[LincolnTalk] LPS 8th Grade Graduation Fundraisers!

[brianna doo]

Good Evening!
Can you believe, our 8th graders are getting ready to graduate? They didn’t
get to go to the Museum of Science in 6th Grade, or Sargent Camp in 7th, or
Washington D.C. in 8th, but we can give them a rocking’ graduation send
off! They are raising funds for the graduation ceremony and party, and for
a class gift to the school. Please help them reach their goal by
participating in their bake sale at the* transfer station THIS SATURDAY
5/13 from 9am-1pm*, and a car wash on *Saturday, May 20 at Town Hall from 8
am to 2 pm* (rain date: May 21). You can purchase a ticket for a car wash
($20) and/or make a donation at the following link. Thank you for your
generosity!

https://www.paypal.com/pools/c/8TLC9lMGj9

This is their last opportunity to raise the needed funds, so please
consider making a donation. Our 8th graders have risen to the challenge the
last few years have given, and we hope the community will do the same and
support them now.

Thank you!
Lincoln Middle School 8th grade families
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Fred Hopengarten]

Did I miss it, or has no one yet quantified useful spaces at St. Anne’s, the 
Stone Church, St. Joseph’s and Codman House, nor mentioned whether or not they 
have kitchens that could be used to feed groups.

Plus, there are comparable churches in Wayland and Concord, or the 
congregations of Temple Shir Tikva, Congregation Or Atid and the Islamic Center 
of Boston in Wayland, as well as Kerem Shalom in Concord – all of which have 
gathering spaces, chairs, public address systems, and commercial kitchens, and 
all of which have unused time in their gathering spaces.

I’d bet ALL of those religious communities would welcome a bit of rent that 
would be less expensive than the interest costs of bonding a major new facility 
in Lincoln.

Must a COA staffer be present for all COA and community activities? Is the 
over-65 crowd not capable of governing its own meeting? Is a baby-sitter 
necessary? Are these places not good enough for Lincolnites?

It seems to me there is no lack of community spaces within five miles or 10 
minutes of Donelans.

Fred Hopengarten, Esq. 
 hopengar...@post.harvard.edu
Six Willarch Road   
 www.antennazoning.com
Lincoln, MA 01773   781.259.0088

From: Lincoln [mailto:lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org] On Behalf Of Sara Mattes
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 6:43 PM
To: Barbara Low
Cc: Lincoln Talk
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and 
observations. Is it time for a course correction?

I have been using COA programming for years…15 or so.
I have enjoyed multiple programs in multiple settings.
How was it possible then, but not now?

Perhaps there needs to be better space for social and health services, and even 
administration, but we need to continue with the use of programming in multiple 
locations-spaces and locations used in the past, locations that would be of 
good use for the future.

We need to be flexible and creative.

Sara




--
Sara Mattes






On May 10, 2023, at 5:35 PM, Barbara Low  wrote:

With regard to the COA using various locations for their programming, the 
staff of the COA cannot easily run programming in multiple locations and 
still do the other work they need to do. Programming is a large part of what 
the COA does but there is also the social work/counseling/problem solving 
aspects of their jobs. Their jobs cannot be well done if they are running from 
site to site to manage programming. And Bemis is inadequate for the needs of 
the senior citizens -- access to the building, bathroom facilities (the 
handicapped bathrooms are in the basement and the large group programming is on 
the second floor), and private office space is lacking to have the necessary 
confidential meetings.

I think many of the people complaining about the community center are not folks 
who are currently using the COA services. Your day will come.

Barbara
  _

From: Lincoln  on behalf of Seth Rosen 

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 4:54 PM
To: Ruth Ann Hendrickson 
Cc: Lincoln@lincolntalk.org 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and 
observations. Is it time for a course correction?


Ruth Ann - I can’t speak for others, but I am not disagreeing with the location 
of the proposed community center.  I agree if one was to be built, the Hartwell 
location is the optimal one.

I am disagreeing that we need a community center at all.  I don’t think we 
should build one.  Instead I think we should replace the current “pods” with 
new ones to accommodate LEAP and PRD. Keep the existing locations and modestly 
expand the footprints. Upgrade the other existing facilities to the extent 
needed to accommodate our current programming.

That solution is perhaps $5-8m and accomplished all of the mission critical 
objectives.

Candidly, looking at the actual list of programs there are only nine (9) things 
on there that can’t continue to stay where they are.  And those nine things 
don’t even close to justify the construction of a new building, in my opinion. 
I’d encourage other taxpayers to look at the list and see if they think it 
justifies a solution of the scope and scale proposed.

I think the reality is, because of our small size, our town requires the 
“decentralized” approach we’ve used to date.

Seth



On May 10, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Ruth Ann Hendrickson  
wrote:

Five years or so ago, the assigned committees did an EXHAUSTIVE search for 
potential sites for a new Community Center including multiple open charettes to 
discuss locations. The overwhelming choice of the large group of participants 
was to have the Center at Hartwell. The motion at town meeting was worded to 
develop options for a Center near Hartwell. That is the CCBC's charge. They are 
not charged with considering new locations.
If a large group of people want 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[melinda bruno-smith]

I too support taking a second look at renovating the beautiful architectural 
buildings in our town which are in dire need of upgrade and maintenance  —the 
Mall, Stone Church, Pierce House, Bemis, Old Town Hall, our Library.  Lincoln 
Roads are due for some repaving too.

Best,
Melinda

Sent from my iPhone
Melinda Bruno-Smith




On May 10, 2023, at 4:38 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:

 The charge to the CCBC, at the Spc.Town Meeting, was to consider alternative 
locations for a variety of programs, uses and functions.
Hartwell was to remain the principle site for NEW construction, but that other 
sites were to be included for some uses, in order to reduce the amount of new 
construction needed.
So, it is the current CCBC that is charged with seeking alternative spaces, be 
it at the Mall or St. Annes or the Stone Church, or Bemis, or Pierce House.
It is not for an Ad Hoc committee to duplicate these endeavors.

