pdf to .ly?

2012-01-18 Thread Gerard McConnell
Hello,
Does anybody here know of software that could convert a .pdf into .ly?
Mayber .pdf to .xml first, then to .ly?
Or  .pdf into .svg, or some sort of image file?  I got some music from the
IMSLP site, it needs to be rotated and cleaned up a bit.
Thanks for any help,
Gerard
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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-18 Thread Urs Liska
There are a few programs that try to convert scanned scores to something 
useful (e.g. MusicXML). But generally this requires much manual work 
after the conversion.


IIUC and you just want to improve the printed output you definitely 
should go for some image processing software.

If all pages have the same parameters you may use some command line tool.
Maybe Scan Tailor is worth a look.

HTH
Urs

Am 18.01.2012 13:12, schrieb Gerard McConnell:

Hello,
Does anybody here know of software that could convert a .pdf into 
.ly?  Mayber .pdf to .xml first, then to .ly?
Or  .pdf into .svg, or some sort of image file?  I got some music from 
the IMSLP site, it needs to be rotated and cleaned up a bit.

Thanks for any help,
Gerard


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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-18 Thread Colin Campbell

On 12-01-18 05:12 AM, Gerard McConnell wrote:

Hello,
Does anybody here know of software that could convert a .pdf into 
.ly?  Mayber .pdf to .xml first, then to .ly?
Or  .pdf into .svg, or some sort of image file?  I got some music from 
the IMSLP site, it needs to be rotated and cleaned up a bit.

Thanks for any help,
Gerard



I've been playing around a bit with 
http://audiveris.kenai.com/index.html but as mentioned elsethread, it 
takes a fair bit of manual intervention.


Colin

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You need to be able to throw something back.
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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-18 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - 
From: "Colin Campbell" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: pdf to .ly?



On 12-01-18 05:12 AM, Gerard McConnell wrote:

Hello,
Does anybody here know of software that could convert a .pdf into .ly? 
Mayber .pdf to .xml first, then to .ly?
Or  .pdf into .svg, or some sort of image file?  I got some music from 
the IMSLP site, it needs to be rotated and cleaned up a bit.

Thanks for any help,
Gerard



I've been playing around a bit with http://audiveris.kenai.com/index.html 
but as mentioned elsethread, it takes a fair bit of manual intervention.


Colin



I use SharpEye quite a bit, and on good scans of clean scores, it does a 
pretty good job.  Not cheap, though.  http://visiv.co.uk/


--
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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-19 Thread Rutger Hofman

On 01/18/2012 06:09 PM, Phil Holmes wrote:

- Original Message - From: "Colin Campbell" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: pdf to .ly?



On 12-01-18 05:12 AM, Gerard McConnell wrote:

Hello,
Does anybody here know of software that could convert a .pdf into
.ly? Mayber .pdf to .xml first, then to .ly?
Or .pdf into .svg, or some sort of image file? I got some music from
the IMSLP site, it needs to be rotated and cleaned up a bit.
Thanks for any help,
Gerard



I've been playing around a bit with
http://audiveris.kenai.com/index.html but as mentioned elsethread, it
takes a fair bit of manual intervention.

Colin



I use SharpEye quite a bit, and on good scans of clean scores, it does a
pretty good job. Not cheap, though. http://visiv.co.uk/

--
Phil Holmes


SharpEye also has a freeware version with some restrictions. One of them 
is that it does not generate MusicXML. It can create NIFF though, and I 
wrote a converter from NIFF to Lilypond: niff2ly. niff2ly generates 
quite old Lilypond, so you will want to run convert-ly over its output, 
and it has its restrictions when voicing becomes complicated.


Download niff and niff2ly from http://www.cs.vu.nl/~rutger/music.html

Rutger

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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-19 Thread Frédéric Bron
> Does anybody here know of software that could convert a .pdf into .ly?
> Mayber .pdf to .xml first, then to .ly?
> Or  .pdf into .svg, or some sort of image file?  I got some music from the
> IMSLP site, it needs to be rotated and cleaned up a bit.

free command line software:
- pdftk: http://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/
- convert: http://www.imagemagick.org/

Frédéric

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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-19 Thread Pavel Roskin
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:47:06 +0100
Rutger Hofman  wrote:

> SharpEye also has a freeware version with some restrictions. One of
> them is that it does not generate MusicXML. It can create NIFF
> though, and I wrote a converter from NIFF to Lilypond: niff2ly.

