Re: Lilypond to Finale [Notepad]

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Kieren,

One possibility is to scan a PDF produced by LP by PhotoScore Ultimate and then 
export it, either to Sibelius directly or as MusicXML first. Finale can import 
the same XML file too.

If you can send the PDF to me, I can try and we’ll see how good the results are.

JM

> Le 7 oct. 2015 à 22:48, Kieren MacMillan  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Hello all!
> 
> Well, it finally happened… I got a commission for an arrangement with the 
> following restriction:
> 
> "The music should be engraved using either Sibelius or Finale music engraving 
> program. Please submit the engraved arrangements as open files and also as 
> PDF-files.”
> 
> I’ve already asked the commissioner/publisher, and this term is 
> non-negotiable. The commission fee is sufficient to do the arrangement, but 
> not generous enough for me to [in addition] hire someone to engrave it in 
> Finale or Sibelius. And I’m certainly not going to invest a lot of time (or 
> *any* money!!) in Finale or Sibelius.
> 
> So before I give my final answer to this commissioner, I want to know if 
> anyone has had experience with converting a relatively simple Lilypond score 
> (SATB + piano) to the free Notepad version of Finale [p.s. Is there a 
> Sibelius equivalent?] — via MusicXML, I’m assuming — and from there into the 
> full version (which the commissioner/publisher will eventually have to do).
> 
> If it’s 1 hour or less from a finished Lilypond score to having a “converted” 
> file to send, then I’ll consider it; otherwise, it’s not worth my time taking 
> this commission.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kieren.
> 
> 
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Re: Lilypond to Finale [Notepad]

[Urs Liska]

Well, you should at least try how far Frescobaldi's MusicXML export will bring 
you.

Urs

Am 7. Oktober 2015 22:48:15 MESZ, schrieb Kieren MacMillan 
:
>Hello all!
>
>Well, it finally happened… I got a commission for an arrangement with
>the following restriction:
>
>"The music should be engraved using either Sibelius or Finale music
>engraving program. Please submit the engraved arrangements as open
>files and also as PDF-files.”
>
>I’ve already asked the commissioner/publisher, and this term is
>non-negotiable. The commission fee is sufficient to do the arrangement,
>but not generous enough for me to [in addition] hire someone to engrave
>it in Finale or Sibelius. And I’m certainly not going to invest a lot
>of time (or *any* money!!) in Finale or Sibelius.
>
>So before I give my final answer to this commissioner, I want to know
>if anyone has had experience with converting a relatively simple
>Lilypond score (SATB + piano) to the free Notepad version of Finale
>[p.s. Is there a Sibelius equivalent?] — via MusicXML, I’m assuming —
>and from there into the full version (which the commissioner/publisher
>will eventually have to do).
>
>If it’s 1 hour or less from a finished Lilypond score to having a
>“converted” file to send, then I’ll consider it; otherwise, it’s not
>worth my time taking this commission.
>
>Thanks,
>Kieren.
>
>
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Re: Lilypond to Finale [Notepad]

[Jacques Menu]

Just tried :

- Finale 2014 produces something after display error messages. That can 
be rather good for a single basson staff (the beams are lost), but less good 
for two SATB examples I’ve tried: one has empty staves, and the other one needs 
some clean up;
- Sibelius 7.1.3 uniformly produces a blank page, without error 
messages showing up in dialogs.