As previously mentioned, our existing town-owned buildings will require ongoing 
maintenance, and, in fact, some improvements.
Perhaps this is an opportunity to jump start some of those projects - certainly 
cheaper, in the long run than  creating more building sq. footage to maintain, 
and creating more/expanded parking lots and paved surfaces.
Perhaps we should investigate how the remodeled Town Offices were able to 
create an HVAC system that provides habitable spaces in the lower level and 
apply those lessons to Bemis Hall.
And what would it take to advance the creation of the handicapped accessible 
bathroom on the first floor of the Pierce House, which already has a kitchen 
upgrade in the works?

Perhaps we could look at the programs currently offered at other institutions 
around town and see how we might coordinate-Codman Farm has a new commercial 
kitchen and offers cooking classes, DeCordova offers some art programs.
What else might be out there?
Do we need to reinvent the wheel and compete with these organizations that 
might appreciate our support?

And why the call for a large new space, with a stage and a grand piano when 
that already exists...at Bemis Hall?

And what programs are available to us in other neighboring towns?
We were told we needed to open our COA programs to other towns-“reciprocity” 
was it?
Doesn’t that work both ways?
What programs are open to us, through reciprocity, in other neighboring 
communities-communities with large facilities and even larger budgets?

Yes, we need to build better spaces for after-school programs, LEAP, summer 
camp, Park & Rec. and even some new spaces for COA.
But, let us be more creative and maximize the use of spaces that already exist.
Let us make sure that our eyes are not bigger than our (fiscal) stomachs.

Regards,
Sara






--
Sara Mattes




On May 10, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Ruth Ann Hendrickson  
wrote:


Five years or so ago, the assigned committees did an EXHAUSTIVE search for 
potential sites for a new Community Center including multiple open charettes to 
discuss locations. The overwhelming choice of the large group of participants 
was to have the Center at Hartwell. The motion at town meeting was worded to 
develop options for a Center near Hartwell. That is the CCBC's charge. They are 
not charged with considering new locations.

If a large group of people want to propose a different location, please form 
yourselves into an ad hoc committee and do the work to flesh out your ideas. 
You can get a head start by looking at the previous studies that considered 
other locations. Then ask the Selects if you can present your findings at the 
fall State of the Town Meeting. It is easy to say there are spaces at the Mall. 
It is much harder to be specific  - which spaces and what needs could be 
accommodated there.

I look forward the hearing  your proposals. New ideas are always worth 
consideration.

Ruth Ann Hendrickson
(She, her)

On 5/10/2023 3:43 PM, Peter Buchthal wrote:
We have started a robust discussion on LincolnTalk about the new community 
center.  It appears that after spending a short amount of time looking at the 
other available properties in the town, the committee has decided to only focus 
resources going forward on building a new facility on the Hartwell campus.

Underused town resources require maintenance
We are a small town with many underused town resources.  Some of our town 
buildings are in need of overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town buildings be 
ADA and handicap accessible?
Bemis needs a refresh and it will require ongoing maintenance even if we build 
a community center.  Shouldn’t we figure out how much this future underused 
building will cost the town to keep it in good shape?  Or are people suggesting 
the plan is to take it down at some point?
The Pierce House has so much deferred maintenance that it may become unsafe in 
the near future.  The interior  reminds me of Miss Havisham’s home from Great 
Expectations.  Without a Pip or Estella to maintain it, we have allowed this 
generous gift 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Michael Dembowski]

All the emails filling my inbox are very much appreciated. Perhaps Town Meeting can be short. Michael DembowskiConant Road On May 10, 2023, at 6:43 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:I have been using COA programming for years…15 or so.I have enjoyed multiple programs in multiple settings.How was it possible then, but not now?Perhaps there needs to be better space for social and health services, and even administration, but we need to continue with the use of programming in multiple locations-spaces and locations used in the past, locations that would be of good use for the future.We need to be flexible and creative.Sara
--Sara Mattes


On May 10, 2023, at 5:35 PM, Barbara Low  wrote:With regard to the COA using various locations for their programming, the staff of the COA cannot easily run programming in multiple locations and still do the other work they need to do. Programming is a large part of what the COA does but there is also the social work/counseling/problem solving aspects of their jobs. Their jobs cannot be well done if they are running from site to site to manage programming. And Bemis is inadequate for the needs of the senior citizens -- access to the building, bathroom facilities (the handicapped bathrooms are in the basement and the large group programming is on the second floor), and private office space is lacking to have the necessary confidential meetings.I think many of the people complaining about the community center are not folks who are currently using the COA services. Your day will come.BarbaraFrom: Lincoln  on behalf of Seth Rosen Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 4:54 PMTo: Ruth Ann Hendrickson Cc: Lincoln@lincolntalk.org Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction? Ruth Ann - I can’t speak for others, but I am not disagreeing with the location of the proposed community center.  I agree if one was to be built, the Hartwell location is the optimal one.I am disagreeing that we need a community center at all.  I don’t think we should build one.  Instead I think we should replace the current “pods” with new ones to accommodate LEAP and PRD. Keep the existing locations and modestly expand the footprints. Upgrade the other existing facilities to the extent needed to accommodate our current programming. That solution is perhaps $5-8m and accomplished all of the mission critical objectives.Candidly, looking at the actual list of programs there are only nine (9) things on there that can’t continue to stay where they are.  And those nine things don’t even close to justify the construction of a new building, in my opinion. I’d encourage other taxpayers to look at the list and see if they think it justifies a solution of the scope and scale proposed. I think the reality is, because of our small size, our town requires the “decentralized” approach we’ve used to date.  Seth On May 10, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Ruth Ann Hendrickson  wrote:Five years or so ago, the assigned committees did an EXHAUSTIVE search for potential sites for a new Community Center including multiple open charettes to discuss locations. The overwhelming choice of the large group of participants was to have the Center at Hartwell. The motion at town meeting was worded to develop options for a Center near Hartwell. That is the CCBC's charge. They are not charged with considering new locations.If a large group of people want to propose a different location, please form yourselves into an ad hoc committee and do the work to flesh out your ideas. You can get a head start by looking at the previous studies that considered other locations. Then ask the Selects if you can present your findings at the fall State of the Town Meeting. It is easy to say there are spaces at the Mall. It is much harder to be specific  - which spaces and what needs could be accommodated there.I look forward the hearing  your proposals. New ideas are always worth consideration.Ruth Ann Hendrickson
(She, her)On 5/10/2023 3:43 PM, Peter Buchthal wrote:We have started a robust discussion on LincolnTalk about the new community center.  It appears that after spending a short amount of time looking at the other available properties in the town, the committee has decided to only focus resources going forward on building a new facility on the Hartwell campus.  Underused town resources require maintenanceWe are a small town with many underused town resources.  Some of our town buildings are in need of overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town buildings be ADA and handicap accessible?Bemis needs a refresh and it will require ongoing maintenance even if we build a community center.  Shouldn’t we figure out how much this future underused building will cost the town to keep it in good shape?  Or are people suggesting the plan is to take it down at some point?  The Pierce House has so much deferred maintenance that it may become unsafe in the near future.  The interior  reminds me of Miss Havisham’s home 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Sara Mattes]

