Re: print change of clef after barline
On 31 May 2014, at 22:12, Thomas Morley wrote:
2014-05-31 20:05 GMT+02:00 Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com:
thanks Harm
I found a way...though I don't understand how or why the vector works for
break-align-orders
Damian
Did you look into
IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders ?
Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders
Please specify whats not clear there and how to improve the description.
Cheers,
Harm
what is not clear is this bit:
The format is a vector of length 3, where each element is one order for
end-of-line, middle of line, and start-of-line, respectively.
the override in this:
\version 2.18.0
musicRH = {
\override Staff.Clef.full-size-change = ##t
\set Staff.printKeyCancellation = ##f
\override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders =
#(make-vector 3 '(
span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature))
\key fis \major
s1 \bar ||
\set Staff.forceClef = ##t \key es \major s \bar ||
\set Staff.forceClef = ##t \key a \major
}
\layout { ragged-right = ##f }
\score {
\new PianoStaff
\new Staff {\musicRH}
\new Staff {\musicRH}
}
has only one order, suggesting that it acts on end-of-line only, but it also
affects middle of line and also changes the spacing at start of line
I couldn't work out form the docs how to do the override just for middle of
line (which is what I want), or how to do a vector with a different orders for
end/middle/start respectively
thanks
Damian
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Re: print change of clef after barline
Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com writes: On 31 May 2014, at 22:12, Thomas Morley wrote: Did you look into IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders ? Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders what is not clear is this bit: The format is a vector of length 3, where each element is one order for end-of-line, middle of line, and start-of-line, respectively. \override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders = #(make-vector 3 '( span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature)) has only one order, No. -- Scheme Procedure: make-vector len [fill] -- C Function: scm_make_vector (len, fill) Return a newly allocated vector of LEN elements. If a second argument is given, then each position is initialized to FILL. Otherwise the initial contents of each position is unspecified. suggesting that it acts on end-of-line only, but it also affects middle of line and also changes the spacing at start of line I couldn't work out form the docs how to do the override just for middle of line (which is what I want), or how to do a vector with a different orders for end/middle/start respectively By specifying three different vectors instead of creating one vector with three equal elements. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
2014-06-01 10:23 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com writes: On 31 May 2014, at 22:12, Thomas Morley wrote: Did you look into IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders ? Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders what is not clear is this bit: The format is a vector of length 3, where each element is one order for end-of-line, middle of line, and start-of-line, respectively. \override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders = #(make-vector 3 '( span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature)) has only one order, No. -- Scheme Procedure: make-vector len [fill] -- C Function: scm_make_vector (len, fill) Return a newly allocated vector of LEN elements. If a second argument is given, then each position is initialized to FILL. Otherwise the initial contents of each position is unspecified. suggesting that it acts on end-of-line only, but it also affects middle of line and also changes the spacing at start of line I couldn't work out form the docs how to do the override just for middle of line (which is what I want), or how to do a vector with a different orders for end/middle/start respectively By specifying three different vectors instead of creating one vector with three equal elements. -- David Kastrup @Damian David explained it already, though, here a bit more demonstrative: Look at: guile (use-modules (ice-9 pretty-print)) guile (pretty-print (make-vector 3 '( span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature))) It returns: #((span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature) (span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature) (span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature)) Now it should be clear why this affects end-of-line, middle of line and start-of-line in the same manner. To get different settings you can't use (make-vector 3 '( ... )), but you have to specify each entry in the vector differently. @David If an experienced user like Damian stumbles across it, it might be worth clearifying it in NR/IR. What do you think? Cheers, Harm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
