
>>   system-system-spacing #'padding = .8
>>
>>
>> But I often see examples with # marks like:
>>
>>   system-system-spacing #'padding = #2
>
>
> The later form (with the #) was how it _used_ to be done, as a Scheme
> requirement, but our awesome developers

David Kastrup

> have been able to eliminate the
> requirement of prefixing numbers using # in recent development versions.

{
  \override Staff.Clef.font-size = .5
  R1
}

still returns an error, as well as

\markup \fontsize 5 "xy"

So there are still limitations.

> Both, however, remain perfectly valid input methods for back-ward
> compatibility. Other kinds of values will likely still need # to work
> properly.
>
> HTH,
> Abraham


In general, whenever you are in LilypPond-syntax and you see/write a
`#' then the parser knows a guile-expression follows and will act
accordingly.

Cheers,
  Harm

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Abraham Lee]

Jason,

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Jason Silver 
wrote:

> I wonder if someone would explain the purpose of the pound signs when
> indicating measurements?
>
> For example, this seems to work:
>
>   system-system-spacing #'padding = .8
>
>
> But I often see examples with # marks like:
>
>   system-system-spacing #'padding = #2
>

The later form (with the #) was how it _used_ to be done, as a Scheme
requirement, but our awesome developers have been able to eliminate the
requirement of prefixing numbers using # in recent development versions.
Both, however, remain perfectly valid input methods for back-ward
compatibility. Other kinds of values will likely still need # to work
properly.

HTH,
Abraham
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When to Use Pound Signs

[Jason Silver]

I wonder if someone would explain the purpose of the pound signs when
indicating measurements?

For example, this seems to work:

  system-system-spacing #'padding = .8


But I often see examples with # marks like:

  system-system-spacing #'padding = #2


Thanks!

Jason Silver


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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[David Kastrup]

Abraham Lee  writes:

> Jason,
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016, Jason Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if someone would explain the purpose of the pound signs when
>> indicating measurements?
>>
>> For example, this seems to work:
>>
>>   system-system-spacing #'padding = .8
>>
>>
>> But I often see examples with # marks like:
>>
>>   system-system-spacing #'padding = #2
>>
>
> The later form (with the #) was how it _used_ to be done, as a Scheme
> requirement, but our awesome developers have been able to eliminate the
> requirement of prefixing numbers using # in recent development
> versions.

Yes and no.  This assignment is expected to appear in a layout block,
and in a layout block it always worked like that.  In fact, if you want
to put a size like 0.8 \cm then you cannot even use Scheme for the
number.  In expressions used in music, 0.8 and 0.8 \cm started working
some time in the more recent past.  However, .8 or 8. still don't work
within music (and probably should never have worked anywhere at any time
if things had been designed sanely) which is not much of a surprise
since 8. needs to be a duration rather than a number.

In layout blocks, those sloppy numbers continue working.

So this is a mixture of sloppy conventions, sloppy history, and sloppy
design.  The general rule was to avoid Scheme numbers in parts of layout
and paper blocks and use them everywhere else.  Context modifications
changed camp from "output block syntax" to "music expression syntax"
also fairly recently and thus will no longer accept 8. or .8 as numbers.

> Both, however, remain perfectly valid input methods for back-ward
> compatibility. Other kinds of values will likely still need # to work
> properly.

There is also some slight difference in meaning for #{ ... #} since it's
not needed for the simplest numbers:

aaa = 8% a number
bbb = #{ 8 #}  % a duration

aaa = -4   % a number
bbb = #{ -4 #} % a fingering event

Is that nice?  Frankly, I doubt it.  It's probably the best compromise
between being useful and being expected.

When a music function gets to see 8 or -4 as one of its input arguments,
its interpretation will depend on the predicate function.  I think that
if the predicate would permit either, the number will win like in the
assignment.  But I don't really remember.

So basically the "awesome developers" were wading through broken glass
barefoot in order to get to a defensible position.

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[David Kastrup]

Thomas Morley  writes:

> {
>   \override Staff.Clef.font-size = .5
>   R1
> }
>
> still returns an error,

I don't think writing 0.5 is too much to demand.  4. is a duration.

> as well as
>
> \markup \fontsize 5 "xy"
>
> So there are still limitations.

Markup commands don't do contextual interpretation of their arguments
(or default arguments) at all.  They are like they always were.
Frankly, music function arguments were such a horror to get to the state
where they are now...

> In general, whenever you are in LilypPond-syntax and you see/write a
> `#' then the parser knows a guile-expression follows and will act
> accordingly.