JM

> Le 7 oct. 2015 à 23:26, Urs Liska  a écrit :
> 
> Well, you should at least try how far Frescobaldi's MusicXML export will 
> bring you.
> 
> Urs
> 
> Am 7. Oktober 2015 22:48:15 MESZ, schrieb Kieren MacMillan 
> :
> Hello all!
> 
> Well, it finally happened… I got a commission for an arrangement with the 
> following restriction:
> 
> "The music should be engraved using either Sibelius or Finale music engraving 
> program. Please submit the engraved arrangements as open files and also as 
> PDF-files.”
> 
> I’ve already asked the commissioner/publisher, and this term is 
> non-negotiable. The commission fee is sufficient to do the arrangement, but 
> not generous enough for me to [in addition] hire someone to engrave it in 
> Finale or Sibelius. And I’m certainly not going to invest a lot of time (or 
> *any* money!!) in Finale or Sibelius.
> 
> So before I give my final answer to this commissioner, I want to know if 
> anyone has had experience with converting a relatively simple Lilypond score 
> (SATB + piano) to the free Notepad version of Finale [p.s. Is there a 
> Sibelius equivalent?] — via MusicXML, I’m assuming — and from there into the 
> full version (which
> the commissioner/publisher will eventually have to do).
> 
> If it’s 1 hour or less from a finished Lilypond score to having a “converted” 
> file to send, then I’ll consider it; otherwise, it’s not worth my time taking 
> this commission.
> 
> Thanks,
> Kieren.
> 
> 
> Kieren MacMillan, composer
> ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info 
> ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info
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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Urs Liska]

Well, there are two issues which might be valid arguments:

   * They want a new edition to comply to the house's standards, i.e.
 it should look like any other edition from this publisher.
   * Additionally, the piece in question will eventually be published
 as part of a Complete Edition, and should therefore be the same as
 the rest of the edition. But OTOH chances are more than high that
 this critical edition won't be done by me, so they would probably
 have to start from scratch anyway.

The other argument is quite silly: They need to have the scores ready to 
be eventually updated/corrected for future releases. This is really 
silly, because as we all know, a well-structured and commented lilypond 
score is way more maintainable than a Finale or Sibelius score. They 
just don't have people at hand who know how to work with Lilypond ...


But the most ugly aspect of the case is that the publishing house owns 
the rights to the piece (which is a very prominent composer's 
arrangement of a very prominent historical piece from the beginning of 
the 20th century). So they can (and actually did) prohibit a publication 
by another publisher (which would be an option for me). Well, I hope 
these aren't the last words - there may be a few more options to try out.
I have another piece from the same project with its rights being owned 
by another major publisher, so I'll see how they respond.
[And to be honest: I did these editions in the first place to have 
performing material for a cd recording I'm going to do next week. So the 
work put in the scores isn't lost at all].


Best
Urs

Am 05.06.2011 04:12, schrieb Shane Brandes:

Oh, that sounds altogether too familiar. Being as fixated on clean
looking scores as I am Lilypond was the winner in my search for
clarity. I recently had a similar thing happen with a publisher, the
response of which it would be too much effort to make the conversion
to Finale. I could have found a relatively easy way to resubmit in
Finale, but thought it was a waste and complete regression of
standards. Basically, I see a score and know often as not if it was
set in Finale or Sibelius and those outputs really bother me. The most
curious thing about the whole situation was the editor I spoke with
who was pretty enthusiastic and a supporter of my endeavors was also
very proud of the fact that he had originally gotten his music
published because of his exceptionally clean hand. That amused me
since there is no way a hand written score could compete with the
output that is now possible, and I once had an exceptionally clear
hand too, but that was before computers were more than fancy
paperweights. Anyway, how idiotically stupid that anyone of use are
even discussing such editorial absurdities.

Shane

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Urs Liskali...@ursliska.de  wrote:

Just look at the last three characters of the message title.
As the thread starter I can say that I didn't get a contract to publish a
piece for a major publishing house because I couldn't provide a Finale file.
They weren't willing to either use a Lilypond file or pay for someone to
newly typeset it. And I wasn't willing either because I think: It is bad
enough that they (can) expect an editor to do the typesetting also, to let
him even pay for the typesetting is just too much :-(

Besides of that, I absolutely agree with your opinion ...

Best
Urs

Am 04.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Nils:

Why would anyone try to convert something from Lilypond to Finale?
It like converting a high-res HDR picture to a 16 color gif.

Nils

Am Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
schrieb Vuottvu...@yahoo.it:


...but how can I  produce (export) a midi file by LilyPond ?




Graham Percival-3 wrote:

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Urs Liskalilyp...@ursliska.de
wrote:

I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-(

You _might_ be able to save some time by producing a midi file from
lilypond, importing the midi into finale, and then correcting
pitches, rhythms, dynamics, and adding slurs, articulations, etc...
but honestly, I'd just start from scratch.

