Re: RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-05 Thread Joey STANFORD 
Hi,

> I'm not sure adding one more service like brainstorm will help us enough
> to offset the added pain of further context-switching an already small
> team. Is there really that much demand that isn't finding its way to us?

We overlapped on emails.  That's were I was going with my trailer to
Loic's email.  I'm not sure the cost vs benefit is there but thought
it worthy enough to ask everyone to see if there are benefits/use
cases that I don't.

J

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Re: RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-05 Thread Joey STANFORD 
Howdy,

>  will
>  we commit to implementing x things per cycle from brainstorm.linaro.org
>  if we start advertizing it?  The worst thing would be to give people a
>  place to suggest work and then ... ignore it.

Right on. We'll need to implement some sort of social contract for
this. I'd want to get the tech leads to weigh in on it as well if we
decide to do it.   Looking at Ubuntu there seem to be Chores, Tech
debt, new features, bugs, and some edge case stuff there. Each of
those would likely have a different priority within the Linaro working
groups (but not necessarily within the community developer area).

Your comments are really to my original point: if we roll something
like this out I'd want it to be useful to both the full time Linaro
Working Groups (and other areas inside Linaro) as well as to the
Linaro Community, including community developers. (Hence this
discussion on -dev).

J

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For the non-Linaro folks on the list, our Working Groups commit to the
Linaro TSC to accomplish a number of items of our roadmap.
Consequently like any development shop they don't have a lot of free
time.  I'm hoping that an ideas system would provide a "wisdom of the
masses" affect and do a better job. It would also give us another pool
of opportunity items to look at ("Hey, we're in here working on X and
if I took another 2 hours I could accomplish this other great thing
that many people need and we'd be heroes.") .  You could do that with
bug reports though and good gardening techniques.  What I'm not sold
on yet is the cost vs benefit of doing this.  I would have to put
staff on this to manage it and get the ideas circulated within Linaro.

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Re: RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-05 Thread Christian Robottom Reis 
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 09:51:01AM -0700, Joey Stanford wrote:
> > I like brainstorm, though on the Ubuntu side I know it's been a struggle
> > lately to maintain, keep moderators and idea reviewers.
> 
> I'm hoping that since we're a smaller group  that you and Michael can
> keep up with it (like ask.linaro.org).

I'm not sure adding one more service like brainstorm will help us enough
to offset the added pain of further context-switching an already small
team. Is there really that much demand that isn't finding its way to us?
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Re: RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-05 Thread Joey STANFORD 
> I like brainstorm, though on the Ubuntu side I know it's been a struggle
> lately to maintain, keep moderators and idea reviewers.

I'm hoping that since we're a smaller group  that you and Michael can
keep up with it (like ask.linaro.org).


>  It's also my
> understanding that the code base is not being actively maintained though
> last month stgraber tracked down who maintains it (code base). Also we would
> need to insure that ideas are being reviewed by decision makers say at
> Linaro Connect and we either implement or close the ideas and let the
> submitter know we have acted on their idea and not let people think the
> ideas aren't being looked at.  This was one of the main complaints on the
> Ubuntu side that no-one in a decision making role was looking at the ideas.

Good comments. If we go this route (i.e. adding an ideas manager) I'll
have you and Michael (and maybe Andy?) evaluate the different tools
and see if we can get the technology and process to map up to make a
good implementation.

J


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Re: RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-05 Thread Joey STANFORD 
Hi Patrik,

Yep, since Linaro has a Google Apps account we could indeed use Google
Moderator.   e.g.

https://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=1c111&t=1c111.40&f=1c111.5df32a

I have large preference to the ideastorm code that brainstorm uses
(able to put a branding/theming on it, openid enabled so uses LP,
etc).

J

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Patrik Ryd  wrote:
> We could just use https://www.google.com/moderator/#0.
>
>  /Patrik
>
> On 5 January 2012 00:18, Joey STANFORD  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> During some roadmapping work today the discussion of capturing and
>> voting on ideas for Linaro came up.  The idea was to possibly recreate
>> a Linaro version of this
>>
>> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> for everyone to contribute to.  I'm looking for  +1 and -1  feedback
>> from folks about whether this would be useful (vs interesting).
>>
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Re: RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-05 Thread Loïc Minier 
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012, Joey STANFORD wrote:
> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/

 I love the concept and implementation of brainstorm -- +1 -- but will
 we commit to implementing x things per cycle from brainstorm.linaro.org
 if we start advertizing it?  The worst thing would be to give people a
 place to suggest work and then ... ignore it.

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Re: RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-05 Thread Amber Graner 
On 4 January 2012 18:18, Joey STANFORD  wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> During some roadmapping work today the discussion of capturing and
> voting on ideas for Linaro came up.  The idea was to possibly recreate
> a Linaro version of this
>
> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
>
> for everyone to contribute to.  I'm looking for  +1 and -1  feedback
> from folks about whether this would be useful (vs interesting).
>

+1

I like brainstorm, though on the Ubuntu side I know it's been a struggle
lately to maintain, keep moderators and idea reviewers.  It's also my
understanding that the code base is not being actively maintained though
last month stgraber tracked down who maintains it (code base). Also we
would need to insure that ideas are being reviewed by decision makers say
at Linaro Connect and we either implement or close the ideas and let the
submitter know we have acted on their idea and not let people think the
ideas aren't being looked at.  This was one of the main complaints on the
Ubuntu side that no-one in a decision making role was looking at the ideas.

Cheers,
Amber

>
> Joey
>



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Re: RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-05 Thread Patrik Ryd 
We could just use https://www.google.com/moderator/#0.

 /Patrik

On 5 January 2012 00:18, Joey STANFORD  wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> During some roadmapping work today the discussion of capturing and
> voting on ideas for Linaro came up.  The idea was to possibly recreate
> a Linaro version of this
>
> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
>
> for everyone to contribute to.  I'm looking for  +1 and -1  feedback
> from folks about whether this would be useful (vs interesting).
>
> Joey
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RFC: Ideas for Linaro

2012-01-04 Thread Joey STANFORD 
Hi Gang,

During some roadmapping work today the discussion of capturing and
voting on ideas for Linaro came up.  The idea was to possibly recreate
a Linaro version of this

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/

for everyone to contribute to.  I'm looking for  +1 and -1  feedback
from folks about whether this would be useful (vs interesting).

Joey

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