I have been using COA programming for years…15 or so.
I have enjoyed multiple programs in multiple settings.
How was it possible then, but not now?

Perhaps there needs to be better space for social and health services, and even 
administration, but we need to continue with the use of programming in multiple 
locations-spaces and locations used in the past, locations that would be of 
good use for the future.

We need to be flexible and creative.

Sara




--
Sara Mattes




> On May 10, 2023, at 5:35 PM, Barbara Low  wrote:
> 
> With regard to the COA using various locations for their programming, the 
> staff of the COA cannot easily run programming in multiple locations and 
> still do the other work they need to do. Programming is a large part of what 
> the COA does but there is also the social work/counseling/problem solving 
> aspects of their jobs. Their jobs cannot be well done if they are running 
> from site to site to manage programming. And Bemis is inadequate for the 
> needs of the senior citizens -- access to the building, bathroom facilities 
> (the handicapped bathrooms are in the basement and the large group 
> programming is on the second floor), and private office space is lacking to 
> have the necessary confidential meetings.
> 
> I think many of the people complaining about the community center are not 
> folks who are currently using the COA services. Your day will come.
> 
> Barbara
> From: Lincoln  on behalf of Seth Rosen 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 4:54 PM
> To: Ruth Ann Hendrickson 
> Cc: Lincoln@lincolntalk.org 
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and 
> observations. Is it time for a course correction?
>  
> 
> Ruth Ann - I can’t speak for others, but I am not disagreeing with the 
> location of the proposed community center.  I agree if one was to be built, 
> the Hartwell location is the optimal one.
> 
> I am disagreeing that we need a community center at all.  I don’t think we 
> should build one.  Instead I think we should replace the current “pods” with 
> new ones to accommodate LEAP and PRD. Keep the existing locations and 
> modestly expand the footprints. Upgrade the other existing facilities to the 
> extent needed to accommodate our current programming. 
> 
> That solution is perhaps $5-8m and accomplished all of the mission critical 
> objectives.
> 
> Candidly, looking at the actual list of programs there are only nine (9) 
> things on there that can’t continue to stay where they are.  And those nine 
> things don’t even close to justify the construction of a new building, in my 
> opinion. I’d encourage other taxpayers to look at the list and see if they 
> think it justifies a solution of the scope and scale proposed. 
> 
> I think the reality is, because of our small size, our town requires the 
> “decentralized” approach we’ve used to date.  
> 
> Seth 
> 
>> On May 10, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Ruth Ann Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Five years or so ago, the assigned committees did an EXHAUSTIVE search for 
>> potential sites for a new Community Center including multiple open charettes 
>> to discuss locations. The overwhelming choice of the large group of 
>> participants was to have the Center at Hartwell. The motion at town meeting 
>> was worded to develop options for a Center near Hartwell. That is the CCBC's 
>> charge. They are not charged with considering new locations.
>> If a large group of people want to propose a different location, please form 
>> yourselves into an ad hoc committee and do the work to flesh out your ideas. 
>> You can get a head start by looking at the previous studies that considered 
>> other locations. Then ask the Selects if you can present your findings at 
>> the fall State of the Town Meeting. It is easy to say there are spaces at 
>> the Mall. It is much harder to be specific  - which spaces and what needs 
>> could be accommodated there.
>> I look forward the hearing  your proposals. New ideas are always worth 
>> consideration.
>> Ruth Ann Hendrickson
>> (She, her)
>> On 5/10/2023 3:43 PM, Peter Buchthal wrote:
>>> We have started a robust discussion on LincolnTalk about the new community 
>>> center.  It appears that after spending a short amount of time looking at 
>>> the other available properties in the town, the committee has decided to 
>>> only focus resources going forward on building a new facility on the 
>>> Hartwell campus. 
>>>  
>>> Underused town resources require maintenance
>>> We are a small town with many underused town resources.  Some of our town 
>>> buildings are in need of overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town buildings 
>>> be ADA and handicap accessible?
>>> Bemis needs a refresh and it will require ongoing maintenance even if we 
>>> build a community center.  Shouldn’t we figure out how much this future 
>>> underused building will cost the town to keep it in good shape?  Or are 
>>> people suggesting the plan is to take it down at some 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Barbara Low]

With regard to the COA using various locations for their programming, the 
staff of the COA cannot easily run programming in multiple locations and 
still do the other work they need to do. Programming is a large part of what 
the COA does but there is also the social work/counseling/problem solving 
aspects of their jobs. Their jobs cannot be well done if they are running from 
site to site to manage programming. And Bemis is inadequate for the needs of 
the senior citizens -- access to the building, bathroom facilities (the 
handicapped bathrooms are in the basement and the large group programming is on 
the second floor), and private office space is lacking to have the necessary 
confidential meetings.

I think many of the people complaining about the community center are not folks 
who are currently using the COA services. Your day will come.

Barbara

From: Lincoln  on behalf of Seth Rosen 

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 4:54 PM
To: Ruth Ann Hendrickson 
Cc: Lincoln@lincolntalk.org 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and 
observations. Is it time for a course correction?


Ruth Ann - I can’t speak for others, but I am not disagreeing with the location 
of the proposed community center.  I agree if one was to be built, the Hartwell 
location is the optimal one.

