Re: repeat, alternative, partial and full bar
> "Ali" == Ali Cuota writes:
Ali> Hello, I wonder how to codify correctly this minimal example:
Ali> \relative c' {
Ali> \partial 8
Ali> \repeat volta 2 { d8 d4 d8 d }
Ali> \alternative { { d4. s8 } { d2 } }
Ali> d8 d8 d8 d8 d2
Ali> }
I'd do it as
\relative c' {
\partial 8 d8
\repeat volta 2 { d4 d8 d }
\alternative { { d4. d8 } { d2 } }
d8 d8 d8 d8 d2
}
Peter C
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Re: repeat, alternative, partial and full bar
Dear Mats,
thanks, this is perfect. One time more amazed with the doc. I would
not have searched this in the doc.
The point is the common rythm of spanish Señor ten piedad (Kyrie)
Cristo ten piedad etc
Señor needs (better said: is generally solved with) an upbeat and is
repeated, Cristo needs a downbeat and is repeated, then again Señor
etc
Generally the composers write the repeats, but in this case I have to
write it with \repeat volta 2
Anyway this is solved,
Franck
2015-01-26 7:11 GMT-05:00, Mats Bengtsson :
>
> Ali Cuota gmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I want to see exactly what shows this minimal example, except that the
>> "space" is not desired.
>> This is from an hymn melody and I do the SATB setting. So I would like
>> to have the original "optic". And with so short repeats, it doesnt
>> make sense to enlarge the alternative.
>> Now, without the s8, the half-note of alternative 2. begins in the
>> remaining half-beat and so the rest of the song.
>> Thats why.
>
> As has already been pointed out, the notation in your example doesn't
> really
> make sense, rhythmically. In particular, the second alternative would
> provide the second half of the bar starting before the first alternative,
> so
> the bar lines after the second repeat seem half a bar off, to me. Anyway,
> if
> you just want to avoid the space provided by s8, you could read about
> scaling durations at
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/writing-rhythms#scaling-durations.
> The resulting example would then be
> \relative c' {
> \partial 8
> \repeat volta 2 { d8 d4 d8 d }
> \alternative { { d4.*4/3 } { d2 } }
> d8 d8 d8 d8 d2
> }
>
> /Mats
>
>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Franck
>>
>> 2015-01-26 1:58 GMT-05:00, Brian Barker btinternet.com>:
>> > At 19:54 25/01/2015 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>I wonder how to codify correctly this minimal example:
>> >
>> > That depends on what you want to see!
>> >
>> >>the s8 is here to fullfill the bar, but take some space and should not.
>> >
>> > o Why do you think you need this? If you want to go back to the
>> > starting quaver upbeat, it's important that the first-time bar is
>> > *not* complete. But that would mean that the repeat bar-line comes at
>> > a point within a bar, not at the end. The second-time part would have
>> > to start with a partial bar of only a quaver length.
>> >
>> > o Your first-time bar (as marked) is half a bar. Is this ever
>> > permissible? None of Elaine Gould's examples show this.
>> >
>> > o With the first-time bar being only the second half of a bar, the
>> > minim at the start of the second-time version completes the bar and
>> > should be followed by a bar line. Then the four barred quavers and
>> > the final minim should be a contiguous bar - with no intervening
>> > bar-line. Is that what you mean?
>> >
>> >>Is there a better way?
>> >
>> > Yes - but that depends on exactly what you mean. I started to try to
>> > correct this, but that's not possible without knowing how you think
>> > it should actually expand.
>> >
>> > Brian Barker - privately
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: repeat, alternative, partial and full bar
Ali Cuota gmail.com> writes:
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to see exactly what shows this minimal example, except that the
> "space" is not desired.
> This is from an hymn melody and I do the SATB setting. So I would like
> to have the original "optic". And with so short repeats, it doesnt
> make sense to enlarge the alternative.
> Now, without the s8, the half-note of alternative 2. begins in the
> remaining half-beat and so the rest of the song.
> Thats why.