Look at the pdf from lilypond, and start clicking away.


But are there solutions that could transfer more information more
reliably
to a finale file.

No.

... oh wait, I think I've heard of some kind of sheet music scanning
ability in finale or sibelius or the like?  If you have that, you
could try printing the music, then scanning it in.

Cheers,
- Graham

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[David Kastrup]

Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net writes:

 The most curious thing about the whole situation was the editor I
 spoke with who was pretty enthusiastic and a supporter of my endeavors
 was also very proud of the fact that he had originally gotten his
 music published because of his exceptionally clean hand. That amused
 me since there is no way a hand written score could compete with the
 output that is now possible,

I disagree.  You can capture subtleties of phrasing and meaning into a
handwritten and/or a hand-engraved score that a computer engraver can't
mimic because the information/understanding is just not there.  Computer
output tends to score better in a number of categories over manual work,
and score rather awful in categories you did not think of as being even
relevant because nobody would do that.

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[David Kastrup]

Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de writes:

 The other argument is quite silly: They need to have the scores ready
 to be eventually updated/corrected for future releases. This is really
 silly, because as we all know, a well-structured and commented
 lilypond score is way more maintainable than a Finale or Sibelius
 score. They just don't have people at hand who know how to work with
 Lilypond ...

And they don't have people at hand who could see whether a given
Lilypond score is well-structured and commented.

So they get to take you at your face value that this is maintainable,
and then, in case they need to maintain it, they can see where they can
hire a specialist out-house specialist with specialist availability and
specialist rates, who will more likely than not tell them that he'll
have to invest dozens of hours before having this thing in a form
suitable for maintenance, possibly at sub-par quality than if they
started with Finale right away.

You can't blame the publisher for making sane and sustainable choices in
line with their current expertise and existing investments and
commitments.

 [And to be honest: I did these editions in the first place to have
 performing material for a cd recording I'm going to do next week. So
 the work put in the scores isn't lost at all].

You are aware that if you let your music be published, you may,
depending on the contract, have forfeited your performance rights and
need to go through RIAA or whoever else in order to pay the publisher
royalties for each performance (of which you are likely to get back some
part).

So if you did your editions in the first place to have performing
material, you better make sure that your first priorities do not get
subverted by a parallel publishing.

-- 
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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Urs Liska]

Am 05.06.2011 12:28, schrieb David Kastrup:

Shane Brandessh...@grayskies.net  writes:


The most curious thing about the whole situation was the editor I
spoke with who was pretty enthusiastic and a supporter of my endeavors
was also very proud of the fact that he had originally gotten his
music published because of his exceptionally clean hand. That amused
me since there is no way a hand written score could compete with the
output that is now possible,

I disagree.  You can capture subtleties of phrasing and meaning into a
handwritten and/or a hand-engraved score that a computer engraver can't
mimic because the information/understanding is just not there.  Computer
output tends to score better in a number of categories over manual work,
and score rather awful in categories you did not think of as being even
relevant because nobody would do that.

I often had to learn and perform music from the composer's manuscripts. 
Despite most of them being more difficult to read than printed scores I 
generally they gave me some unconscious information I didn't want to 
miss. And almost always I was quite disappointed when getting the 
published (printed) scores ...


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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Urs Liska]

Am 05.06.2011 12:36, schrieb David Kastrup:

Urs Liskali...@ursliska.de  writes:


The other argument is quite silly: They need to have the scores ready
to be eventually updated/corrected for future releases. This is really
silly, because as we all know, a well-structured and commented
lilypond score is way more maintainable than a Finale or Sibelius
score. They just don't have people at hand who know how to work with
Lilypond ...

And they don't have people at hand who could see whether a given
Lilypond score is well-structured and commented.

So they get to take you at your face value that this is maintainable,
and then, in case they need to maintain it, they can see where they can
hire a specialist out-house specialist with specialist availability and
specialist rates, who will more likely than not tell them that he'll
have to invest dozens of hours before having this thing in a form
suitable for maintenance, possibly at sub-par quality than if they
started with Finale right away.

