Re: kneed beam a la Bach

2015-06-20 Thread Klaus Blum 
Simon Albrecht-2 wrote
 {
b'8\stemDown a'' g'' b'\stemUp
 }
 
 – however, it doesn’t work… (Why?)

Hi Simon, 

just put \stemDown and \stemUp *before* the note:

{
   \stemDown b'8a'' g'' \stemUp b'
} 

Cheers, 
Klaus



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Re: kneed beam a la Bach

2015-06-20 Thread Simon Albrecht 

Am 20.06.2015 um 12:15 schrieb Klaus Blum:

Simon Albrecht-2 wrote

{
b'8\stemDown a'' g'' b'\stemUp
}

– however, it doesn’t work… (Why?)

Hi Simon,

just put \stemDown and \stemUp *before* the note:

Silly me… it was too late at night :-)
Best regards, Simon

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Re: kneed beam a la Bach

2015-06-20 Thread Pierre Perol-Schneider 
Hi Mark,

I'd do:

\version 2.19.21
{
  \offset positions #'(2 . 0) Beam
  b'8 a'' g'' \once\stemUp b'
}

Cheers,
Pierre

2015-06-20 0:30 GMT+02:00 MarcM m...@mouries.net:

 i played with the kneed beam settings but could not find a way to reproduce
 this kneed beam from Bach.
 Is that feasible?

 http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n178005/kneed_beam_Bach.png



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kneed beam a la Bach

2015-06-19 Thread MarcM 
i played with the kneed beam settings but could not find a way to reproduce
this kneed beam from Bach.
Is that feasible?

http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n178005/kneed_beam_Bach.png 



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Re: kneed beam a la Bach

2015-06-19 Thread Simon Albrecht 

Am 20.06.2015 um 00:39 schrieb Nick Payne:

On 20/06/2015 08:30, MarcM wrote:
i played with the kneed beam settings but could not find a way to 
reproduce

this kneed beam from Bach.
Is that feasible?

http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n178005/kneed_beam_Bach.png


\version 2.19.21

{
  \once \override Beam.positions = #'(-2 . 2)
  b'8 a'' g'' b'
}

I’d prefer something like

\version 2.19.20

\layout {
  \context {
\Voice
\override Beam.auto-knee-gap = 1
  }
}

{
  b'8\stemDown a'' g'' b'\stemUp
}

– however, it doesn’t work… (Why?)

So generally speaking: I share your fancy for Bach’s handwriting(1) and 
I also like to have more kneed beams than Lilypond does by default (my 
standard style sheet has an auto-knee-gap of 2.5, with the default being 
5.5). But for different (stylistic and technical) reasons I don’t think 
it’s possible or advisable to imitate such a handwriting with Lilypond 
more closely:

– The use of straight beams instead of curved ones.
– As can be seen in your example, Bach has been extending stems beyond 
the beam where they would else have become too short. This has reasons 
both in aesthetics, as I think, and, more importantly, in legibility. 
Such a possibility would have yet to be incorporated into Lilypond :-)
Others may be added, such as different conventions using clefs and 
distance between staves and staff-changing c. pp.

– The scarcely limited striving to save space is relativised.
– Finally, the individuality and subtlety of handwriting cannot, or not 
sensibly, (?) be reproduced by algorithms (which leads to much more 
basic questions…). Also the goal is a different one with both the 
hand-engraved scores in the zenith of their art, and Lilyponds 
engraving, for which they serve as a model: it’s to be ultimately 
legible, balanced and somewhat objective (beauty notwithstanding :-)).


Happy engraving!

Yours sincerely,
Simon

(1) (and I try to emulate it (somewhat) in my own handwriting. Though, a 
great difference also comes by not using quill and ink, but pencil and 
modern paper :-)


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Re: kneed beam a la Bach

2015-06-19 Thread Nick Payne 

On 20/06/2015 08:30, MarcM wrote:

i played with the kneed beam settings but could not find a way to reproduce
this kneed beam from Bach.
Is that feasible?

http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n178005/kneed_beam_Bach.png


\version 2.19.21

{
  \once \override Beam.positions = #'(-2 . 2)
  b'8 a'' g'' b'
}

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Re: kneed beam a la Bach

2015-06-19 Thread Martin Tarenskeen 



On Fri, 19 Jun 2015, MarcM wrote:


i played with the kneed beam settings but could not find a way to reproduce
this kneed beam from Bach.
Is that feasible?

http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/file/n178005/kneed_beam_Bach.png


I love Bach's handwriting, especially his swinging curvy beams :-)

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