Re: typeset lyrics
Op vrijdag 2 november 2007, schreef Ole Schmidt:
I'am a bit shy to out my ignorance...
what I'am missing (maybe I overlooked it) is an overview (maybe a
sort of tree?) of how the
all the terms:
\score
\new Staff
\new Voice
\VoiceOne
\VoiceTwo
\oneVoice
are (hieracial) related
AFAIK Score, Staff and Voice are nested indeed, but \voiceOne,Two,Three, etc.
and \oneVoice are simply commands that set some paramaters regarding stem
direction, horizontal placement etc.
and how their encapsulation ( and { }) works
expr1 expr2 expr3 stacks the expressions vertical and { expr expr }
horizontal.
There is also the { } \\ { } model for polyphony, when to use
which construction?
See:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Explicitly-instantiating-voices
Another point are the rules of the \relative mode when you have
polyphony/chord constructions (how to use , and ' properly)
See:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Relative-octaves
Met vriendelijke groet,
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Re: typeset lyrics
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Op vrijdag 2 november 2007, schreef Ole Schmidt:
I'am a bit shy to out my ignorance...
what I'am missing (maybe I overlooked it) is an overview (maybe a
sort of tree?) of how the
all the terms:
\score
\new Staff
\new Voice
\VoiceOne
\VoiceTwo
\oneVoice
are (hieracial) related
AFAIK Score, Staff and Voice are nested indeed, but \voiceOne,Two,Three, etc.
and \oneVoice are simply commands that set some paramaters regarding stem
direction, horizontal placement etc.
and how their encapsulation ( and { }) works
expr1 expr2 expr3 stacks the expressions vertical and { expr expr }
horizontal.
There is also the { } \\ { } model for polyphony, when to use
which construction?
See:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Explicitly-instantiating-voices
Another point are the rules of the \relative mode when you have
polyphony/chord constructions (how to use , and ' properly)
See:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Relative-octaves
Met vriendelijke groet,
Wilbert Berendsen
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Re: typeset lyrics
Mats Bengtsson wrote: Ole Schmidt wrote: I'am a bit shy to out my ignorance... what I'am missing (maybe I overlooked it) is an overview (maybe a sort of tree?) of how the all the terms: These issues are described to some extent in the section on Explicitly instantiating voices. I highly recommend the Learning Manual, chapter 3 Fundamental concepts. Could you please check the following draft of the new revised manual and see if it provides the relevant information: http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/ Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: typeset lyrics
Ole Schmidt wrote:
I'am a bit shy to out my ignorance...
what I'am missing (maybe I overlooked it) is an overview (maybe a sort
of tree?) of how the
all the terms:
\score
\new Staff
\new Voice
\VoiceOne
\VoiceTwo
\oneVoice
are (hieracial) related and how their encapsulation ( and { })
works
There is also the { } \\ { } model for polyphony, when to use
which construction?
These issues are described to some extent in the section on Explicitly
instantiating
voices.
Another point are the rules of the \relative mode when you have
polyphony/chord constructions (how to use , and ' properly)
Could you please check the following draft of the new revised manual
and see if it provides the relevant information:
http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/Relative-octave-entry.html#Relative-octave-entry
/Mats
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Re: typeset lyrics
On 02.11.2007 (16:26), Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
Op vrijdag 2 november 2007, schreef Ole Schmidt:
There is also the { } \\ { } model for polyphony, when to use
which construction?
The short answer is that this is used for single-staff polyphony, but since
giving a short answer is cheating, I won't reveal it until you have read
the manual :-)
Another point are the rules of the \relative mode when you have
polyphony/chord constructions (how to use , and ' properly)
See:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Relative-octaves
Or rather the address that Mats gave, which is in the development manual,
but which concerning this particular section applies to any version of
Lilypond.
Eyolf
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Re: typeset lyrics
Am 02.11.2007 um 15:13 schrieb Mats Bengtsson:
Another point are the rules of the \relative mode when you have
polyphony/chord constructions (how to use , and ' properly)
Could you please check the following draft of the new revised manual
and see if it provides the relevant information:
http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/Documentation/user/lilypond/Relative-
octave-entry.html#Relative-octave-entry
here I find immediatly:
If the preceding item is a chord, the first note of the chord is used
as the reference point for the octave placement of a following note
or chord:
but because I mixed up chords and polyphony I also need:
Polyphony does not change the relationship of notes within a
\relative { } block. Each note is calculated relative to the note
immediately preceding it.
\relative { noteA noteB \\ noteC noteD }
noteC is relative to noteB, not noteA; noteD is relative to noteC,
not noteB or noteA.
(from the new manual 3.2.1 I'm seeing Voices)
These issues are described to some extent in the section on
Explicitly instantiating
voices.
this chapter indeed answers my questions
thank you for the help
ole
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Re: typeset lyrics
I'am a bit shy to out my ignorance...
what I'am missing (maybe I overlooked it) is an overview (maybe a
sort of tree?) of how the
all the terms:
\score
\new Staff
\new Voice
\VoiceOne
\VoiceTwo
\oneVoice
are (hieracial) related and how their encapsulation ( and { })
works
There is also the { } \\ { } model for polyphony, when to use
which construction?