You can't blame the publisher for making sane and sustainable choices in
line with their current expertise and existing investments and
commitments.

Well probably I couldn't and wouldn't argue against this...
Nevertheless it's a pity.

[And to be honest: I did these editions in the first place to have
performing material for a cd recording I'm going to do next week. So
the work put in the scores isn't lost at all].

You are aware that if you let your music be published, you may,
depending on the contract, have forfeited your performance rights and
need to go through RIAA or whoever else in order to pay the publisher
royalties for each performance (of which you are likely to get back some
part).

So if you did your editions in the first place to have performing
material, you better make sure that your first priorities do not get
subverted by a parallel publishing.
To make it clear, these are not my compositions but historical 
compositions that are under copyright anyway but not published in print 
so far.
What I did was prepare performance material from manuscripts stored in 
some archives.
And because the pieces aren't published I obtained the performance 
rights by the respective owners.
When the pieces are performed (or recorded) the royalties have to be 
paid (in Germany through the GEMA).

So I didn't have any rights that could be subverted.

Best
Urs


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RE: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[James Lowe]

Ah...

From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org 
[lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of David 
Kastrup [d...@gnu.org]
Sent: 05 June 2011 11:28
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

Shane Brandes sh...@grayskies.net writes:

 The most curious thing about the whole situation was the editor I
 spoke with who was pretty enthusiastic and a supporter of my endeavors
 was also very proud of the fact that he had originally gotten his
 music published because of his exceptionally clean hand. That amused
 me since there is no way a hand written score could compete with the
 output that is now possible,

I disagree.  You can capture subtleties of phrasing and meaning into a
handwritten and/or a hand-engraved score that a computer engraver can't
mimic because the information/understanding is just not there.  Computer
output tends to score better in a number of categories over manual work,
and score rather awful in categories you did not think of as being even
relevant because nobody would do that.

--

Oh goody..gives me an excuse to link to these:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/aphex-twin-deathwaltz-1.jpg

or

http://www.well.com/user/bryan/quartet.gif

:)

Ready everyone...ah-one ah-two ah-three...


James


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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Christ van Willegen]

 Oh goody..gives me an excuse to link to these:

 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/aphex-twin-deathwaltz-1.jpg

 or

 http://www.well.com/user/bryan/quartet.gif

Nice! When can we expect the .ly file?

Christ van Willegen
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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Urs Liska]

Am 05.06.2011 14:14, schrieb Christ van Willegen:

Oh goody..gives me an excuse to link to these:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/aphex-twin-deathwaltz-1.jpg

or

http://www.well.com/user/bryan/quartet.gif

Nice! When can we expect the .ly file?

Christ van Willegen

How about a jpg2ly app?

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Christ van Willegen]

On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 15:03, Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de wrote:
 How about a jpg2ly app?

Well, there's Audiveris, but I've had mixed (read: No) results using
that on a scanned score...

Maybe I should retry it...

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Colin Campbell]

On 11-06-05 05:13 AM, James Lowe wrote:

Ah...

From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org 
[lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of David 
Kastrup [d...@gnu.org]
Sent: 05 June 2011 11:28
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(
I disagree.  You can capture subtleties of phrasing and meaning into a
handwritten and/or a hand-engraved score that a computer engraver can't
mimic because the information/understanding is just not there.  Computer
output tends to score better in a number of categories over manual work,
and score rather awful in categories you did not think of as being even
relevant because nobody would do that.

--

Oh goody..gives me an excuse to link to these:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v60/Langer/misc/aphex-twin-deathwaltz-1.jpg

or

http://www.well.com/user/bryan/quartet.gif

:)

Ready everyone...ah-one ah-two ah-three...


James




Subtleties of phrasing???  My printer is still whimpering under the 
desk, having refused completely to produce hard copy.  Still, the cello 
line looks rather interesting:  the bowing in the 23/4 bar might be a 
bit tricky, unless one uses a six-string instrument.


Colin


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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Vuott]

...but how can I  produce (export) a midi file by LilyPond ? 