On 01/06/14 10:29, Thomas Morley wrote: 2014-06-01 10:23 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com writes: On 31 May 2014, at 22:12, Thomas Morley wrote: Did you look into IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders ? Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders what is not clear is this bit: The format is a vector of length 3, where each element is one order for end-of-line, middle of line, and start-of-line, respectively. \override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders = #(make-vector 3 '( span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature)) has only one order, No. -- Scheme Procedure: make-vector len [fill] -- C Function: scm_make_vector (len, fill) Return a newly allocated vector of LEN elements. If a second argument is given, then each position is initialized to FILL. Otherwise the initial contents of each position is unspecified. suggesting that it acts on end-of-line only, but it also affects middle of line and also changes the spacing at start of line I couldn't work out form the docs how to do the override just for middle of line (which is what I want), or how to do a vector with a different orders for end/middle/start respectively By specifying three different vectors instead of creating one vector with three equal elements. -- David Kastrup @Damian David explained it already, though, here a bit more demonstrative: Look at: guile (use-modules (ice-9 pretty-print)) guile (pretty-print (make-vector 3 '( span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature))) It returns: #((span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature) (span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature) (span-bar breathing-sign staff-bar clef key-cancellation key-signature time-signature)) Now it should be clear why this affects end-of-line, middle of line and start-of-line in the same manner. To get different settings you can't use (make-vector 3 '( ... )), but you have to specify each entry in the vector differently. @David If an experienced user like Damian stumbles across it, it might be worth clearifying it in NR/IR. What do you think? Yes, even I could follow that. We could use this example and one that shows how to write it for specifying different vectors. I assume from reading this it would be ((make-vector 1 '( ... )), (make-vector 2 '( ... )), (make-vector 3 '( ... )),) Or something - but then again, I am not the target audience for the IR :) James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
2014-06-01 11:32 GMT+02:00 James pkx1...@gmail.com:
On 01/06/14 10:29, Thomas Morley wrote:
2014-06-01 10:23 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com writes:
On 31 May 2014, at 22:12, Thomas Morley wrote:
Did you look into
IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders ?
Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders
what is not clear is this bit:
The format is a vector of length 3, where each element is one order
for end-of-line, middle of line, and start-of-line, respectively.
\override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders =
#(make-vector 3 '(
span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature))
has only one order,
No.
-- Scheme Procedure: make-vector len [fill]
-- C Function: scm_make_vector (len, fill)
Return a newly allocated vector of LEN elements. If a second
argument is given, then each position is initialized to FILL.
Otherwise the initial contents of each position is unspecified.
suggesting that it acts on end-of-line only, but it also affects
middle of line and also changes the spacing at start of line
I couldn't work out form the docs how to do the override just for
middle of line (which is what I want), or how to do a vector with a
different orders for end/middle/start respectively
By specifying three different vectors instead of creating one vector
with three equal elements.
--
David Kastrup
@Damian
David explained it already, though, here a bit more demonstrative:
Look at:
guile (use-modules (ice-9 pretty-print))
guile (pretty-print (make-vector 3 '(
span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature)))
It returns:
#((span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature)
(span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature)
(span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature))
Now it should be clear why this affects end-of-line, middle of line
and start-of-line in the same manner.
To get different settings you can't use (make-vector 3 '( ... )), but
you have to specify each entry in the vector differently.
@David
If an experienced user like Damian stumbles across it, it might be
worth clearifying it in NR/IR.
What do you think?
Yes, even I could follow that.
We could use this example and one that shows how to write it for specifying
different vectors. I assume from reading this it would be
((make-vector 1 '( ... )),
(make-vector 2 '( ... )),
(make-vector 3 '( ... )),)
Not exactly.