Another point are the rules of the \relative mode when you have
polyphony/chord constructions (how to use , and ' properly)
I work partly by trialerror which can be very time-consuming.
I always use the search function of the lilypond.pdf and most of the
times I found an example that covers what I'am after. I find this
most convenient (to work with examples) e.g. I immediatly understood
the example Mats mailed me so maybe it would be a good idea to
include it to the manual...
I hope this answers your question somehow...
best
ole
Am 02.11.2007 um 00:23 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:
Now that you know how it works it would be a great help for us if you
tell us what exactly have missed in the docs which prevented you from
understanding it.
Werner
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Great documentation was: Re: typeset lyrics
Graham Percival wrote: Mats Bengtsson wrote: Ole Schmidt wrote: I'am a bit shy to out my ignorance... what I'am missing (maybe I overlooked it) is an overview (maybe a sort of tree?) of how the all the terms: These issues are described to some extent in the section on Explicitly instantiating voices. I highly recommend the Learning Manual, chapter 3 Fundamental concepts. Could you please check the following draft of the new revised manual and see if it provides the relevant information: http://kainhofer.com/~lilypond/ I haven't needed to look at the tutorial in a while. This is great!! Thanks to everyone improving the documentation!!! Paul Scott ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Great documentation was: Re: typeset lyrics
On 02.11.2007 (11:05), Paul Scott wrote: I haven't needed to look at the tutorial in a while. This is great!! Thanks to everyone improving the documentation!!! there's always room for one more to look at it, if you discover that your new enthusiasm becomes too overwhelming :) Eyolf -- Robustness, adj.: Never having to say you're sorry. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: typeset lyrics
One solution is described in section Divisi Lyrics, namely to use different Voice contexts for the different parts of music. Notice that you have to keep the original Voice context alive over the 6 measures using s1*6. /Mats Ole Schmidt wrote: I have to typeset lyrics for the first time. I've studied the manual and everything work until now. Now I have six bars without lyrics and than lyrics again. So how can I achive lyric-free notes (bars) in between? Thank you for a hint best, ole ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: typeset lyrics
I read Divisi Lyrics over and over but I'am afraid I don't understand it. There are two different voices at one point and on this point there are two different lyrics assigned. How can I use it for my problem? ole Am 01.11.2007 um 22:18 schrieb Mats Bengtsson: One solution is described in section Divisi Lyrics, namely to use different Voice contexts for the different parts of music. Notice that you have to keep the original Voice context alive over the 6 measures using s1*6. /Mats Ole Schmidt wrote: I have to typeset lyrics for the first time. I've studied the manual and everything work until now. Now I have six bars without lyrics and than lyrics again. So how can I achive lyric-free notes (bars) in between? Thank you for a hint best, ole ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: typeset lyrics
Ole Schmidt wrote:
I read Divisi Lyrics over and over but I'am afraid I don't
understand it. There are two different voices at one point and on
this point there are two different lyrics assigned. How can I use it
for my problem?
What I primarily had in mind was the second example in the section.
For example you could do something along the lines of.
\version 2.10.0
song = \relative c'{c d e f | g f e ( d ) | c1 | s1*4 | g4 ( a ) b g | c1 }
interlude = \relative c'{ s1*3 | d1 | b | g | b | }
text = \lyricmode { Here's some ly -- rics for the first part.
Here comes the rest }
\score{
\new Staff
\new Voice = songvoice \song
\new Voice = interludevoice \interlude
\new Lyrics \lyricsto songvoice \text
}
/Mats
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Re: typeset lyrics
thank you very much for the example, now I see how to use it and it
works fine
best
ole
Am 01.11.2007 um 22:56 schrieb Mats Bengtsson:
Ole Schmidt wrote:
I read Divisi Lyrics over and over but I'am afraid I don't
understand it. There are two different voices at one point and on
this point there are two different lyrics assigned. How can I use
it for my problem?
What I primarily had in mind was the second example in the section.
For example you could do something along the lines of.
\version 2.10.0
song = \relative c'{c d e f | g f e ( d ) | c1 | s1*4 | g4 ( a ) b
g | c1 }
interlude = \relative c'{ s1*3 | d1 | b | g | b | }
text = \lyricmode { Here's some ly -- rics for the first part.
Here comes the rest }
\score{
\new Staff
\new Voice = songvoice \song
\new Voice = interludevoice \interlude
\new Lyrics \lyricsto songvoice \text
}
/Mats
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Re: typeset lyrics
I read Divisi Lyrics over and over but I'am afraid I don't understand it. Now that you know how it works it would be a great help for us if you tell us what exactly have missed in the docs which prevented you from understanding it. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