I am disagreeing that we need a community center at all.  I don’t think we 
should build one.  Instead I think we should replace the current “pods” with 
new ones to accommodate LEAP and PRD. Keep the existing locations and modestly 
expand the footprints. Upgrade the other existing facilities to the extent 
needed to accommodate our current programming.

That solution is perhaps $5-8m and accomplished all of the mission critical 
objectives.

Candidly, looking at the actual list of programs there are only nine (9) things 
on there that can’t continue to stay where they are.  And those nine things 
don’t even close to justify the construction of a new building, in my opinion. 
I’d encourage other taxpayers to look at the list and see if they think it 
justifies a solution of the scope and scale proposed.

I think the reality is, because of our small size, our town requires the 
“decentralized” approach we’ve used to date.

Seth

On May 10, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Ruth Ann Hendrickson  
wrote:



Five years or so ago, the assigned committees did an EXHAUSTIVE search for 
potential sites for a new Community Center including multiple open charettes to 
discuss locations. The overwhelming choice of the large group of participants 
was to have the Center at Hartwell. The motion at town meeting was worded to 
develop options for a Center near Hartwell. That is the CCBC's charge. They are 
not charged with considering new locations.

If a large group of people want to propose a different location, please form 
yourselves into an ad hoc committee and do the work to flesh out your ideas. 
You can get a head start by looking at the previous studies that considered 
other locations. Then ask the Selects if you can present your findings at the 
fall State of the Town Meeting. It is easy to say there are spaces at the Mall. 
It is much harder to be specific  - which spaces and what needs could be 
accommodated there.

I look forward the hearing  your proposals. New ideas are always worth 
consideration.

Ruth Ann Hendrickson
(She, her)

On 5/10/2023 3:43 PM, Peter Buchthal wrote:

We have started a robust discussion on LincolnTalk about the new community 
center.  It appears that after spending a short amount of time looking at the 
other available properties in the town, the committee has decided to only focus 
resources going forward on building a new facility on the Hartwell campus.



Underused town resources require maintenance

We are a small town with many underused town resources.  Some of our town 
buildings are in need of overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town buildings be 
ADA and handicap accessible?

Bemis needs a refresh and it will require ongoing maintenance even if we build 
a community center.  Shouldn’t we figure out how much this future underused 
building will cost the town to keep it in good shape?  Or are people suggesting 
the plan is to take it down at some point?

The Pierce House has so much deferred maintenance that it may become unsafe in 
the near future.  The interior  reminds me of Miss Havisham’s home from Great 
Expectations.  Without a Pip or Estella to maintain it, we have allowed this 
generous gift from the Pierce family to fall into major disrepair.   As a key 
town property, we need to properly maintain the Pierce House and the grounds.   
Why not create a better use of the building than a Wedding Factory?

The world also appears to be going more and more digital.  Could some of the 
space of the town library be re-purposed for other town needs?

At a minimum, the town needs to properly plan for Bemis and Pierce House 
maintenance (ADA compliance).  As a 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Seth Rosen]

Ruth Ann - I can’t speak for others, but I am not disagreeing with the location of the proposed community center.  I agree if one was to be built, the Hartwell location is the optimal one.I am disagreeing that we need a community center at all.  I don’t think we should build one.  Instead I think we should replace the current “pods” with new ones to accommodate LEAP and PRD. Keep the existing locations and modestly expand the footprints. Upgrade the other existing facilities to the extent needed to accommodate our current programming. That solution is perhaps $5-8m and accomplished all of the mission critical objectives.Candidly, looking at the actual list of programs there are only nine (9) things on there that can’t continue to stay where they are.  And those nine things don’t even close to justify the construction of a new building, in my opinion. I’d encourage other taxpayers to look at the list and see if they think it justifies a solution of the scope and scale proposed. I think the reality is, because of our small size, our town requires the “decentralized” approach we’ve used to date.  Seth On May 10, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Ruth Ann Hendrickson  wrote:
  

  
  
Five years or so ago, the assigned committees did an EXHAUSTIVE
  search for potential sites for a new Community Center including
  multiple open charettes to discuss locations. The overwhelming
  choice of the large group of participants was to have the Center
  at Hartwell. The motion at town meeting was worded to develop
  options for a Center near Hartwell. That is the CCBC's charge.
  They are not charged with considering new locations.

If a large group of people want to propose a different location,
  please form yourselves into an ad hoc committee and do the work to
  flesh out your ideas. You can get a head start by looking at the
  previous studies that considered other locations. Then ask the
  Selects if you can present your findings at the fall State of the
  Town Meeting. It is easy to say there are spaces at the Mall. It
  is much harder to be specific  - which spaces and what needs could
  be accommodated there.
I look forward the hearing  your proposals. New ideas are always
  worth consideration.

Ruth Ann Hendrickson
(She, her)
On 5/10/2023 3:43 PM, Peter Buchthal
  wrote:


  
We have started a robust discussion on
  LincolnTalk about the
  new community center.  It appears that
  after spending a short amount of time looking at the other
  available properties
  in the town, the committee has decided to only focus resources
  going forward on
  building a new facility on the Hartwell campus. 
 
Underused town resources require
maintenance
We are a small town with many underused
  town resources.  Some of our town buildings are in need of
  overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town
  buildings be ADA and handicap accessible? 
Bemis needs a refresh and it will require
  ongoing
  maintenance even if we build a community center.  Shouldn’t we
  figure out how much this future
  underused building will cost the town to keep it in good
  shape?  Or are people suggesting the plan is to take
  it down at some point?  
The Pierce House has so much deferred
  maintenance that it
  may become unsafe in the near future.  The
  interior  reminds me of Miss Havisham’s home
  from Great Expectations.  Without a Pip
  or Estella to maintain it, we have allowed this generous gift
  from the Pierce
  family to fall into major disrepair.   As a key town property,
  we need to properly maintain the Pierce House and the grounds.
    Why not create a better use of the building
  than a Wedding Factory?  
The world also appears to be going more and
  more
  digital.  Could some of the space of the
  town library be re-purposed for other town needs?
At a minimum, the town needs to properly
  plan for Bemis and
  Pierce House maintenance (ADA compliance). 
  As a homeowner, I know nothing gets maintained or fixed by
  itself.  Would these spaces meet some, many or most of
  the needs of COA with some investment?
 
