Re: another fingering question
I don't know whether I'd be better off hard-coding the entire range of notes - about three octaves or more - or specifying all the open notes then specifying the fingering from the open note above. This has been an interesting discussion! I hadn't thought about the implications of hard-writing fingerings into music to be transposed. A related (but much harder) problem is the situation where an arranger specifies alternative fingerings. Apart from the suggested case of tutorials for beginning students, this would be the most common use of the fingering facility in brass music (and, I dare say, other types of instrument as well.) This would be quite difficult to automate, because there will be more than one alternative for most notes of the second two octaves. Apart from a simple 1-2 -- 3 substitution, knowing how to choose one apart from the rest would be guess work. I would suggest some sort of hash table (similar to the definitions for drumStaffs) for fingerings. You may be able to suggest a default, and allow arrangers to substitute their own definitions as appropriate. Of course, if an arranger is going to go to the trouble of defining all this it may be easier to manually go through the score and change everything by hand. How easy this is to do in the real world I don't know, but I'll be very interested to see what you come up with. Thanks for giving it a go! Cameron ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: another fingering question
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^ and _ are provided as a shorthand for:
\override Script #'direction = UP/DOWN
My only comment here is that (when using \markup) it does not appear to
be a shorthand for *override*. It seems to be a shorthand for *specify*.
In other words, an override is optional - but IME (2.2) ^ and _ are a
necessity.
no, you can also leave out the direction, eg.
c-4
\markup { \finger DIGIT }
Jan.
Seeing as we're discussing this, is there a mechanism whereby fingering
can be added automatically? For example, bes' would always
automatically be fingered 1 (brass players will recognise a transposed
Bb :-)
No, but I can code it up for you, if you like! Very cheap, only $25
:-)
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Re: another fingering question
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Han-Wen Nienhuys
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
^ and _ are provided as a shorthand for:
\override Script #'direction = UP/DOWN
My only comment here is that (when using \markup) it does not appear to
be a shorthand for *override*. It seems to be a shorthand for *specify*.
In other words, an override is optional - but IME (2.2) ^ and _ are a
necessity.
no, you can also leave out the direction, eg.
c-4
Sorry, wrong example!
I did say - when using \markup.
So (this is from memory) if I do c\markup{ mute } it fails, but
changing it to c^\markup{ mute } works fine.
I might have got my syntax wrong (probably have) but adding the ^ or _
was the difference between it working and failing! Having written my
stuff without them, I was forced to add them to every occurrence in
order to get it to work.
\markup { \finger DIGIT }
Jan.
Seeing as we're discussing this, is there a mechanism whereby fingering
can be added automatically? For example, bes' would always
automatically be fingered 1 (brass players will recognise a transposed
Bb :-)
No, but I can code it up for you, if you like! Very cheap, only $25
:-)
If I get the time, I'll code it myself (I want to learn) but what it
would need is some way of specifying the fundamental note (eg for a
trumpet I would choose concert B flat below middle C), and once you've
got that note the fingering for every valved brass instrument is
identical relative to that note. And for my own instrument (the slide
trombone) the principle if not practice is the same :-)
Cheers,
Wol
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Re: another fingering question
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Han-Wen Nienhuys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
^ and _ are provided as a shorthand for:
\override Script #'direction = UP/DOWN
My only comment here is that (when using \markup) it does not appear to
be a shorthand for *override*. It seems to be a shorthand for *specify*.
In other words, an override is optional - but IME (2.2) ^ and _ are a
necessity.
no, you can also leave out the direction, eg.
c-4
Sorry, wrong example!
I did say - when using \markup.
c-\markup{ .. }
without the - Lilypond will interpret the \markup as a lyric syllable.
Seeing as we're discussing this, is there a mechanism whereby fingering
can be added automatically? For example, bes' would always
automatically be fingered 1 (brass players will recognise a transposed
Bb :-)
No, but I can code it up for you, if you like! Very cheap, only $25
:-)
If I get the time, I'll code it myself (I want to learn) but what it
would need is some way of specifying the fundamental note (eg for a
trumpet I would choose concert B flat below middle C), and once you've
Try writing a music function, which takes the fundamental as an extra
argument.
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Re: another fingering question
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes If I get the time, I'll code it myself (I want to learn) but what it would need is some way of specifying the fundamental note (eg for a trumpet I would choose concert B flat below middle C), and once you've Try writing a music function, which takes the fundamental as an extra argument. I'd have to add the fundamental as some staff property or whatever - just like you specify \transpose I'd specify the fundamental there. So's I would just modify the notehead engraver or similar, and it would say if the note is x semitones above the fundamental, then the fingering is y. I don't know whether I'd be better off hard-coding the entire range of notes - about three octaves or more - or specifying all the open notes then specifying the fingering from the open note above. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk HEX wondered how much he should tell the Wizards. He felt it would not be a good idea to burden them with too much input. Hex always thought of his reports as Lies-to-People. The Science of Discworld : (c) Terry Pratchett 1999 ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: another fingering question
On Wednesday 11 August 2004 05:07 pm, Carl D. Sorensen wrote: You have a syntax error, which is easily remedied. Instead of c-5, you change to c_5 to force the markup below and c^5 to force it above. You never use c_-5. -4 4- and 3-4 are all very useful in fingering, and they have been requested and used for years. Why should c_-5 c^5- or c_5-4 remain a problem? Anyone who wants a default fingering could put a hyphen on the *first* fingering, and then they would all be as now. c_-5_-4^3-^1- would work c-5-4-3-1 would work c--5_-4^3-^1- would not work. -- Paying more at the gas pump? Bush's Oil Sheikh Buddies, who support Al Qaeda, Palestinian terrorists, hate-U.S. school systems everywhere, need more of your money now to arm and pay Iraqis to kill Americans. D. Raleigh Arnold dra@ (http://www.) openguitar.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: another fingering question
David Raleigh Arnold writes:
-4 4- and 3-4 are all very useful in fingering, and they have been
requested and used for years. Why should c_-5 c^5- or c_5-4 remain a
problem?
You're just trolling, right?
Anyway, there's this tiny implementation detail called language
specification that someone needs to deal with. See lily/parser.yy
^ and _ are provided as a shorthand for:
\override Script #'direction = UP/DOWN
and [^_-]DIGIT is a shorhand for
\markup { \finger DIGIT }
Jan.
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another fingering question
You have a syntax error, which is easily remedied. Instead of c-5, you change to c_5 to force the markup below and c^5 to force it above. You never use c_-5. Carl Carl D. Sorensen Department of Mechanical Engineering Brigham Young University 435 CTB Provo, UT 84602 801-422-6397FAX 801-422-0516 ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
another fingering question
how to add the fingerings BELOW the notes ? (in the bottom piano staff) i tried eg. c_-5 but this does not work... any suggestions ? thx a lot korneel _ New: download more than 350.000 tracks starting from 0,80! http://entertainment.msn.be/muziek/musicclub ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: another fingering question
Hopefully, you can find the answer at http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.2/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond/Articulations.html#Articulations If not, we should clarify the manual. /Mats korneel bernolet wrote: how to add the fingerings BELOW the notes ? (in the bottom piano staff) i tried eg. c_-5 but this does not work... any suggestions ? thx a lot korneel _ New: download more than 350.000 tracks starting from 0,80! http://entertainment.msn.be/muziek/musicclub ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