Graham Percival-3 wrote:
 
 On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Urs Liska lilyp...@ursliska.de wrote:
 I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-(
 
 You _might_ be able to save some time by producing a midi file from
 lilypond, importing the midi into finale, and then correcting pitches,
 rhythms, dynamics, and adding slurs, articulations, etc... but
 honestly, I'd just start from scratch.
 
 Look at the pdf from lilypond, and start clicking away.
 
 But are there solutions that could transfer more information more
 reliably
 to a finale file.
 
 No.
 
 ... oh wait, I think I've heard of some kind of sheet music scanning
 ability in finale or sibelius or the like?  If you have that, you
 could try printing the music, then scanning it in.
 
 Cheers,
 - Graham
 
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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Nils]

Why would anyone try to convert something from Lilypond to Finale?
It like converting a high-res HDR picture to a 16 color gif.

Nils

Am Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
schrieb Vuott vu...@yahoo.it:

 
 ...but how can I  produce (export) a midi file by LilyPond ? 
 
 
 
 
 Graham Percival-3 wrote:
  
  On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Urs Liska lilyp...@ursliska.de
  wrote:
  I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-(
  
  You _might_ be able to save some time by producing a midi file from
  lilypond, importing the midi into finale, and then correcting
  pitches, rhythms, dynamics, and adding slurs, articulations, etc...
  but honestly, I'd just start from scratch.
  
  Look at the pdf from lilypond, and start clicking away.
  
  But are there solutions that could transfer more information more
  reliably
  to a finale file.
  
  No.
  
  ... oh wait, I think I've heard of some kind of sheet music scanning
  ability in finale or sibelius or the like?  If you have that, you
  could try printing the music, then scanning it in.
  
  Cheers,
  - Graham
  
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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[David Bobroff]

On 6/3/2011 11:09 AM, Vuott wrote:

...but how can I  produce (export) a midi file by LilyPond ?




Graham Percival-3 wrote:

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Urs Liskalilyp...@ursliska.de  wrote:

I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-(

You _might_ be able to save some time by producing a midi file from
lilypond, importing the midi into finale, and then correcting pitches,
rhythms, dynamics, and adding slurs, articulations, etc... but
honestly, I'd just start from scratch.

Look at the pdf from lilypond, and start clicking away.


But are there solutions that could transfer more information more
reliably
to a finale file.

No.

... oh wait, I think I've heard of some kind of sheet music scanning
ability in finale or sibelius or the like?  If you have that, you
could try printing the music, then scanning it in.

Cheers,
- Graham

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Try here:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Creating-MIDI-files#Creating-MIDI-files

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Urs Liska]

Just look at the last three characters of the message title.
As the thread starter I can say that I didn't get a contract to publish 
a piece for a major publishing house because I couldn't provide a Finale 
file. They weren't willing to either use a Lilypond file or pay for 
someone to newly typeset it. And I wasn't willing either because I 
think: It is bad enough that they (can) expect an editor to do the 
typesetting also, to let him even pay for the typesetting is just too 
much :-(


Besides of that, I absolutely agree with your opinion ...

Best
Urs

Am 04.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Nils:

Why would anyone try to convert something from Lilypond to Finale?
It like converting a high-res HDR picture to a 16 color gif.

Nils

Am Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
schrieb Vuottvu...@yahoo.it:


...but how can I  produce (export) a midi file by LilyPond ?




Graham Percival-3 wrote:

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Urs Liskalilyp...@ursliska.de
wrote:

I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-(

You _might_ be able to save some time by producing a midi file from
lilypond, importing the midi into finale, and then correcting
pitches, rhythms, dynamics, and adding slurs, articulations, etc...
but honestly, I'd just start from scratch.

Look at the pdf from lilypond, and start clicking away.


But are there solutions that could transfer more information more
reliably
to a finale file.

No.

... oh wait, I think I've heard of some kind of sheet music scanning
ability in finale or sibelius or the like?  If you have that, you
could try printing the music, then scanning it in.