Time to take a LEAP?
The current LEAP facilities are  in dire
  need of an upgrade. Our brand new
  school is way too large for our needs; we should investigate
  options for adding
  new community usage within it.  For most
  Lincoln residents who are not familiar with the layout, 
  Lincoln
  School Interior Final Plan is the final
  interior plan from the school building committee website.  The
  

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Sara Mattes]

The charge to the CCBC, at the Spc.Town Meeting, was to consider alternative 
locations for a variety of programs, uses and functions.
Hartwell was to remain the principle site for NEW construction, but that other 
sites were to be included for some uses, in order to reduce the amount of new 
construction needed.
So, it is the current CCBC that is charged with seeking alternative spaces, be 
it at the Mall or St. Annes or the Stone Church, or Bemis, or Pierce House.
It is not for an Ad Hoc committee to duplicate these endeavors.

As previously mentioned, our existing town-owned buildings will require ongoing 
maintenance, and, in fact, some improvements.
Perhaps this is an opportunity to jump start some of those projects - certainly 
cheaper, in the long run than  creating more building sq. footage to maintain, 
and creating more/expanded parking lots and paved surfaces.
Perhaps we should investigate how the remodeled Town Offices were able to 
create an HVAC system that provides habitable spaces in the lower level and 
apply those lessons to Bemis Hall.
And what would it take to advance the creation of the handicapped accessible 
bathroom on the first floor of the Pierce House, which already has a kitchen 
upgrade in the works?

Perhaps we could look at the programs currently offered at other institutions 
around town and see how we might coordinate-Codman Farm has a new commercial 
kitchen and offers cooking classes, DeCordova offers some art programs.
What else might be out there?
Do we need to reinvent the wheel and compete with these organizations that 
might appreciate our support?

And why the call for a large new space, with a stage and a grand piano when 
that already exists...at Bemis Hall?

And what programs are available to us in other neighboring towns?
We were told we needed to open our COA programs to other towns-“reciprocity” 
was it?
Doesn’t that work both ways?
What programs are open to us, through reciprocity, in other neighboring 
communities-communities with large facilities and even larger budgets?

Yes, we need to build better spaces for after-school programs, LEAP, summer 
camp, Park & Rec. and even some new spaces for COA.
But, let us be more creative and maximize the use of spaces that already exist.
Let us make sure that our eyes are not bigger than our (fiscal) stomachs.

Regards,
Sara






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> On May 10, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Ruth Ann Hendrickson  
> wrote:
> 
> Five years or so ago, the assigned committees did an EXHAUSTIVE search for 
> potential sites for a new Community Center including multiple open charettes 
> to discuss locations. The overwhelming choice of the large group of 
> participants was to have the Center at Hartwell. The motion at town meeting 
> was worded to develop options for a Center near Hartwell. That is the CCBC's 
> charge. They are not charged with considering new locations.
> 
> If a large group of people want to propose a different location, please form 
> yourselves into an ad hoc committee and do the work to flesh out your ideas. 
> You can get a head start by looking at the previous studies that considered 
> other locations. Then ask the Selects if you can present your findings at the 
> fall State of the Town Meeting. It is easy to say there are spaces at the 
> Mall. It is much harder to be specific  - which spaces and what needs could 
> be accommodated there.
> 
> I look forward the hearing  your proposals. New ideas are always worth 
> consideration.
> 
> Ruth Ann Hendrickson
> (She, her)
> On 5/10/2023 3:43 PM, Peter Buchthal wrote:
>> We have started a robust discussion on LincolnTalk about the new community 
>> center.  It appears that after spending a short amount of time looking at 
>> the other available properties in the town, the committee has decided to 
>> only focus resources going forward on building a new facility on the 
>> Hartwell campus.
>> 
>>  
>> Underused town resources require maintenance
>> 
>> We are a small town with many underused town resources.  Some of our town 
>> buildings are in need of overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town buildings 
>> be ADA and handicap accessible?
>> 
>> Bemis needs a refresh and it will require ongoing maintenance even if we 
>> build a community center.  Shouldn’t we figure out how much this future 
>> underused building will cost the town to keep it in good shape?  Or are 
>> people suggesting the plan is to take it down at some point? 
>> 
>> The Pierce House has so much deferred maintenance that it may become unsafe 
>> in the near future.  The interior  reminds me of Miss Havisham’s home from 
>> Great Expectations.  Without a Pip or Estella to maintain it, we have 
>> allowed this generous gift from the Pierce family to fall into major 
>> disrepair.   As a key town property, we need to properly maintain the Pierce 
>> House and the grounds.   Why not create a better use of the building than a 
>> Wedding Factory?  
>> 
>> The world also appears to be going 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Ruth Ann Hendrickson]

Five years or so ago, the assigned committees did an EXHAUSTIVE search 
for potential sites for a new Community Center including multiple open 
charettes to discuss locations. The overwhelming choice of the large 
group of participants was to have the Center at Hartwell. The motion at 
town meeting was worded to develop options for a Center near Hartwell. 
That is the CCBC's charge. They are not charged with considering new 
locations.


If a large group of people want to propose a different location, please 
form yourselves into an ad hoc committee and do the work to flesh out 
your ideas. You can get a head start by looking at the previous studies 
that considered other locations. Then ask the Selects if you can present 
your findings at the fall State of the Town Meeting. It is easy to say 
there are spaces at the Mall. It is much harder to be specific  - which 
spaces and what needs could be accommodated there.


I look forward the hearing  your proposals. New ideas are always worth 
consideration.


Ruth Ann Hendrickson
(She, her)

On 5/10/2023 3:43 PM, Peter Buchthal wrote:


We have started a robust discussion on LincolnTalk about the new 
community center.  It appears that after spending a short amount of 
time looking at the other available properties in the town, the 
committee has decided to only focus resources going forward on 
building a new facility on the Hartwell campus.


*Underused town resources require maintenance*

We are a small town with many underused town resources.  Some of our 
town buildings are in need of overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town 
buildings be ADA and handicap accessible?


