Re: markups and accents inside staff
Aaron Hill writes:
> On 2022-07-31 2:11 pm, Jim Cline wrote:
>>> Can you provide a MWE? (https://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html)
>>> --
>>> Knute Snortum
>> Sure, here is one. The vspace is ignored, no matter what value is
>> given.
>> %%%
>> \version "2.20.0"
>> \relative c {
>> \time 3/4
>> g'' e' d_\markup{\hspace #-4 \vspace #-7 x}
>> }
>
> I am not certain negative \hspace or \vspace is supported. For
> \hspace, it probably only works by fluke.
Both are supported just fine. But a \vspace in an (implicit) \line does
not do a whole lot. It's essentially a "strut" but it does not affect
the skyline, just dimensions.
--
David Kastrup
Re: markups and accents inside staff
Hi Jim,
> I guess \vspace is not intended for use within markups?
Well… \vspace is not intended to be used within markups the way you were trying
to use it. :)
\markup \column {
"this"
\vspace #5
"works"
}
If you want to move something down, you can use \lower:
\markup { "this" \lower #12 "is lower" }
Hope that helps!
Kieren.
Re: markups and accents inside staff
I am not certain negative \hspace or \vspace is supported. For \hspace, it probably only works by fluke. Hi Aaron, thanks for those examples! To clarify, when I said that \vspace is disregarded no matter what the value, that includes positive values. In fact, it is ignored regardless of whether \hspace is present. I guess \vspace is not intended for use within markups? --Jim
Re: markups and accents inside staff
On 2022-07-31 2:11 pm, Jim Cline wrote:
Can you provide a MWE? (https://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html)
--
Knute Snortum
Sure, here is one. The vspace is ignored, no matter what value is
given.
%%%
\version "2.20.0"
\relative c {
\time 3/4
g'' e' d_\markup{\hspace #-4 \vspace #-7 x}
}
I am not certain negative \hspace or \vspace is supported. For \hspace,
it probably only works by fluke.
Regardless, in order to overlap the staff, you must disable
outside-staff-priority. Additionally, you may need to specify negative
padding. Consider:
\relative c {
\time 3/4
g'' e' d-\tweak outside-staff-priority ##f
-\tweak X-offset -1.2 -\tweak Y-offset 1
_\markup \with-color #red \vcenter x
}
\relative c {
\time 3/4
g'' e' d-\tweak outside-staff-priority ##f
-\tweak padding #-5
_\markup \translate #'(-1.2 . 3.5)
\with-color #red \vcenter x
}
-- Aaron Hill
Re: markups and accents inside staff
Can you provide a MWE? (https://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html)
--
Knute Snortum
Sure, here is one. The vspace is ignored, no matter what value is given.
%%%
\version "2.20.0"
\relative c {
\time 3/4
g'' e' d_\markup{\hspace #-4 \vspace #-7 x}
}
--Jim
Re: markups and accents inside staff
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 8:08 AM Jim Cline wrote:
>
> Hi Knute, thanks, that works. I am also trying to figure out how to do
> the analogous thing with the placement of a markup text. Putting the same
> tweaks within the markup does not compile. Putting
>
> \markup{\hspace #4 \vspace #-2 text}
>
> applies the hspace but ignores the vspace. --Jim
Can you provide a MWE? (https://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html)
--
Knute Snortum
Re: markups and accents inside staff
Jim Cline writes:
>> You can always write something like
>>
>> %%%
>> \version "2.20.0"
>> \relative c {
>> \time 3/4
>> \mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
>> <<{4\arpeggio e' d}\\{ g,8._\tweak extra-offset #'(0.5 . 3) ->
>> dis16 a2}>>|
>> }
>>
>> but frankly, it quite evades me why you would consider this desirable
>> over the default output.
>
> In the present example, the accent being so far away from the note leaves
> the performer in doubt about whether it applies to the inside voice rather
> than the whole chord, so I was trying to make that more clear.