Here some crazy settings for time-signature:
#(
;; end of line: time-signature right before key-signature
(span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
time-signature
key-signature)
;; middle of line: time-signature right before staff-bar
(span-bar
breathing-sign
time-signature
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature)
;; start of line: time-signature right before clef
(span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
time-signature
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature))
Though, applying this would return warnings:
No spacing entry from TimeSignature to `clef'
No spacing entry from TimeSignature to `key-signature'
which can be resolved with additional overrides for TimeSignature.space-alist
Here a compilable snippet:
\version 2.19.6
{
\override Score.BreakAlignment #'break-align-orders =
##(
;; end of line: time-signature right before key-signature
(span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
time-signature
key-signature)
;; middle of line: time-signature before staff-bar
(span-bar
breathing-sign
time-signature
staff-bar
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature)
;; start of line: time-signature before clef
(span-bar
breathing-sign
staff-bar
time-signature
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature))
\override Score.TimeSignature.space-alist.clef = #'(extra-space . 1)
\override Score.TimeSignature.space-alist.key-signature = #'(extra-space . 1)
\key c \minor
\time 2/2
c''1
\key cis \minor
\time 4/4
d''
\break
\key c \minor
\time 8/8
e''
}
Cheers,
Harm
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Re: print change of clef after barline
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes: make-vector @David If an experienced user like Damian stumbles across it, it might be worth clearifying it in NR/IR. What do you think? I don't think that we can reasonably explain stuff like make-vector in our manuals. The best we can do is to avoid it in elementary examples. That may mean spelling three identical lists out, or using (let ((breaklst ...)) (vector breaklst breaklst breaklst)) It's probably most straightforward to spell the lists out three times. That leaves the user with a tedious but reliable and easy to understand recipe. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
2014-06-01 12:09 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes: make-vector @David If an experienced user like Damian stumbles across it, it might be worth clearifying it in NR/IR. What do you think? I don't think that we can reasonably explain stuff like make-vector in our manuals. The best we can do is to avoid it in elementary examples. That may mean spelling three identical lists out, or using (let ((breaklst ...)) (vector breaklst breaklst breaklst)) It's probably most straightforward to spell the lists out three times. That leaves the user with a tedious but reliable and easy to understand recipe. -- David Kastrup Agreed. I'll go for a patch. Cheers, Harm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
2014-06-01 12:19 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com: 2014-06-01 12:09 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes: make-vector @David If an experienced user like Damian stumbles across it, it might be worth clearifying it in NR/IR. What do you think? I don't think that we can reasonably explain stuff like make-vector in our manuals. The best we can do is to avoid it in elementary examples. That may mean spelling three identical lists out, or using (let ((breaklst ...)) (vector breaklst breaklst breaklst)) It's probably most straightforward to spell the lists out three times. That leaves the user with a tedious but reliable and easy to understand recipe. -- David Kastrup Agreed. I'll go for a patch. Cheers, Harm Well, I have a problem: I assume the entries in IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders are generated from define-grob-properties.scm Correct? We have already: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/snippets/pitches#pitches-separating-key-cancellations-from-key-signature-changes Therefore I think refering to that snippet would be sufficient. Is it feasible to reference it from inside define-grob-properties.scm If yes, how to do it? Cheers, Harm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
On 1 Jun 2014, at 12:26, David Kastrup wrote:
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes:
2014-06-01 12:19 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com:
2014-06-01 12:09 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes:
make-vector
@David
If an experienced user like Damian stumbles across it, it might be
worth clearifying it in NR/IR.
What do you think?
I don't think that we can reasonably explain stuff like make-vector in
our manuals.
The best we can do is to avoid it in elementary examples. That may mean
spelling three identical lists out, or using
(let ((breaklst ...)) (vector breaklst breaklst breaklst))
It's probably most straightforward to spell the lists out three times.
That leaves the user with a tedious but reliable and easy to understand
recipe.
--
David Kastrup
Agreed.
I'll go for a patch.
Cheers,
Harm
Well, I have a problem:
I assume the entries in
IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders
Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders
are generated from define-grob-properties.scm
Correct?
Values from define-grobs.scm.
We have already:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/snippets/pitches#pitches-separating-key-cancellations-from-key-signature-changes
Therefore I think refering to that snippet would be sufficient.
Is it feasible to reference it from inside define-grob-properties.scm
If yes, how to do it?