Bemis needs a refresh and it will require ongoing maintenance even if 
we build a community center.  Shouldn’t we figure out how much this 
future underused building will cost the town to keep it in good 
shape?  Or are people suggesting the plan is to take it down at some 
point?


The Pierce House has so much deferred maintenance that it may become 
unsafe in the near future.  The interior  reminds me of Miss 
Havisham’s home from Great Expectations.  Without a Pip or Estella to 
maintain it, we have allowed this generous gift from the Pierce family 
to fall into major disrepair.   As a key town property, we need to 
properly maintain the Pierce House and the grounds.   Why not create a 
better use of the building than a Wedding Factory?


The world also appears to be going more and more digital.  Could some 
of the space of the town library be re-purposed for other town needs?


At a minimum, the town needs to properly plan for Bemis and Pierce 
House maintenance (ADA compliance). As a homeowner, I know nothing 
gets maintained or fixed by itself.  Would these spaces meet some, 
many or most of the needs of COA with some investment?


**

*Time to take a LEAP?*

The current LEAP facilities are  in dire need of an upgrade. Our brand 
new school is way too large for our needs; we should investigate 
options for adding new community usage within it.  For most Lincoln 
residents who are not familiar with the layout, Lincoln School 
Interior Final Plan 
 is 
the final interior plan from the school building committee website.  
The school’s 165K square feet should be able to host 1,000 students 
(based upon Mass State Building Standards)It is very important to note 
that the school was designed for 650+ students and currently has only 
550 (PK-8).  Enrollment has consistently been going down and we don’t 
expect a reversal in trend where we would all of sudden have a need 
for an additional 100 students. We have significantly more classrooms 
than number of sections.  I propose we take a careful look at how our 
school’s 165K sqft are being used and repurpose some of it to be part 
of a new LEAP. Leap is 100% after school and could take advantage of 
all of the bathroom, playgrounds, hvac and other facilities in the 
school at minimal cost.  Some will argue that we cannot use school 
facilities because projects/materials, etc will be disturbed but there 
are empty/underutilized spaces given the school was built for a much 
higher enrollment.  If Leap needs even more space, then let’s add 
space to the school as I believe having after Leap in the school just 
makes more sense.  Adding new space would be materially cheaper than 
hosting it in a new community center or updating Hartwell B.  
Reconfiguring some of the existing classroom/hub layout would even be 
cheaper than any other building option for Leap.


*Does a stage belong in the new community center?*

Many of you all don’t know this, but the old Smith Gym used to have a 
stage at the end of the gym. In the new school, the old stage was 
redesigned as the K-4 Music Room.  From the CCBC presentations, one of 
the users of a new stage at the Community Center would be the Smith 
School Musical productions.  I think it would be much less costly to 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Lynne Smith]

Peter,Thank you for your thoughtful comments. You have given detail and rationale for my desire to see our old, unique buildings maintained and our new one more fully used.I am waiting for reassurance that the committee is interested in something more than just a new building.  But, as others have pointed out, it is called a Building Committee and the architects seem to be asked only to propose a new building.I don’t want to ‘do nothing’. I hope the Committee will respond specifically to your comments.Lynne Smith5 Tabor Hill RoadLincoln, MA 01773781-258-1175Sent from my iPhoneOn 10 May 2023, at 3:46 p.m., Peter Buchthal  wrote:We have started a robust discussion on LincolnTalk about the
new community center.  It appears that
after spending a short amount of time looking at the other available properties
in the town, the committee has decided to only focus resources going forward on
building a new facility on the Hartwell campus. 

 

Underused town resources require maintenance

We are a small town with many underused town resources.  Some of our town buildings are in need of
overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town
buildings be ADA and handicap accessible? 

Bemis needs a refresh and it will require ongoing
maintenance even if we build a community center.  Shouldn’t we figure out how much this future
underused building will cost the town to keep it in good shape?  Or are people suggesting the plan is to take
it down at some point?  

The Pierce House has so much deferred maintenance that it
may become unsafe in the near future.  The
interior  reminds me of Miss Havisham’s home
from Great Expectations.  Without a Pip
or Estella to maintain it, we have allowed this generous gift from the Pierce
family to fall into major disrepair.   As a key town property, we need to properly maintain the Pierce House and the grounds.   Why not create a better use of the building
than a Wedding Factory?  

The world also appears to be going more and more
digital.  Could some of the space of the
town library be re-purposed for other town needs?

At a minimum, the town needs to properly plan for Bemis and
Pierce House maintenance (ADA compliance). 
As a homeowner, I know nothing gets maintained or fixed by itself.  Would these spaces meet some, many or most of
the needs of COA with some investment?

 

Time to take a LEAP?

The current LEAP facilities are  in dire need of an upgrade. Our brand new
school is way too large for our needs; we should investigate options for adding
new community usage within it.  For most
Lincoln residents who are not familiar with the layout, 
















Lincoln
School Interior Final Plan is the final
interior plan from the school building committee website.  The school’s 165K square feet should be able
to host 1,000 students (based upon Mass State Building Standards)It is very
important to note that the school was designed for 650+ students and currently has only 550 (PK-8).  Enrollment has
consistently been going down and we don’t expect a reversal in trend where we
would all of sudden have a need for an additional 100 students. We have
significantly more classrooms than number of sections.  I
propose we take a careful look at how our school’s 165K sqft are being used and
repurpose some of it to be part of a new LEAP. 
Leap is 100% after school and could take advantage of all of the
bathroom, playgrounds, hvac and other facilities in the school at minimal
cost.  Some will argue that we cannot use
school facilities because projects/materials, etc will be disturbed but there
are empty/underutilized spaces given the school was built for a much higher
enrollment.  If Leap needs even more
space, then let’s add space to the school as I believe having after Leap in the
school just makes more sense.  Adding new space would be materially cheaper than hosting it in a new
community center or updating Hartwell B.  Reconfiguring some of the existing classroom/hub layout would even be cheaper than any other building option for Leap.

Does a stage belong in the new community center?

