Re: "dal segno" several times

2014-05-13 Thread Carlo Vanoni
Thanks for the answers,

by the way, the song I told you about was just an example. It could be more 
complicated.
Another example.
Say I'm writing a modal composition, where the bass part is made of 4 "drones" 
of a single bar, each repeated 32 times. Something like:

firstDrone = { c4 d e f }
secondDrone = { d2 r2 }
thirdDrone = { c4 r c r }
fourthDrone = { c1 }
mainBassPart =
{
    \repeat volta 32 { \firstDrone \mark "x32" }
    \repeat volta 32 { \secondDrone\mark"x32" }
    \repeat volta 32 { \thirdDrone\mark"x32" }
    \repeat volta 32 { \fourthDrone\mark"x32" }
}

Now the song repeats 4 times all the mainBassPart (well, yeah, I surely suck at 
composing).
Unfolding the "repeat volta" as you suggested and put just the x4 main repeats 
will create a not-very-practical 128 measures sheet .
Having a "D.S. x4" (or what else can be used) will create a score that can be 
far more easy to read.


Il Martedì 13 Maggio 2014 2:19, Jim Long  ha scritto:
 
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 05:53:33PM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:56:27 -0700
> Jim Long  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:18:37PM +0100, Carlo Vanoni wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have a simple song, where the verse is 4 measures repeated
> > > twice, and the chorus again 4 measures repeated twice.
> 
> What would you do if you had seven verses? Or twenty?

I would still give the same advice:  Don't write

(Intro)
/Segno/
|: 4-bar verse  :|
|: 4-bar chorus :| "D.S. 7 times" (or 20)
(Outro)

but instead write:

(Intro)
|: 8-bar verse   |
|  8-bar chorus :| "play 7 times" (or 20)
(Outro)

The OP didn't mention lyrics, but sure, if there are some,
stack the stanzas up 7 or 20 deep under the melody staff.  Or
perhaps if there are that many stanzas, list them at the end
of the music, as per

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/stanzas#printing-stanzas-at-the-end

Then the performer should see pretty clearly how many times to
play the verse-chorus pair.




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Re: "dal segno" several times

2014-05-12 Thread Jim Long
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 05:53:33PM -0400, David Raleigh Arnold wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:56:27 -0700
> Jim Long  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:18:37PM +0100, Carlo Vanoni wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have a simple song, where the verse is 4 measures repeated
> > > twice, and the chorus again 4 measures repeated twice.
> 
> What would you do if you had seven verses? Or twenty?

I would still give the same advice:  Don't write

(Intro)
/Segno/
|: 4-bar verse  :|
|: 4-bar chorus :| "D.S. 7 times" (or 20)
(Outro)

but instead write:

(Intro)
|: 8-bar verse   |
|  8-bar chorus :| "play 7 times" (or 20)
(Outro)

The OP didn't mention lyrics, but sure, if there are some,
stack the stanzas up 7 or 20 deep under the melody staff.  Or
perhaps if there are that many stanzas, list them at the end
of the music, as per

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/stanzas#printing-stanzas-at-the-end

Then the performer should see pretty clearly how many times to
play the verse-chorus pair.



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Re: "dal segno" several times

2014-05-12 Thread David Raleigh Arnold
On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:56:27 -0700
Jim Long  wrote:

> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:18:37PM +0100, Carlo Vanoni wrote:
> > 
> > I have a simple song, where the verse is 4 measures repeated
> > twice, and the chorus again 4 measures repeated twice.

What would you do if you had seven verses? Or twenty?
Indicate what is verse and what is chorus, and with two
or three lines of lyrics underneath the music, repeat signs are not 
necessary at all.

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Re: "dal segno" several times

2014-05-12 Thread Jim Long
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 12:18:37PM +0100, Carlo Vanoni wrote:
> 
> I have a simple song, where the verse is 4 measures repeated twice, and the 
> chorus again 4 measures repeated twice.

[snip]

> I can print all the section as stated above, but it will be easier to have 
> something like this
> intro
> ||: verse
> chorus :|| x3 times
> outro

If the verse and the chorus are so brief, I would not engrave
repeat bar lines around the four-bar repeated sections, only the
outer "3x" repeat that wraps the entire 16-bar verse-chorus
section.

If you wish, you could use 'repeat unfold' in your code:

myVerse = \relative f {
% four bars, engraved twice:
  \repeat unfold 2 {
a1 b1 c1 b1
  }
} % myVerse

myChorus = \relative f {
% four bars, engraved twice:
  \repeat unfold 2 {
c1 a1 b1 a1 
  }
} % myChorus

threeTimes = \repeat 3 {
  \myVerse
  \myChorus
}


Jim


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"dal segno" several times

2014-05-12 Thread Carlo Vanoni
Hi everyone,

this is more a generic music notation question than a LilyPond related. By the 
way, I will ask it here so I can get a LilyPond related solution if needed, too.

I have a simple song, where the verse is 4 measures repeated twice, and the 
chorus again 4 measures repeated twice.
The song is like this:
intro
verse
chorus
verse
chorus
verse
chorus
outro

I can print all the section as stated above, but it will be easier to have 
something like this
intro
||: verse
chorus :|| x3 times
outro

If the verse and the chorus don't have repeats themself, one can use a simple 
repeat. Since they have repeats, I can't use "nested repeat", can I? My idea is 
to use a "D.S. 3 times" (probably with a "take all repeats"), or similar, but 
I'm not sure it is the correct way.
Of course, in this example, I can remove the single section repeat (so verse 
becomes 8 measures, same for chorus) and use a simple repeat to get the result. 
By the way, I'm looking for a generic scenario solution.

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