Cheers,
- Graham

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Shane Brandes]

Oh, that sounds altogether too familiar. Being as fixated on clean
looking scores as I am Lilypond was the winner in my search for
clarity. I recently had a similar thing happen with a publisher, the
response of which it would be too much effort to make the conversion
to Finale. I could have found a relatively easy way to resubmit in
Finale, but thought it was a waste and complete regression of
standards. Basically, I see a score and know often as not if it was
set in Finale or Sibelius and those outputs really bother me. The most
curious thing about the whole situation was the editor I spoke with
who was pretty enthusiastic and a supporter of my endeavors was also
very proud of the fact that he had originally gotten his music
published because of his exceptionally clean hand. That amused me
since there is no way a hand written score could compete with the
output that is now possible, and I once had an exceptionally clear
hand too, but that was before computers were more than fancy
paperweights. Anyway, how idiotically stupid that anyone of use are
even discussing such editorial absurdities.

Shane

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de wrote:
 Just look at the last three characters of the message title.
 As the thread starter I can say that I didn't get a contract to publish a
 piece for a major publishing house because I couldn't provide a Finale file.
 They weren't willing to either use a Lilypond file or pay for someone to
 newly typeset it. And I wasn't willing either because I think: It is bad
 enough that they (can) expect an editor to do the typesetting also, to let
 him even pay for the typesetting is just too much :-(

 Besides of that, I absolutely agree with your opinion ...

 Best
 Urs

 Am 04.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Nils:

 Why would anyone try to convert something from Lilypond to Finale?
 It like converting a high-res HDR picture to a 16 color gif.

 Nils

 Am Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:09:13 -0700 (PDT)
 schrieb Vuottvu...@yahoo.it:

 ...but how can I  produce (export) a midi file by LilyPond ?




 Graham Percival-3 wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Urs Liskalilyp...@ursliska.de
 wrote:

 I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-(

 You _might_ be able to save some time by producing a midi file from
 lilypond, importing the midi into finale, and then correcting
 pitches, rhythms, dynamics, and adding slurs, articulations, etc...
 but honestly, I'd just start from scratch.

 Look at the pdf from lilypond, and start clicking away.

 But are there solutions that could transfer more information more
 reliably
 to a finale file.

 No.

 ... oh wait, I think I've heard of some kind of sheet music scanning
 ability in finale or sibelius or the like?  If you have that, you
 could try printing the music, then scanning it in.

 Cheers,
 - Graham

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Graham Percival]

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Urs Liska lilyp...@ursliska.de wrote:
 I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-(

You _might_ be able to save some time by producing a midi file from
lilypond, importing the midi into finale, and then correcting pitches,
rhythms, dynamics, and adding slurs, articulations, etc... but
honestly, I'd just start from scratch.

Look at the pdf from lilypond, and start clicking away.

 But are there solutions that could transfer more information more reliably
 to a finale file.

No.

... oh wait, I think I've heard of some kind of sheet music scanning
ability in finale or sibelius or the like?  If you have that, you
could try printing the music, then scanning it in.

Cheers,
- Graham

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[James Lowe]

There are many PDF to 'XYZ' output 'scanning software' available.

For example:

http://www.musitek.com/

While this doesn't necessarily help you, it is possible that the people 
using Finale have something like this that they use for other non-Finale 
Scores but have failed to mention to you.


A very quick google also comes up with this

http://www.finaleforum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10782

So it seems that Finale may have some PDF import functionality already.

James

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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Urs Liska]

Well, that's about what I expected but definitely don't want to read :-(

Are there any tools around to convert LilyPond scores to any other 
format at all?

Through one of the editing tools?

Best
Urs

P.S.
If found http://www.recordare.com/default.asp that offers (commercial) 
file translation service including LilyPond files (if anybody is 
interested).

I'll see what this should cost. Probably I won't go for this solution...

Am 22.06.2010 13:26, schrieb Graham Percival:

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Urs Liskalilyp...@ursliska.de  wrote:
   

I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-(
 

You _might_ be able to save some time by producing a midi file from
lilypond, importing the midi into finale, and then correcting pitches,
rhythms, dynamics, and adding slurs, articulations, etc... but
honestly, I'd just start from scratch.

Look at the pdf from lilypond, and start clicking away.

   

But are there solutions that could transfer more information more reliably
to a finale file.
 

