Re: tempo commands not in learning manual
Submitted as http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1197 -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: James james.l...@datacore.com To: Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.uk Cc: Lily-Devel List lilypond-de...@gnu.org; lilypond-user@gnu.org; dwilck...@lavabit.com Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: tempo commands not in learning manual Hello, On 29/07/2010 23:31, Trevor Daniels wrote: Dan Wilckens wrote Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:47 PM My suggestion is to include the \tempo Allegro 4=160 type command in the Rhythms section of the Learning Manual, since tempo is fundamental to rhythm, and I didn't find it anywhere else in the learning manual; I'd even put it as early as 1.2.1, along with Clef, Time Signature, I agree. A simple example could be included in the same brief style as the others between Time Signature and Clef in 1.2.1. This would be easy to do. I'll make a patch for this today and submit to Trevor. etc., or at least in section 2.1. And, I'd also suggest it be put somewhere more logical in the Notation Reference as well, since its current location Under Staff Notation-Writing Parts is among the last places I'd think to look to find tempo commands; maybe in section 1.2.3, Displaying Rhythms, alongside Time Signature etc. I agree with this too. The Metronome marks section would be better placed in 1.2.3 immediately after Time signature, but the move would require some juggling with a number of snippets. There are higher priority doc items, though. If I get permission (or if someone else would like to) I suggest we make a tracker item for this one until I (someone) gets round to it. James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: tempo commands not in learning manual
Hello, Commits fc1946c290e5f253769a306efff1b0224178aaa5 and 9e1b534c81e101c449acfa176f923be57cbcaea5 have added a patch in to the Learning Manual. The NR still needs to be done. Tracker opened http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1197 (thanks Phil) James -Original Message- From: Trevor Daniels [mailto:t.dani...@treda.co.uk] Sent: Thu 29/07/2010 23:31 To: James Lowe; lilypond-user@gnu.org Cc: Lily-Devel List Subject: Re: tempo commands not in learning manual Dan Wilckens wrote Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:47 PM Hi James, I mainly thought the tempo command was too hard to find in the documentation--too illogically placed for me to track down easily navigating the notation reference headings (just tried it in the 2.13 doc's, had similar problems before with 2.12 doc's) and I actually couldn't find the command at all in the learning manual in a couple minutes of clicking around the section headings. (Admittedly, in the index it is easy to find.) My suggestion is to include the \tempo Allegro 4=160 type command in the Rhythms section of the Learning Manual, since tempo is fundamental to rhythm, and I didn't find it anywhere else in the learning manual; I'd even put it as early as 1.2.1, along with Clef, Time Signature, I agree. A simple example could be included in the same brief style as the others between Time Signature and Clef in 1.2.1. This would be easy to do. etc., or at least in section 2.1. And, I'd also suggest it be put somewhere more logical in the Notation Reference as well, since its current location Under Staff Notation-Writing Parts is among the last places I'd think to look to find tempo commands; maybe in section 1.2.3, Displaying Rhythms, alongside Time Signature etc. I agree with this too. The Metronome marks section would be better placed in 1.2.3 immediately after Time signature, but the move would require some juggling with a number of snippets. There are higher priority doc items, though. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tempo commands not in learning manual
Hello, On 29/07/2010 23:31, Trevor Daniels wrote: Dan Wilckens wrote Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:47 PM My suggestion is to include the \tempo Allegro 4=160 type command in the Rhythms section of the Learning Manual, since tempo is fundamental to rhythm, and I didn't find it anywhere else in the learning manual; I'd even put it as early as 1.2.1, along with Clef, Time Signature, I agree. A simple example could be included in the same brief style as the others between Time Signature and Clef in 1.2.1. This would be easy to do. I'll make a patch for this today and submit to Trevor. etc., or at least in section 2.1. And, I'd also suggest it be put somewhere more logical in the Notation Reference as well, since its current location Under Staff Notation-Writing Parts is among the last places I'd think to look to find tempo commands; maybe in section 1.2.3, Displaying Rhythms, alongside Time Signature etc. I agree with this too. The Metronome marks section would be better placed in 1.2.3 immediately after Time signature, but the move would require some juggling with a number of snippets. There are higher priority doc items, though. If I get permission (or if someone else would like to) I suggest we make a tracker item for this one until I (someone) gets round to it. James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tempo commands not in learning manual
