Re: italian list or forum

[Federico Bruni]

On Fri, 29 May, 2020 at 23:42, Valentin Villenave 
 wrote:

On 5/29/20, Federico Bruni  wrote:

 Next week I'll send a patch to update the website.


Great!  This should also appear in news-headlines, methinks.

Looking forward to seeing your patch!



The patch has been merged, but I forgot to announce it in this thread.
If you haven't already, you can subscribe here:
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-it

Re: italian list or forum

[Valentin Villenave]

On 5/29/20, Federico Bruni  wrote:
> Next week I'll send a patch to update the website.

Great!  This should also appear in news-headlines, methinks.

Looking forward to seeing your patch!

Cheers,
-- V.

Re: italian list or forum

[Federico Bruni]

On Sat, 23 May, 2020 at 09:39, Valentin Villenave 
 wrote:

My advice would be to name your list lilypond-it


Here is it:
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-it

Next week I'll send a patch to update the website.

Re: italian list or forum

[Han-Wen Nienhuys]

Done.

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 1:22 PM Federico Bruni  wrote:
>
> Il giorno sab 23 mag 2020 alle 09:39, Valentin Villenave
>  ha scritto:
> > On 5/22/20, Federico Bruni  wrote:
> >>  Do you know how can I ask GNU to create a new mailing list?
> >
> > LilyPond has currently four admins listed on Savannah:
> > https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/lilypond/
> > Han-Wen or David might be your best bet these days.
>
> Hi Han-Wen
>
> Could you create a lilypond-it mailing list on gnu.org?
>
>
>


-- 
Han-Wen Nienhuys - hanw...@gmail.com - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen

Re: italian list or forum

[Valentin Villenave]

On 5/22/20, Federico Bruni  wrote:
> Do you know how can I ask GNU to create a new mailing list?

LilyPond has currently four admins listed on Savannah:
https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/lilypond/
Han-Wen or David might be your best bet these days.

You can refer to this thread:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-12/msg00678.html

My advice would be to name your list lilypond-it like Paco did for the
Spanish-speaking list, rather than lilypond-user-fr which we’ve been
stuck with since forever. (I’m cc-ing him; maybe he’ll have more
insights for you.)

When your list gets created, of course you’ll need to update
Documentation/web/community.itexi, add an announcement to
web/news-new.itexi and a link to web/news-headlines.itexi so that it
appears on the front page.

In case you want to customize your mailing list’s HTML pages like I
did, here’s the templates I’ve made up (look at the source code):
http://valentin.villenave.net/upload/files/listinfo.html
http://valentin.villenave.net/upload/files/subscribe.html
http://valentin.villenave.net/upload/files/options.html
You can edit the templates for your list at
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/edithtml/lilypond-it (or whatever your
list’s name will be).

You may also want to edit some of the translated strings in the admin
interface; I found that many of these were a bit confusing; again you
can compare
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
with
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr

Of course, you can also create a "forum" at Nabble afterwards, and add
the link to community.itexi (we have many, many inexperienced users
who use that for some reason; I never quite understood why).  In that
case, try to explain clearly to your new Nabble subscribers that they
actually need *two* subscriptions: one at Nabble, and one to the
actual mailing list.

Good luck!

Cheers,
-- V.

Re: italian list or forum

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno ven 22 mag 2020 alle 20:48, Valentin Villenave 
 ha scritto:


Hey Federico,
in case you end up opening a GNU mailing list, may I offer you some of
my CSS overrides?



Thanks, I will!

Do you know how can I ask GNU to create a new mailing list?

Re: italian list or forum

[Mario Bolognani]

The french format looks more attractive.

Best,

Mario


Mario Bolognani
email:  mario.bologn...@gmail.com
www.baroquemusic.it



> Il giorno 22 mag 2020, alle ore 20:48, Valentin Villenave 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> On 5/21/20, Federico Bruni  wrote:
>> What would you suggest to use?
> 
> Hey Federico,
> in case you end up opening a GNU mailing list, may I offer you some of
> my CSS overrides?
> 
> Before:
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
> After:
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr
> 
> I’ll let you judge which one looks more welcoming :-)
> 
> Cheers!
> -- V.
> 

Re: italian list or forum

[Valentin Villenave]

On 5/21/20, Federico Bruni  wrote:
> What would you suggest to use?

Hey Federico,
in case you end up opening a GNU mailing list, may I offer you some of
my CSS overrides?

Before:
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
After:
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr

I’ll let you judge which one looks more welcoming :-)

Cheers!
-- V.

Re: italian list or forum

[Mario Bolognani]

Good idea, I am interested.