No.

... oh wait, I think I've heard of some kind of sheet music scanning
ability in finale or sibelius or the like?  If you have that, you
could try printing the music, then scanning it in.

Cheers,
- Graham
   



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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Patrick Schmidt]

1) If you manage to open the .ly-file with MuseScore you can export  
to MusicXML and then import the .xml-file with Finale.
2) You could use PDFtoMusic. The software converts PDFs (no scans) to  
MusicXML but it's not perfect and it's commercial. You might have to  
edit/correct the output in Finale.
3) Audiveris is an open source scanning software with musicxml-export  
but it might be tedious to obtain a good/satisfying result.


patrick
Am 22.06.2010 um 12:54 schrieb Urs Liska:


Dear list,

I have a very annoying question.
Please don't blame me for anything but just help me or not.

I will have to somehow convert a LilyPond score to Finale :-( and  
would like to know if there is an acceptable solution for the task  
(well, even the task itself isn't acceptable ...)


The background is that I am offered to release a score for a major  
publishing house but they won't use my LilyPond files (which partly  
makes sense because the piece will eventually be published in a  
Complete Edition, and of course it should be the same as the other  
pieces).
[Of course it is way out of scope trying to talk them into using  
LilyPond for the rest as well. So this is not a usable answer]


I don't have to provide a really printable file, but basically it  
should contain all the music and look somewhat correct.


My idea would be trying to export/import via midi file, so I would  
have at least the notes in Finale. I think the music isn't very  
complex, so this might even work to some extent.


But are there solutions that could transfer more information more  
reliably to a finale file. Probably via some intermediate programs/ 
file formats?
I see several more or less working solutions to convert music to  
LilyPond (which is what makes sense...) but not the other direction.


Any help or hints are highly appreciated. If I won't be able to  
provide a Finale file, the edition won't be published :-(


Best
Urs

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re: Lilypond to Finale :-(

[胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng]

Hello Urs,
  I'd like to tell you that I wanted Lilypond to export Musicxml to fit my 
usage (as a blind), but no one is able to do this. This issue and related talks 
is in the Google Code. By the way, Musescore has removed Lilypond import 
already.
Regards
Haipeng


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Re: LilyPond to Finale :-(

[Laura Conrad]

 Patrick == Patrick Schmidt p.l.schm...@gmx.de writes:

Patrick 1) If you manage to open the .ly-file with MuseScore you can 
export to
Patrick MusicXML and then import the .xml-file with Finale.

MuseScore is a good program, but if that doesn't work, there are several
other GUI programs (rosegarden?, noteedit, denemo) that take lilypond
input and output various formats.  I would count on doing a fair amount
of editing, but it might be more reliable, and take a *little* less time
than just entering the notes again.

-- 
Laura   (mailto:lcon...@laymusic.org)
(617) 661-8097  233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139   
http://www.laymusic.org/ http://www.serpentpublications.org

When I die and there's a memorial service, I want you to go to the
piano and play _The Man I Love_ in my key. If I don't come out on that
stage, then you'll know I'm gone.

Kitty Carlisle Hart, (Quoted at her memorial service, where they did
in fact play _The Man I Love._)

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Re: Lilypond vs Finale [translation into English]

[Joseph Wakeling]

Salut Jean-Gabriel,

Je vais essayer une petite traduction pour les membres de la liste qui
ne parlent pas le français  j'espère que je le peux bien faire.  SVP
de me corriger si j'ai fait les erreurs.

Une question -- dans votre paragraphe Peut-on inserer les tournes ...
 Cela signifie par exemple le cas ou on veut diviser une partie des
violons de 1 portée à 2 ou plus, avec le potentiel pour chaqu'un d'avoir
sa propre temps?

I'm just going to attempt a little translation of Jean-Gabriel's message
for the non-French speakers on the list -- I hope it comes out all
right.  If any other French+English speakers notice any mistakes, please
point them out.


Hello, I use Finale 2007, which I like a lot for its ease of use and its
numerous possibilities.

I came across your site via an email from a friend.  Your project seems
interesting but I don't understand certain things.

