Re: proportional notation problem

2015-09-22 Thread Simon Albrecht 

On 22.09.2015 01:12, Neil Thornock wrote:

Thanks Simon. Sample code:

\transpose c c' { << {
 16 q q q q q q q q q q q \times 2/3 { q8 q q }
} \\ {
 \times 2/3 { des'4 des'8 } \times 2/3 { b8\rest 8 q } 
\times 2/3 { q q q } q q

} >> }


Simple solution: Use two staves. Though I’m pretty sure you won’t want that.
`\override Staff.Accidental.extra-spacing-width = #'(+inf.0 . -inf.0)` 
gets you some way.


Yours, Simon

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Re: proportional notation problem

2015-09-21 Thread Andrew Bernard 
Hi Neil.

That can’t be the way to do it, even though it works. In pure principle, it’s 
way too much code complexity for the simplicity required. Just plain inelegant. 
Playing with your example, it is clear that lilypond is doing its maximum best 
to avoid a collision between the ledger lines and the accidentals of the note 
group in question. I tried using proportional notation on the example, but for 
me, it never really gets these issues right, no matter what duration you choose 
for the moment. Lilypond is so skilful at avoiding collisions that it always 
seems difficult to get it to behave otherwise. In the New Complexity School 
style music  I engrave, this issue comes up all the time, and the composer I 
work with is a stickler for the proportional notation being right, so I have a 
similar interest in this issue.

List gurus, what is the proper way to achieve the desired spacing in this case?

Andrew


On 22/09/2015, 10:59, "Neil Thornock" 
 wrote:

\new StaffGroup <<
 \new Staff { \overrideProperty 
Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn.line-break-system-details #'((Y-offset . 20) 
(alignment-distances . (0))) \transpose c c' { \voiceOne 16 q q q 
q16*1/2 \hideNotes c16*1/2 \unHideNotes q16 q q q q q q \times 2/3 { q8 q q } } 
}
 \new Staff \transpose c c' { \times 2/3 { des'4 des'8 } \times 2/3 { 
b8\rest 8 q } \times 2/3 { q q q } q q }
>>

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Re: proportional notation problem

2015-09-21 Thread Neil Thornock 
HACK-O-MATIC! I don't like it. But it works.

\new StaffGroup <<
 \new Staff { \overrideProperty
Score.NonMusicalPaperColumn.line-break-system-details #'((Y-offset . 20)
(alignment-distances . (0))) \transpose c c' { \voiceOne 16 q q q
q16*1/2 \hideNotes c16*1/2 \unHideNotes q16 q q q q q q \times 2/3 { q8 q q
} } }
 \new Staff \transpose c c' { \times 2/3 { des'4 des'8 } \times 2/3 {
b8\rest 8 q } \times 2/3 { q q q } q q }
>>


On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Neil Thornock 
wrote:

> Thanks Simon. Sample code:
>
> \transpose c c' { << {
>  16 q q q q q q q q q q q \times 2/3 { q8 q q }
> } \\ {
>  \times 2/3 { des'4 des'8 } \times 2/3 { b8\rest 8 q }
> \times 2/3 { q q q } q q
> } >> }
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Simon Albrecht 
> wrote:
>
>> On 22.09.2015 00:51, Neil Thornock wrote:
>>
>>> See the two attached images for my problem spot.
>>>
>>> I'd like something more like the Finale output, but no matter what
>>> combination of proportional notation options I try, it won't budge. It
>>> seems like the ledger lines are too greedy.
>>>
>>> Also, I have no idea how to get the flats in the lower voice to appear
>>> *before* the *previous* note of the top voice, which seems to me like a
>>> more elegant solution in this case.
>>>
>>> Any advice? I can't figure this out.
>>>
>>
>> It seems you’ve found a super difficult case.
>> Can you please post the LilyPond code you used for the second image (<
>> http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html>)?
>>
>> Yours, Simon
>>
>
>
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Re: proportional notation problem

2015-09-21 Thread Urs Liska 


Am 22.09.2015 um 01:12 schrieb Neil Thornock:
> Thanks Simon. Sample code:
>
> \transpose c c' { << {
>  16 q q q q q q q q q q q \times 2/3 { q8 q q }
> } \\ {
>  \times 2/3 { des'4 des'8 } \times 2/3 { b8\rest 8 q }
> \times 2/3 { q q q } q q
> } >> }
>

\override LedgerLineSpanner.length-fraction = 0.1
or similar values will at least separate the ledger lines.

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Re: proportional notation problem

2015-09-21 Thread Neil Thornock 
Thanks Simon. Sample code:

\transpose c c' { << {
 16 q q q q q q q q q q q \times 2/3 { q8 q q }
} \\ {
 \times 2/3 { des'4 des'8 } \times 2/3 { b8\rest 8 q }
\times 2/3 { q q q } q q
} >> }


On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Simon Albrecht 
wrote:

> On 22.09.2015 00:51, Neil Thornock wrote:
>
>> See the two attached images for my problem spot.
>>
>> I'd like something more like the Finale output, but no matter what
>> combination of proportional notation options I try, it won't budge. It
>> seems like the ledger lines are too greedy.
>>
>> Also, I have no idea how to get the flats in the lower voice to appear
>> *before* the *previous* note of the top voice, which seems to me like a
>> more elegant solution in this case.
>>
>> Any advice? I can't figure this out.
>>
>
> It seems you’ve found a super difficult case.
> Can you please post the LilyPond code you used for the second image (<
> http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html>)?
>
> Yours, Simon
>
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Re: proportional notation problem

2015-09-21 Thread Urs Liska 


Am 22.09.2015 um 00:51 schrieb Neil Thornock:
> See the two attached images for my problem spot.
>
> I'd like something more like the Finale output, but no matter what
> combination of proportional notation options I try, it won't budge. It
> seems like the ledger lines are too greedy.
>
> Also, I have no idea how to get the flats in the lower voice to appear
> *before* the *previous* note of the top voice, which seems to me like
> a more elegant solution in this case.
>
> Any advice? I can't figure this out.

Which LilyPond version are you using. Particularly the last beat reminds
me of a spacing issue that has been greatly improved in a (maybe not so)
recent version.

Urs

>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Re: proportional notation problem

2015-09-21 Thread Simon Albrecht 

On 22.09.2015 00:51, Neil Thornock wrote:

See the two attached images for my problem spot.

I'd like something more like the Finale output, but no matter what 
combination of proportional notation options I try, it won't budge. It 
seems like the ledger lines are too greedy.


Also, I have no idea how to get the flats in the lower voice to appear 
*before* the *previous* note of the top voice, which seems to me like 
a more elegant solution in this case.


Any advice? I can't figure this out.


It seems you’ve found a super difficult case.
Can you please post the LilyPond code you used for the second image 
()?


Yours, Simon

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proportional notation problem

2015-09-21 Thread Neil Thornock 
See the two attached images for my problem spot.

I'd like something more like the Finale output, but no matter what
combination of proportional notation options I try, it won't budge. It
seems like the ledger lines are too greedy.

Also, I have no idea how to get the flats in the lower voice to appear
*before* the *previous* note of the top voice, which seems to me like a
more elegant solution in this case.

Any advice? I can't figure this out.

Thanks.
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