Which means that it will just pass the job to the Scheme reader and pick
up after the Scheme reader has consumed one sexp.

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi all,

> Just listed some examples which require #.

While I realise that many situations don’t require # — and I greatly appreciate 
the developer(s)’(s) effort behind that feature/benefit — I still use # before 
every parameter, because I still prefer the way it distinguishes those values 
in the code.

That being said, I have stopped using # with \tweak… so I may eventually come 
around to the “way the kids do it nowadays” in all [possible] situations.

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Thomas Morley]

2016-01-05 18:33 GMT+01:00 David Kastrup :
> Thomas Morley  writes:
>
>> {
>>   \override Staff.Clef.font-size = .5
>>   R1
>> }
>>
>> still returns an error,
>
> I don't think writing 0.5 is too much to demand.  4. is a duration.

Agreed and I didn't meant to propose something else.
Just listed some examples which require #.

>
>> as well as
>>
>> \markup \fontsize 5 "xy"
>>
>> So there are still limitations.
>
> Markup commands don't do contextual interpretation of their arguments
> (or default arguments) at all.  They are like they always were.
> Frankly, music function arguments were such a horror to get to the state
> where they are now...
>
>> In general, whenever you are in LilypPond-syntax and you see/write a
>> `#' then the parser knows a guile-expression follows and will act
>> accordingly.
>
> Which means that it will just pass the job to the Scheme reader and pick
> up after the Scheme reader has consumed one sexp.
>
> --
> David Kastrup

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Andrew Bernard]

According to the Unicode Standard 6.2, this is u0023, which is designated 
Number Sign, and also known equivalently as:

pound sign, hash, crosshatch, octothorpe

I have always called it octothorpe, mostly because it is just such a great word!

Andrew


On 6/01/2016, 10:17, "J Martin Rushton" 
 wrote:

Just for the record: "£" is a pound sign, "#" is a hash.  

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Colin Campbell]

On 16-01-05 09:55 PM, Colin Campbell wrote:

I wonder if the spaces delimited by the lines are thorpes? I' also 
carpent for a living, though.





I also wonder how I thought there were eight spaces, not nine, but 
that's probably why I'm an apprentice carpenter!

Colin


--
I've learned that you shouldn't go through life with a catcher's mitt on both 
hands.
You need to be able to throw something back.
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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Cynthia Karl]

> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:55:42 -0700
> From: Colin Campbell <c...@shaw.ca>
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: When to Use Pound Signs
> Message-ID: <568c9e4e.6060...@shaw.ca>
> 
> On 16-01-05 09:47 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the spaces delimited by the lines are thorpes? I' also 
> carpent for a living, though.

The main problem with that theory is that there are nine such thorps.

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RE: When to Use Pound Signs

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

"Thorpe" is a Middle English term for a small village. England still has
many towns with that appellation, e.g., Thorpe Willoughby.

M

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Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:09 PM
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:55:42 -0700
> From: Colin Campbell <c...@shaw.ca>
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: When to Use Pound Signs
> Message-ID: <568c9e4e.6060...@shaw.ca>
> 
> On 16-01-05 09:47 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the spaces delimited by the lines are thorpes? I' also 
> carpent for a living, though.

The main problem with that theory is that there are nine such thorps.

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Colin Campbell]

On 16-01-05 09:47 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
According to the Unicode Standard 6.2, this is u0023, which is 
designated Number Sign, and also known equivalently as:


pound sign, hash, crosshatch, octothorpe

I have always called it octothorpe, mostly because it is just such a 
great word!





I wonder if the spaces delimited by the lines are thorpes? I' also 
carpent for a living, though.


Cheers,
Colin


--
Sometimes the thoughts in my head get so bored they go out for a stroll 
through my mouth. This is rarely a good thing.

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Nathan Ho]

On 2016-01-05 20:55, Colin Campbell wrote:

On 16-01-05 09:47 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
According to the Unicode Standard 6.2, this is u0023, which is 
designated Number Sign, and also known equivalently as:


pound sign, hash, crosshatch, octothorpe

I have always called it octothorpe, mostly because it is just such a 
great word!





I wonder if the spaces delimited by the lines are thorpes? I' also
carpent for a living, though.


Fun fact -- the term "octothorpe" was completely fabricated and doesn't 
have an etymology. It started out as an in-joke at Bell Labs: 
http://dougkerr.net/Pumpkin/articles/Octatherp.pdf


A lot of young people today call the symbol a "hashtag." Some might 
scoff at this since a hashtag is an application of a hash and not the 
symbol itself, but hey, metonymy is metonymy.