As has already been pointed out, the notation in your example doesn't really
make sense, rhythmically. In particular, the second alternative would
provide the second half of the bar starting before the first alternative, so
the bar lines after the second repeat seem half a bar off, to me. Anyway, if
you just want to avoid the space provided by s8, you could read about
scaling durations at
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/writing-rhythms#scaling-durations.
The resulting example would then be
\relative c' {
\partial 8
\repeat volta 2 { d8 d4 d8 d }
\alternative { { d4.*4/3 } { d2 } }
d8 d8 d8 d8 d2
}
/Mats
> Thanks in advance
>
> Franck
>
> 2015-01-26 1:58 GMT-05:00, Brian Barker btinternet.com>:
> > At 19:54 25/01/2015 -0500, you wrote:
> >>I wonder how to codify correctly this minimal example:
> >
> > That depends on what you want to see!
> >
> >>the s8 is here to fullfill the bar, but take some space and should not.
> >
> > o Why do you think you need this? If you want to go back to the
> > starting quaver upbeat, it's important that the first-time bar is
> > *not* complete. But that would mean that the repeat bar-line comes at
> > a point within a bar, not at the end. The second-time part would have
> > to start with a partial bar of only a quaver length.
> >
> > o Your first-time bar (as marked) is half a bar. Is this ever
> > permissible? None of Elaine Gould's examples show this.
> >
> > o With the first-time bar being only the second half of a bar, the
> > minim at the start of the second-time version completes the bar and
> > should be followed by a bar line. Then the four barred quavers and
> > the final minim should be a contiguous bar - with no intervening
> > bar-line. Is that what you mean?
> >
> >>Is there a better way?
> >
> > Yes - but that depends on exactly what you mean. I started to try to
> > correct this, but that's not possible without knowing how you think
> > it should actually expand.
> >
> > Brian Barker - privately
> >
> >
>
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Re: repeat, alternative, partial and full bar
Hello, I want to see exactly what shows this minimal example, except that the "space" is not desired. This is from an hymn melody and I do the SATB setting. So I would like to have the original "optic". And with so short repeats, it doesnt make sense to enlarge the alternative. Now, without the s8, the half-note of alternative 2. begins in the remaining half-beat and so the rest of the song. Thats why. Thanks in advance Franck 2015-01-26 1:58 GMT-05:00, Brian Barker : > At 19:54 25/01/2015 -0500, you wrote: >>I wonder how to codify correctly this minimal example: > > That depends on what you want to see! > >>the s8 is here to fullfill the bar, but take some space and should not. > > o Why do you think you need this? If you want to go back to the > starting quaver upbeat, it's important that the first-time bar is > *not* complete. But that would mean that the repeat bar-line comes at > a point within a bar, not at the end. The second-time part would have > to start with a partial bar of only a quaver length. > > o Your first-time bar (as marked) is half a bar. Is this ever > permissible? None of Elaine Gould's examples show this. > > o With the first-time bar being only the second half of a bar, the > minim at the start of the second-time version completes the bar and > should be followed by a bar line. Then the four barred quavers and > the final minim should be a contiguous bar - with no intervening > bar-line. Is that what you mean? > >>Is there a better way? > > Yes - but that depends on exactly what you mean. I started to try to > correct this, but that's not possible without knowing how you think > it should actually expand. > > Brian Barker - privately > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: repeat, alternative, partial and full bar
I don't understand. What's the problem with removing the s8? I'm using
2.19.15, 2.18.2, and 2.16.2.
Knute Snortum
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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Ali Cuota wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wonder how to codify correctly this minimal example:
>
> \relative c' {
> \partial 8
> \repeat volta 2 { d8 d4 d8 d }
> \alternative { { d4. s8 } { d2 } }
> d8 d8 d8 d8 d2
> }
>
> the s8 is here to fullfill the bar, but take some space and should
> not. Is there a better way?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Franck
>
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repeat, alternative, partial and full bar
Hello,
I wonder how to codify correctly this minimal example:
\relative c' {
\partial 8
\repeat volta 2 { d8 d4 d8 d }
\alternative { { d4. s8 } { d2 } }
d8 d8 d8 d8 d2
}
the s8 is here to fullfill the bar, but take some space and should
not. Is there a better way?
Thanks in advance!
Franck
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