Actually, there are two versions available for download.  The newer is
2.68, the older is 1.27.  Version 2.68 can save MusicXML and NIFF.
Version 1.27 only saves NIFF.

Neither version is freeware though.  Both have a 30 day limit.  The
good thing is that both work in Wine.

> niff2ly generates quite old Lilypond, so you will want to run
> convert-ly over its output, and it has its restrictions when voicing
> becomes complicated.
> 
> Download niff and niff2ly from http://www.cs.vu.nl/~rutger/music.html

It's good to see this effort, as Visiv can discontinue MusicXML support
at will.  But please use decent release engineering.  *.old, *.orig and
*.a don't belong to the source release.

Maybe you could host the source it on Gitorious or Github?  Perhaps
NIFF belongs there too (fully unpacked and converted to UNIX newlines).

-- 
Regards,
Pavel Roskin

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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-20 Thread Rutger Hofman

On 01/19/2012 10:00 PM, Pavel Roskin wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:47:06 +0100
Rutger Hofman  wrote:


SharpEye also has a freeware version with some restrictions. One of
them is that it does not generate MusicXML. It can create NIFF
though, and I wrote a converter from NIFF to Lilypond: niff2ly.


Actually, there are two versions available for download.  The newer is
2.68, the older is 1.27.  Version 2.68 can save MusicXML and NIFF.
Version 1.27 only saves NIFF.

Neither version is freeware though.  Both have a 30 day limit.  The
good thing is that both work in Wine.


Even though this is technically true, the old version doesn't actually 
expire after 30 days. It just nags you, but keeps working. So, SharpEye 
1.27 and niff2ly are a free (as in beer) solution.



niff2ly generates quite old Lilypond, so you will want to run
convert-ly over its output, and it has its restrictions when voicing
becomes complicated.

Download niff and niff2ly from http://www.cs.vu.nl/~rutger/music.html


It's good to see this effort, as Visiv can discontinue MusicXML support
at will.  But please use decent release engineering.  *.old, *.orig and
*.a don't belong to the source release.


Ah thanks & sorry, I had been too hasty in making a newest .tgz. I have 
cleaned it up.



Maybe you could host the source it on Gitorious or Github?  Perhaps
NIFF belongs there too (fully unpacked and converted to UNIX newlines).



I'll consider that.

Rutger

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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-20 Thread Mark Knoop
At 20:42 on 19 Jan 2012, Frédéric Bron wrote:
>> Does anybody here know of software that could convert a .pdf
>> into .ly? Mayber .pdf to .xml first, then to .ly?
>> Or  .pdf into .svg, or some sort of image file?  I got some music
>> from the IMSLP site, it needs to be rotated and cleaned up a bit.
>
>free command line software:
>- pdftk: http://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/
>- convert: http://www.imagemagick.org/

unpaper is ideal for this also
http://unpaper.berlios.de/



-- 
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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-20 Thread Johan Vromans
Rutger Hofman  writes:

>> Maybe you could host the source it on Gitorious or Github?  Perhaps
>> NIFF belongs there too (fully unpacked and converted to UNIX newlines).
>
> I'll consider that.

Probably best is to integrate NIFF into NIFF2LY since no other tools
(seem to) exist that uses it.

-- Johan

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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-21 Thread Gerard McConnell
Hello Mark,
unpaper looks very good, do you know if there's a Windows equivalent?
Gerry


unpaper is ideal for this also
> http://unpaper.berlios.de/
>
>
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Re: pdf to .ly?

2012-01-21 Thread Gerard McConnell
Oh sorry, I just realized it's a build-from-source.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Gerard McConnell wrote:

> Hello Mark,
> unpaper looks very good, do you know if there's a Windows equivalent?
> Gerry
>
>
> unpaper is ideal for this also
>> http://unpaper.berlios.de/
>>
>>
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