> thanks--jim
The solution to that, of course, is to just refrain from merging the
note heads.
--
David Kastrup
Re: markups and accents inside staff
You can always write something like
%%%
\version "2.20.0"
\relative c {
\time 3/4
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
<<{4\arpeggio e' d}\\{ g,8._\tweak extra-offset #'(0.5 . 3) -> dis16
a2}>>|
}
but frankly, it quite evades me why you would consider this desirable
over the default output.
In the present example, the accent being so far away from the note leaves
the performer in doubt about whether it applies to the inside voice rather
than the whole chord, so I was trying to make that more clear.
thanks--jim
Re: markups and accents inside staff
Hi Knute, thanks, that works. I am also trying to figure out how to do
the analogous thing with the placement of a markup text. Putting the same
tweaks within the markup does not compile. Putting
\markup{\hspace #4 \vspace #-2 text}
applies the hspace but ignores the vspace. --Jim
I believe you can do what you want by setting the
outside-staff-priority to ##f and then using Y-offset to move the
accent.
%%%
\version "2.20.0"
\relative c {
\time 3/4
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
<<
{ 4\arpeggio e' d }
\\
{ g,8.
-\tweak outside-staff-priority ##f
-\tweak Y-offset -3
_> dis16 a2
}
>> |
}
%%%
--
Knute Snortum
Re: markups and accents inside staff
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 7:01 AM Jim Cline wrote:
>
> Apologies in advance; this seems like it must be simple, but I cannot find
> the answer. I would like to be able to move an accent closer to the note
> head, possibly using markup since it would also be nice to know how to get
> markups to print over the staff lines. Here is an example:
>
> %%%
> \version "2.20.0"
> \relative c {
>\time 3/4
>\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
><<{4\arpeggio e' d}\\{ g,8._> dis16 a2}>>|
> }
>
> The accent prints below the beam, and I would like it higher, closer to
> the note head, even if there is some collision with the stem or the staff.
> But \vspace in markup does not allow me to do it. --Jim
I believe you can do what you want by setting the
outside-staff-priority to ##f and then using Y-offset to move the
accent.
%%%
\version "2.20.0"
\relative c {
\time 3/4
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
<<
{ 4\arpeggio e' d }
\\
{ g,8.
-\tweak outside-staff-priority ##f
-\tweak Y-offset -3
_> dis16 a2
}
>> |
}
%%%
--
Knute Snortum
Re: markups and accents inside staff
Jim Cline writes:
> Apologies in advance; this seems like it must be simple, but I cannot
> find the answer. I would like to be able to move an accent closer to
> the note head, possibly using markup since it would also be nice to
> know how to get markups to print over the staff lines. Here is an
> example:
>
> %%%
> \version "2.20.0"
> \relative c {
> \time 3/4
> \mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
> <<{4\arpeggio e' d}\\{ g,8._> dis16 a2}>>|
> }
>
> The accent prints below the beam, and I would like it higher, closer
> to the note head, even if there is some collision with the stem or the
> staff.
> But \vspace in markup does not allow me to do it. --Jim
You can always write something like
%%%
\version "2.20.0"
\relative c {
\time 3/4
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
<<{4\arpeggio e' d}\\{ g,8._\tweak extra-offset #'(0.5 . 3) ->
dis16 a2}>>|
}
but frankly, it quite evades me why you would consider this desirable
over the default output.
--
David Kastrup
markups and accents inside staff
Apologies in advance; this seems like it must be simple, but I cannot find
the answer. I would like to be able to move an accent closer to the note
head, possibly using markup since it would also be nice to know how to get
markups to print over the staff lines. Here is an example:
%%%
\version "2.20.0"
\relative c {
\time 3/4
\mergeDifferentlyDottedOn
<<{4\arpeggio e' d}\\{ g,8._> dis16 a2}>>|
}
The accent prints below the beam, and I would like it higher, closer to
the note head, even if there is some collision with the stem or the staff.
But \vspace in markup does not allow me to do it. --Jim