Many of you all don’t know this, but the old Smith Gym used
to have a stage at the end of the gym.  
In the new school, the old stage was redesigned as the K-4 Music
Room.  From the CCBC presentations, one
of the users of a new stage at the Community Center would be the Smith School
Musical productions.  I think it would be
much less costly to find a new home for the current Music Room and recreate the
Smith Stage in the Smith Gym where it belongs. 
That will make it more convenient for kids both during school and after
school to participate in theatre productions.

 

“Nice to haves” vs “Must haves”

It appears to me that both COA and Parks and Recs are
struggling to justify their space needs. 
We see programs that are earmarked to be relocated to the new Community
Center without historical details of how many people participated in the
offering on average (and maximum) in the past year or two.   Maybe we can use the 

Re: [LincolnTalk] INF: CCBC Forum Opinion

[sally kindleberger]

I would like to add my two cents to Barbara's comment.  Bemis Hall is a
wonderful old building but it doesn't meet the needs of very frail elderly
people.  The entrance ramp into the building is narrow and doesn't easily
fit wheelchairs.  The ground floor bathrooms can't
accommodate wheelchairs.  We need a Community Center which meets the needs
of all members of the community!  I would like to be able to sit down with
many town constituents - kids, fitness classes, and meet new folk at group
dinners.  There are older people in this town who are lonely and will
benefit from a safe place to connect with others.!

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 12:20 PM Seth Rosen  wrote:

> Barbara, it seems to me that we could brainstorm solutions to problems
> like that, which I acknowledge do need to be addressed.
>
> Do we really believe that issue (and issues like it) can’t be solved
> without constructing a brand new 8-figure building?  That’s our best idea?
>
> The feedback I’m hearing, which I wholeheartedly agree with, is that we
> need a fresh analysis of the needs.  Along with a recognition of true
> budget constraints.
>
> Remember though, we’ve authorized the expenditure of $325,000 on
> architectural plans to build a building. And we will get a set of
> architectural plans, because that’s what we’ve asked for.  The cheapest
> “option” will be $12.5m… and up from there.
>
> And if we aren’t careful, we’ll build a big building we don’t need and
> can’t afford.  It will be underutilized and way oversized. And we’ll have
> to maintain it and the payments on the loan we had to take out to build it.
>
>
> And shortly thereafter we’ll have to make even harder tradeoffs on the
> rest of the capital expenditures coming our way in the near future….
>
> I hope folks who think this is fiscally irresponsible speak out and show
> up to vote.
>
> Seth
>
>
> On May 8, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Barbara Low  wrote:
>
> 
> Parking at Bemis Hall is an issue. To park in front of Bemis (in the few
> spaces that are there), means backing out onto Bedford Road which is scary
> and sometimes dangerous. If there is no activity at the church, that
> parking is available for Bemis events, but again, one has to cross Bedford
> Road which is often busy and walk a fair distance if one is elderly and/or
> infirm.
> --
> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of June L
> Matthews 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 8, 2023 11:24 AM
> *To:* Lynne Smith ; Lincoln 
> *Cc:* Connie Ohlsten 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] INF: CCBC Forum Opinion
>
>
> Hello, Lynne.  I agree wholeheartedly, that the CCBC and ICON are “aiming
> high” and monolithically.  Given the number of vacant and under-utilized
> spaces in town, I cannot endorse the construction of an expensive large new
> building.  The very people that it is aiming to serve may not be able to
> afford the increase in their taxes.
>
>
>
> Various people have asked, if such a building is constructed, what will
> happen to Bemis Hall, one of our town’s fine old buildings?
>
>
>
> I agree that Bemis needs refurbishment and upgrades to serve the COA
> programs, going forward.  What would be the cost of the necessary
> refurbishments?
>
>
>
> Pierce House has been mentioned as being suitable for some COA
> activities.  Is anyone pursuing this option?  Again, upgrades (e.g.
> accessible bathrooms, an elevator) might be needed and their cost should be
> investigated.
>
>
>
> There is vacant space in the Mall area, and other space that might be
> re-purposed.
>
>
>
> Lastly, I would like to learn more about Wayland’s plans for a community
> center – much smaller for a significantly larger town, and much less
> costly.  Someone on the CCBC should look into this.
>
>
>
> Several good points were made in the posting entitled “Why the Community
> Center must be at Harwell,”  but I strongly objected to the use of the word
> “must.”  That set the tone that the decision had already been made, and
> that further community input (as to alternatives to Hartwell) was not being
> welcomed.
>
>
>
> Let’s indeed be creative and further explore the options that have been
> put out there.
>
>
>
> June Matthews
>
> Greenridge Lane
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  * On Behalf Of *Lynne
> Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, May 8, 2023 9:19 AM
> *To:* Lincoln 
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] INF: CCBC Forum Opinion
>
>
>
>
> Below is the article I wrote for the Lincoln Squirrel on the April 25
> Forum.
>
>
> 
>
> The Community Center Building Committee (CCBC), with the help of ICON
> Architecture, is hitting its stride. At the April 25th Forum, I was glad to
> see a draft of space needs for a new building but disappointed by the size
> and number of rooms being considered.
>
> ICON project manager Mark McKivitz emphasized that the draft was
> preliminary and will be fleshed out in the next two weeks, but the 18,000
> square feet for the Parks & Recreation Department and the 

[LincolnTalk] Community Center - more in-depth analysis and observations. Is it time for a course correction?

[Peter Buchthal]

We have started a robust discussion on LincolnTalk about the new community
center.  It appears that after spending a short amount of time looking at
the other available properties in the town, the committee has decided to
only focus resources going forward on building a new facility on the
Hartwell campus.



*Underused town resources require maintenance*

We are a small town with many underused town resources.  Some of our town
buildings are in need of overdue maintenance.  Shouldn’t all town buildings
be ADA and handicap accessible?

Bemis needs a refresh and it will require ongoing maintenance even if we
build a community center.  Shouldn’t we figure out how much this future
underused building will cost the town to keep it in good shape?  Or are
people suggesting the plan is to take it down at some point?

The Pierce House has so much deferred maintenance that it may become unsafe
in the near future.  The interior  reminds me of Miss Havisham’s home from
Great Expectations.  Without a Pip or Estella to maintain it, we have
allowed this generous gift from the Pierce family to fall into major
disrepair.   As a key town property, we need to properly maintain the
Pierce House and the grounds.   Why not create a better use of the building
than a Wedding Factory?