For example, the font used -- can this be changed?

With Finale I have been able to attain very interesting results.  For
me, it is not sufficient for the music to be playable -- the results
have to be pleasing to the eye.

Can one mix notes between staves?  Can one alter the size of the staves,
and of the page?

Can one insert into a part a division between 1 and 2 or more staves,
with 1 part on each, with the possibility to divide into 1, 2 or more
different time signatures?

[The last paragraph is a little difficult for me to understand but I
think what is meant is whether it is possible to take a part which
up-until-now has been on one stave, and expand it into several staves,
each carrying its own part and (potentially) with different time
signatures.]

I loaded the software but it does not seem to work under Vista ... can
you perhaps work on compatibility?

Thanks for any responses you can give me.

Best wishes




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Re: Lilypond vs Finale

[Francois Planiol]

Cher Jean-Gabriel,

il n'est pas tres ineressant de comparer les deux programmes, car la 
Philosophie des approches sont tres differentes.

Les features que tu demandes existent toutes sous lily, certaines specialites 
finales comme decrocher les queux des notes ne marchent pas (encore) sous 
lily*. Pour ce qui est de la musique traditionelle lily est plus performante 
que finale. Enormement de choses sont reconfigurable sous lily, mais cela 
demande soit de programmer en scheme, soit de trouver un exemple sur le net 
dont on copie les codes interessants. Le programme s'occupe en grande partie 
du layout, tu n'as besoin que de corriger les fautes eventuelles. What You 
Get is What You Want.

Sans un peu d'anglais, tu auras du mal avec nous...

Sous vista je ne sais pas, je deteste, je hais tous les MS. Peut etre que 
cygwin fonctionne sous vista, ce serait ton salut. Mais cygwin est toujours 
un peu en retard, question de version-programme.

mes amities vers la france!

Francois

* translation: some features of finale like anatomize notes doesnt exist 
under lily. @ Lily-List: maybe it do exist...

Am Mittwoch, 26. März 2008 17:06 schrieb Jean-Gabriel GILLARD:
 Bonjour, j'utilise Finale 2007 que j'apprécie beaucoup pour sa maniabilité
 et ses nombreuses possibilités.
 Néanmoins, j'ai atterri sur votre site, suite au mail d'un ami. Votre
 projet semble intéressant, mais je n'ai pas compris certaines choses.
 Par exemple, la police utilisée est elle changeable ?
 Sur Finale je suis arrivé à quelque chose de très intéressant. Pour moi, la
 musique ne doit pas être seulement jouable, mais le graphisme doit être
 agréable à l'oeil.

 Peut on croiser les notes entre les portées ?, peut on influer sur la
 taille des portées, de la page ?
 Peut on insérer des tournes, sectionner des portées en 2 (1 partie sur un
 système, l'autre sur le système suivant, avec la maitrise de coupure à 1, 2
 etc temps) ?

 J'ai téléchargé le logiciel, mais il ne semble pas fonctionner sous Vista..
 Vous travaillez peut être à une compatibilité...

 Merci des réponses que vous pourrez m'apporter.

 Cordialement



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Re: Lilypond vs Finale [translation into English]

[Valentin Villenave]

[transfering to -user-fr]

Bonjour Jean-Gabriel,
hi Joseph and François,

Je vous propose de poursuivre cette discussion en français sur la
liste de discussion spécialement dédiée aux utilisateurs francophones
de lilypond:
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user-fr

Les questions que vous vous posez sont légitimes, et vous ne trouverez
ici que des gens convaincus de l'incomparable supériorité de LilyPond
sur tous les logiciels tels que Finale.

Nous sommes tous disposés à vous aider et vous fournir toutes les
explications possibles; aussi ne puis-je que vous inviter à vous
inscrire à liste de discussion en français (vous pouvez également
inclure François Planiol et Joseph Wakeling en copies, pour poursuivre
la conversation avec eux).

Joseph: thanks for the translation -- it's nearly perfect! However,
this kind of questions have been discussed quite a lot on -user, so
perhaps it's better to move it to the French list. Feel free to take
part in it though  :-)

Cheers,
Valentin


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