Mario Bolognani
email:  mario.bologn...@gmail.com
www.baroquemusic.it



> Il giorno 22 mag 2020, alle ore 13:54, Gianmaria Lari 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Ciao Federico,
> 
> [...] As I'm seeing more and more italians here (and also on Frescobaldi 
> mailing list), I think it's the moment to create a new italian 
> "community place".
> Please let me know if you are interested.
> 
> Interested.
> No preference regarding Mailing list on gnu.org  or google 
> groups. 
> 
> Ciao, g.

Re: italian list or forum

[Gianmaria Lari]

Ciao Federico,

[...] As I'm seeing more and more italians here (and also on Frescobaldi
> mailing list), I think it's the moment to create a new italian
> "community place".
> Please let me know if you are interested.
>

Interested.
No preference regarding Mailing list on gnu.org or google groups.

Ciao, g.

Re: italian list or forum

[Karlin High]

On 5/21/2020 4:37 AM, Federico Bruni wrote:

2. Google group



Con: Google might dismiss it one day;


I administer a small (~100 member) Google Group list for others in my 
occupation. It works OK for what it is, although it can get badly 
confused when someone wants to join with a non-Google email that's had a 
Google account created for it.


Google tried to kill off the Groups product at the introduction of their 
Google+ social network. But somehow, Groups has outlived its intended 
successor. Just don't expect any improvements to Groups unless it's by 
accident.

--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA

Re: italian list or forum

[Davide Liessi]

Il giorno gio 21 mag 2020 alle ore 11:42 Federico Bruni
 ha scritto:
> I think it's the moment to create a new italian
> "community place".
> Please let me know if you are interested.

I'm interested and I believe it would attract many users.

> What would you suggest to use?

I would prefer

> 1. Mailing list on gnu.org (as this one)

Best wishes.
Davide

Re: italian list or forum

[Luca Rossetto Casel]

Dear Federico and all,

    I'm interested to partecipate too! On choosing between a mailing 
list or a Google group, I have no particular preferences.


Thnak you!

    Luca

Il 21/05/20 11:37, Federico Bruni ha scritto:

This is a message for the italian users subscribed to this mailing list.
Some years ago I asked if anybody were interested in creating an 
italian mailing list. We were just three :-( so I gave up:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-12/msg00653.html

As I'm seeing more and more italians here (and also on Frescobaldi 
mailing list), I think it's the moment to create a new italian 
"community place".

Please let me know if you are interested.

What would you suggest to use?
Some options:

1. Mailing list on gnu.org (as this one)
Pro: supported by GNU project. We are confident the archive of 
messages will remain.

Con: no web interface; "old-fashioned" archive with poor usability.

2. Google group
Pro: can be used as a normal mailing list as well as a forum on the 
browser.
Con: Google might dismiss it one day; I'm not fond of being logged in 
with a google account with my browser, so I would use it as a mailing 
list.


Other options?

I'm for 1.

Let me know your thoughts.

Ciao
Federico

Re: italian list or forum

[Francesco Napoleoni]

Hi Federico

In data giovedì 21 maggio 2020 11:37:34 CEST, Federico Bruni ha scritto:
> This is a message for the italian users subscribed to this mailing list.
> Some years ago I asked if anybody were interested in creating an
> italian mailing list.
> [...]
> Please let me know if you are interested.

Yes, I am!! :-)

> What would you suggest to use?
> Some options:
> 
> 1. Mailing list on gnu.org (as this one)
> [...]
> I'm for 1.

Me too. The less Google (and other pervasive monsters) creeps into my life, 
the better I feel. ;-)

That said, I just have no idea on how to create this list, but I also see many 
Italians interested in Lilypond and I think it would be great if we could get 
together.

ciao
Francesco Napoleoni

italian list or forum

[Federico Bruni]

This is a message for the italian users subscribed to this mailing list.
Some years ago I asked if anybody were interested in creating an 
italian mailing list. We were just three :-( so I gave up:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-12/msg00653.html

As I'm seeing more and more italians here (and also on Frescobaldi 
mailing list), I think it's the moment to create a new italian 
"community place".

Please let me know if you are interested.

What would you suggest to use?
Some options:

1. Mailing list on gnu.org (as this one)
Pro: supported by GNU project. We are confident the archive of messages 
will remain.

Con: no web interface; "old-fashioned" archive with poor usability.

2. Google group
Pro: can be used as a normal mailing list as well as a forum on the 
browser.
Con: Google might dismiss it one day; I'm not fond of being logged in 
with a google account with my browser, so I would use it as a mailing 
list.


Other options?

I'm for 1.

Let me know your thoughts.

Ciao
Federico