The world also appears to be going more and more digital.  Could some of
the space of the town library be re-purposed for other town needs?

At a minimum, the town needs to properly plan for Bemis and Pierce House
maintenance (ADA compliance).  As a homeowner, I know nothing gets
maintained or fixed by itself.  Would these spaces meet some, many or most
of the needs of COA with some investment?



*Time to take a LEAP?*

The current LEAP facilities are  in dire need of an upgrade. Our brand new
school is way too large for our needs; we should investigate options for
adding new community usage within it.  For most Lincoln residents who are
not familiar with the layout,  Lincoln School Interior Final Plan

is
the final interior plan from the school building committee website.  The
school’s 165K square feet should be able to host 1,000 students (based upon
Mass State Building Standards)It is very important to note that the school
was designed for 650+ students and currently has only 550 (PK-8).
Enrollment has consistently been going down and we don’t expect a reversal
in trend where we would all of sudden have a need for an additional 100
students. We have significantly more classrooms than number of sections.  I
propose we take a careful look at how our school’s 165K sqft are being used
and repurpose some of it to be part of a new LEAP.  Leap is 100% after
school and could take advantage of all of the bathroom, playgrounds, hvac
and other facilities in the school at minimal cost.  Some will argue that
we cannot use school facilities because projects/materials, etc will be
disturbed but there are empty/underutilized spaces given the school was
built for a much higher enrollment.  If Leap needs even more space, then
let’s add space to the school as I believe having after Leap in the school
just makes more sense.  Adding new space would be materially cheaper than
hosting it in a new community center or updating Hartwell B.  Reconfiguring
some of the existing classroom/hub layout would even be cheaper than any
other building option for Leap.

*Does a stage belong in the new community center?*

Many of you all don’t know this, but the old Smith Gym used to have a stage
at the end of the gym.   In the new school, the old stage was redesigned as
the K-4 Music Room.  From the CCBC presentations, one of the users of a new
stage at the Community Center would be the Smith School Musical
productions.  I think it would be much less costly to find a new home for
the current Music Room and recreate the Smith Stage in the Smith Gym where
it belongs.  That will make it more convenient for kids both during school
and after school to participate in theatre productions.



*“Nice to haves” vs “Must haves”*

It appears to me that both COA and Parks and Recs are struggling to justify
their space needs.  We see programs that are earmarked to be relocated to
the new Community Center without historical details of how many people
participated in the offering on average (and maximum) in the past year or
two.   Maybe we can use the “fix-it”/arts and crafts room for more than
just arts and crafts and use it more hours of the day.

For instance, does Parks and Rec really need a conference room to host the
summer camp staff?  I am of the understanding that the summer camp uses the
school for bathrooms and inclement weather.  Surely, can’t we all agree
that having a staff office in the current school during the summer time
makes more sense than in the community center?

Another interesting point, vaccine clinics are labeled as “cannot stay” at
the First Parish Church and therefore *must 

[LincolnTalk] TAKEN Re: FREE Shorty Wetsuit

[Margo Fisher-Martin]

Thank you for your interest.


On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 4:04 PM Margo Fisher-Martin <
margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
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> Waist is around 30. Material stretches.
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>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Accurate Math regarding Community Center

[Seth Rosen]

Hi Peter -

My math comes directly from the CCBC’s information, which I linked to…

17,948 gross sf brand new construction + 5,000 sf substantive renovation for 
LEAP + 2,000 sf of maintenance space = 24,948 sf total. Rounded to 25,000 sf.

Seth 

> On May 10, 2023, at 9:19 AM, Peter von Mertens  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> There is a healthy debate going on about space required for a Community 
> Center but we should use accurate math.  By adding up the subtotals of space 
> from Mr Rosen's memo I arrive at 17,820 sq ft not the 25,000 sq ft quoted.  
> 
> I am glad to see Mr Rosen's encouragement for better spaces for LEAP.   I do 
> think that LEAP and other activities can share (and clean up) well designed 
> spaces and that neither needs exclusive reserved usage. 
> 
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[LincolnTalk] Accurate Math regarding Community Center

[Peter von Mertens]

There is a healthy debate going on about space required for a Community
Center but we should use accurate math.  By adding up the subtotals of
space from Mr Rosen's memo I arrive at 17,820 sq ft not the 25,000 sq ft
quoted.

I am glad to see Mr Rosen's encouragement for better spaces for LEAP.   I
do think that LEAP and other activities can share (and clean up) well
designed spaces and that neither needs exclusive reserved usage.

Peace Peter
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[LincolnTalk] First Call to the Lincoln Democratic Town Committee Caucus on June 4 at 2:00

[Joan Kimball]

FIRST CALL to* Lincoln Democratic Caucus June 4* to Elect Delegates to MA
State Convention (to be held on September 23, 2023 in person.)





WHAT: *Lincoln Democratic Caucus*



 WHEN:   Sunday, June 4 at 2:00 at Bemis Hall. *Doors open at 1:30 and
close at 2:15 **sharp, as required by Massachusetts Democratic Committee
rules.*



WHERE:   Bemis Hall in person



WHY:We shall elect 5 delegates and 4 alternates to represent
Lincoln at the 2023 Massachusetts Democratic Party Convention--in person--
in Lowell, MA on Saturday, September 23, 2023.



WHO:All registered and pre-registered Lincoln Democrats are eligible *not
only to vote but also to be a delegate**.*



 SPECIAL ELIGIBILITY:  Democrats who will be 16 by *May 23, 2023* may
pre-register
for the caucus and participate and run as a delegate or alternate to the
convention, although they are not eligible to vote in general elections
until they are 18.



Youth, minorities, people with disabilities, and LGBTQ individuals who are
not elected as a delegate or alternate are encouraged to apply to be an
add-on delegate to the caucus at the caucus or by visiting or at
*www.massdems.org/massdems-convention
*.



 QUESTIONS:  Go to https://www.lincolnmadems.org/join-us   Send a message
to the LDTC Co-Chairs under “Contact us.”



Joan Kimball and Travis Roland, Co-Chairs

Lincoln Democratic Town Committee
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