Judging from other manual entries, by putting the following at the end
of the documentation string:
@snippets
@lilypondfile[verbatim,quote,ragged-right,texidoc,doctitle]
{separating-key-cancellations-from-key-signature-changes.ly}
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hi all
yes, a link to that snippet would have enabled me to hack it out; searching the
LSR it was not apparent that that snippet held all the answers
for 'normal but adventurous' users I wouldn't worry about examples in the
manual being 'tedious but reliable' - I use a lot of the internals tweaks every
day without really understanding how they work - the one's i've got to grips
with quickest are the ones with the fullest examples.
thanks for all the help - I really appreciate it
Damian
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Re: print change of clef after barline
2014-06-01 13:26 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes:
2014-06-01 12:19 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com:
2014-06-01 12:09 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org:
Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com writes:
make-vector
@David
If an experienced user like Damian stumbles across it, it might be
worth clearifying it in NR/IR.
What do you think?
I don't think that we can reasonably explain stuff like make-vector in
our manuals.
The best we can do is to avoid it in elementary examples. That may mean
spelling three identical lists out, or using
(let ((breaklst ...)) (vector breaklst breaklst breaklst))
It's probably most straightforward to spell the lists out three times.
That leaves the user with a tedious but reliable and easy to understand
recipe.
--
David Kastrup
Agreed.
I'll go for a patch.
Cheers,
Harm
Well, I have a problem:
I assume the entries in
IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders
Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders
are generated from define-grob-properties.scm
Correct?
Values from define-grobs.scm.
We have already:
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/snippets/pitches#pitches-separating-key-cancellations-from-key-signature-changes
Therefore I think refering to that snippet would be sufficient.
Is it feasible to reference it from inside define-grob-properties.scm
If yes, how to do it?
Judging from other manual entries, by putting the following at the end
of the documentation string:
@snippets
@lilypondfile[verbatim,quote,ragged-right,texidoc,doctitle]
{separating-key-cancellations-from-key-signature-changes.ly}
--
David Kastrup
https://codereview.appspot.com/96650050/
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Re: (was: print change of clef after barline) scm vectors in frescobaldi
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print change of clef after barline
Hi all I need a change of clef to appear after a double barline, not before it (for a theory worksheet) any clues much appreciated Damian ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com writes:
Hi all
I need a change of clef to appear after a double barline, not before
it (for a theory worksheet)
There are some properties determining the order of elements, but one can
also cheat:
{ c'1 \grace { \bar || s4 } \clef bass c1 }
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Re: print change of clef after barline
2014-05-31 18:51 GMT+02:00 Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com: Hi all I need a change of clef to appear after a double barline, not before it (for a theory worksheet) any clues much appreciated Damian ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user look for 'break-align-orders and maybe additionally 'space-alist -Harm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
On 31 May 2014, at 18:00, David Kastrup wrote:
Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com writes:
Hi all
I need a change of clef to appear after a double barline, not before
it (for a theory worksheet)
There are some properties determining the order of elements, but one can
also cheat:
{ c'1 \grace { \bar || s4 } \clef bass c1 }
--
David Kastrup
Hi David
the cheat fails with this layout
\version 2.18.0
musicRH = { c'1 \grace { \bar || s1 } \clef bass c1 }
\layout { ragged-right = ##f }
\new Staff {\musicRH}
Damian
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Re: print change of clef after barline
thanks Harm I found a way...though I don't understand how or why the vector works for break-align-orders Damian On 31 May 2014, at 18:14, Thomas Morley wrote: 2014-05-31 18:51 GMT+02:00 Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com: Hi all I need a change of clef to appear after a double barline, not before it (for a theory worksheet) any clues much appreciated Damian ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user look for 'break-align-orders and maybe additionally 'space-alist -Harm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: print change of clef after barline
2014-05-31 20:05 GMT+02:00 Damian leGassick damianlegass...@mac.com: thanks Harm I found a way...though I don't understand how or why the vector works for break-align-orders Damian Did you look into IR 3.1.22 BreakAlignment -break-align-orders ? Or NR A.17 Layout properties -break-align-orders Please specify whats not clear there and how to improve the description. Cheers, Harm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