Nathan

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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[J Martin Rushton]

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On 05/01/16 23:42, David Bellows wrote:
> According to the Wikipedia article 
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign) in North America
> referring to # as "pound sign" dates back to at least 1932 in
> published material which predates ASCII by almost 30 years. The
> Wikipedia article provides a citation for this but I am unable to
> verify it. But I will note that I first learned it as "pound sign"
> in the early '70s which I doubt had anything to do with computer
> standards.

Interesting, but see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound.  you'll
note of course the irony that you are quoting a page entitled "Number
sign" no doubt!

> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:17 PM, J Martin Rushton 
>  wrote: Just for the record: "£" is
> a pound sign, "#" is a hash.  Calling the hash sign a pound sign
> goes way back to the days of ASCII-7 and national ASCII variants.
> The UK national variant had a pound sign where plain ASCII had a
> hash.  If anyone is _really_ interested, the £ sign is a capital
> "L" (for libra, Latin for a pound) with a line through it, a bit
> like dollars and letter "S".
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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[J Martin Rushton]

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Just for the record: "£" is a pound sign, "#" is a hash.  Calling the
hash sign a pound sign goes way back to the days of ASCII-7 and
national ASCII variants.  The UK national variant had a pound sign
where plain ASCII had a hash.  If anyone is _really_ interested, the £
sign is a capital "L" (for libra, Latin for a pound) with a line
through it, a bit like dollars and letter "S".
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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[David Bellows]

According to the Wikipedia article
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign) in North America referring
to # as "pound sign" dates back to at least 1932 in published material
which predates ASCII by almost 30 years. The Wikipedia article
provides a citation for this but I am unable to verify it. But I will
note that I first learned it as "pound sign" in the early '70s which I
doubt had anything to do with computer standards.



On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:17 PM, J Martin Rushton
 wrote:
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>
> Just for the record: "£" is a pound sign, "#" is a hash.  Calling the
> hash sign a pound sign goes way back to the days of ASCII-7 and
> national ASCII variants.  The UK national variant had a pound sign
> where plain ASCII had a hash.  If anyone is _really_ interested, the £
> sign is a capital "L" (for libra, Latin for a pound) with a line
> through it, a bit like dollars and letter "S".
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RE: When to Use Pound Signs

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

What you term the pound sign, derives from the Latin libra, pound. The word was 
altered into livre, £ (1550's), as a French monetary amount equal to one pound 
of silver. The unit of measure was changed to the term franc. Today the same 
symbol is used as designation for the English pound - at one time worth one 
pound sterling.

Mark

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Martin Rushton
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 3:17 PM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
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Just for the record: "£" is a pound sign, "#" is a hash.  Calling the hash sign 
a pound sign goes way back to the days of ASCII-7 and national ASCII variants.  
The UK national variant had a pound sign where plain ASCII had a hash.  If 
anyone is _really_ interested, the £ sign is a capital "L" (for libra, Latin 
for a pound) with a line through it, a bit like dollars and letter "S".
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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi,

> Just for the record: "£" is a pound sign, "#" is a hash
> Calling the hash sign a pound sign goes way back to the days
> of ASCII-7 and national ASCII variants.


Actually, the use of # as a “pound sign” goes back at least to 1850: 
.

I prefer octothorpe, which is [as far as I can tell] completely unambiguous.

Cheers,
Kieren.


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Re: When to Use Pound Signs

[J Martin Rushton]

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On 05/01/16 23:51, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:
> What you term the pound sign, derives from the Latin libra, pound.
> The word was altered into livre, £ (1550's), as a French monetary
> amount equal to one pound of silver. The unit of measure was
> changed to the term franc. Today the same symbol is used as
> designation for the English pound - at one time worth one pound
> sterling.
> 
> Mark
Not just French.  It was common across most of Europe, ultimately
deriving from the Charlemangne's currency reforms which sought to
invoke the Roman Empire's authority.
> -Original Message- From:
> lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
> [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On
> Behalf Of J Martin Rushton Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 3:17 PM 
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: When to Use Pound Signs
> 
> Just for the record: "£" is a pound sign, "#" is a hash.  Calling
> the hash sign a pound sign goes way back to the days of ASCII-7 and
> national ASCII variants.  The UK national variant had a pound sign
> where plain ASCII had a hash.  If anyone is _really_ interested,
> the £ sign is a capital "L" (for libra, Latin for a pound) with a
> line through it, a bit like dollars and letter "S".
> 
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