Hi James, I mainly thought the tempo command was too hard to find in the documentation--too illogically placed for me to track down easily navigating the notation reference headings (just tried it in the 2.13 doc's, had similar problems before with 2.12 doc's) and I actually couldn't find the command at all in the learning manual in a couple minutes of clicking around the section headings. (Admittedly, in the index it is easy to find.) My suggestion is to include the \tempo Allegro 4=160 type command in the Rhythms section of the Learning Manual, since tempo is fundamental to rhythm, and I didn't find it anywhere else in the learning manual; I'd even put it as early as 1.2.1, along with Clef, Time Signature, etc., or at least in section 2.1. And, I'd also suggest it be put somewhere more logical in the Notation Reference as well, since its current location Under Staff Notation-Writing Parts is among the last places I'd think to look to find tempo commands; maybe in section 1.2.3, Displaying Rhythms, alongside Time Signature etc. Hope this clarifies my earlier comments. Take care, Dan On 26/07/2010 16:04, James wrote: Dan, On 25/07/2010 02:59, Dan Wilckens wrote: Something so fundamental as tempo should be clearly explained somewhere easy to find in the documentation, and it seems to be difficult to find at all in the learning manual (looking at 2.12 documentation and briefly at 2.13). In my view this is something fundamental enough to be in most pieces and should maybe be included in section 2 of the learning manual, either alongside Adding Text (maybe change this section to Adding Text and Tempo Marks), or perhapsAdvanced Rhythmic Commands (although it's not exactly advanced). I remember having trouble finding this documentation in the past and it looks like the situation hasn't been addressed yet. I think this could help new users if all the fundamentals are all right there, easy to find. Thanks for the great program, Dan W. Are you saying it is hard to find or that you want more explanation - suggestions welcome? James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tempo commands not in learning manual
Dan Wilckens wrote Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:47 PM Hi James, I mainly thought the tempo command was too hard to find in the documentation--too illogically placed for me to track down easily navigating the notation reference headings (just tried it in the 2.13 doc's, had similar problems before with 2.12 doc's) and I actually couldn't find the command at all in the learning manual in a couple minutes of clicking around the section headings. (Admittedly, in the index it is easy to find.) My suggestion is to include the \tempo Allegro 4=160 type command in the Rhythms section of the Learning Manual, since tempo is fundamental to rhythm, and I didn't find it anywhere else in the learning manual; I'd even put it as early as 1.2.1, along with Clef, Time Signature, I agree. A simple example could be included in the same brief style as the others between Time Signature and Clef in 1.2.1. This would be easy to do. etc., or at least in section 2.1. And, I'd also suggest it be put somewhere more logical in the Notation Reference as well, since its current location Under Staff Notation-Writing Parts is among the last places I'd think to look to find tempo commands; maybe in section 1.2.3, Displaying Rhythms, alongside Time Signature etc. I agree with this too. The Metronome marks section would be better placed in 1.2.3 immediately after Time signature, but the move would require some juggling with a number of snippets. There are higher priority doc items, though. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tempo commands not in learning manual
Dan, On 25/07/2010 02:59, Dan Wilckens wrote: Something so fundamental as tempo should be clearly explained somewhere easy to find in the documentation, and it seems to be difficult to find at all in the learning manual (looking at 2.12 documentation and briefly at 2.13). In my view this is something fundamental enough to be in most pieces and should maybe be included in section 2 of the learning manual, either alongside Adding Text (maybe change this section to Adding Text and Tempo Marks), or perhapsAdvanced Rhythmic Commands (although it's not exactly advanced). I remember having trouble finding this documentation in the past and it looks like the situation hasn't been addressed yet. I think this could help new users if all the fundamentals are all right there, easy to find. Thanks for the great program, Dan W. Are you saying it is hard to find or that you want more explanation - suggestions welcome? James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
tempo commands not in learning manual
Something so fundamental as tempo should be clearly explained somewhere easy to find in the documentation, and it seems to be difficult to find at all in the learning manual (looking at 2.12 documentation and briefly at 2.13). In my view this is something fundamental enough to be in most pieces and should maybe be included in section 2 of the learning manual, either alongside Adding Text (maybe change this section to Adding Text and Tempo Marks), or perhapsAdvanced Rhythmic Commands (although it's not exactly advanced). I remember having trouble finding this documentation in the past and it looks like the situation hasn't been addressed yet. I think this could help new users if all the fundamentals are all right there, easy to find. Thanks for the great program, Dan W. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
