Re: [LincolnTalk] Survey Responses Regarding the Community Center Location

[Richard Panetta]

With all due respect there was not a clear consensus. There was a
compromise since the meeting was dragging on and people just wanted to move
the process forward.

We were told the hartwell option was the only viable option so there really
was not a choice. Let’s call a spade a spade and stop with the false
narratives please



On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 9:38 PM Krystal Wood <
ccbccommunicationscommit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Survey Responses regarding the Community Center Location.*
>
>
>
> While the motion approved at the November 2022 Special Town Meeting
> recognized that the Community Center would be located at the Hartwell
> Complex, in the recent CCBC survey responses and during the open microphone
> Community Center meeting on April 4, some  residents expressed their
> continuing interest in locating the Center at Lincoln Station, or in the
> consideration of other locations around town.   There are a number of
> issues that are worth more explanation.
>
>
>
> *The Lincoln Station location:*
>
>
>
> 1. The Parks and Recreation (PRD) programs are located at existing
> space at the Hartwell complex, and will continue to be located at Hartwell,
> so Lincoln children can easily walk to their after-school activities.
>
> 2. There is no viable site at Lincoln Station for a Council on Aging
> & Human Services (COA) center.   No private land owner has talked to
> the Town about siting a center on their property. The Town owns three
> properties: the DPW site, paved commuter parking lot and unpaved commuter
> parking lot.   Consultants in a previous study estimated the cost for
> moving the DPW to the only viable site (Transfer Station) to be about $25
> million. The unpaved commuter lot is too small. The paved commuter lot
> provides public parking for the commuter rail, and presents challenges
> complying with MBTA requirements for appropriate parking capacity at train
> stations. Limited parking correlates with reduced train service. The MBTA
> and its constituency can be expected to protest a reduction in public
> parking at any MBTA station. Building on the paved lot would also eliminate
> the possibility of using the lot for potential commercial activity or a
> potential housing development.  (Additional housing is the top priority
> for the revitalization efforts.)
>
> 3. Any construction for a center at Lincoln Station will require
> public funding for site preparation, parking, and a building, in addition
> to public funding for solving PRD’s facility and office space needs in
> Hartwell Complex.
>
> 4. Locating the COA center at Lincoln Station would require
> duplication of facilities with those used by PRD in the Hartwell Complex,
> adding significantly to the construction costs, and also the maintenance
> and management costs.
>
> 5. Trying to use other locations at Lincoln Station -- above the
> bank, above Donelan’s, other Rural Land Foundation property etc., if
> available, would also reduce the options for future housing.
>
>
>
> *There are many important considerations for locating the Community Center
> at Hartwell:*
>
>
>
> 1. The PRD and COA can co-locate as they need similar types of
> facilities and, most importantly, can share the same spaces.   Both
> provide fitness activities, but largely at different times of the day.   PRD
> and COA provide arts-and-craft activities that can again be located in
> the same space, at different days and times etc.   Use of the same
> facilities will provide significant reduction in construction costs, and
> provide operational efficiency gains.
>
> 2. There are synergies between the School, PRD and COA programs,
> and the Hartwell location that will provide readily accessible
> opportunities for intergenerational activities unhindered by distance and
> transportation logistics of separate locations.
>
> 3. The campus has been studied extensively to ensure that a community
> center could be located on Ballfield Road, and it was determined that with
> proper design, there is sufficient space for parking and circulation.
>
> 4. The campus location is aesthetically more pleasing than the
> commuter lot at Lincoln Station.
>
>
>
> *PRD and COA programming beyond the Hartwell Complex*
>
>
>
> Currently, PRD and COA programs occur at many locations around town,
> other than the Hartwell Complex and both organizations will continue to use
> these locations.   For a full listing please see the Decentralized
> Programming Matrix on the CCBC web site.
>
>
>
> 1. Currently the PRD runs programs at the Lincoln School Reed and
> Smith gyms, the School Auditorium and Learning Commons, and at Bemis Hall,
> Pierce House, the Library, First Parish Church, and Codman Farm, amongst
> other locations; and at town athletic facilities including Codman Pool, the
> sport and tennis courts, playgrounds, athletic fields and parks.
>
>
>
> 2. The COA has programs at the First Parish Church, at Lincoln
> Woods, Hartwell Complex, the 

[LincolnTalk] Weird incident

[Richard Panetta]

Had a young man in a silver Ford Fusion pull into my driveway around 745
got out and jogged up and ran my doorbell then ran back to his car. I came
out and he stated he had just ran out of gas and asked if I had a gas can
for him. I said no he sat in his vehicle for a minute then he left in his
vehicle and went onto rt 2.

Anyone else have this person ask for help? I found  it weird because he did
not go to any other house and ask for a can. He also was not out of gas
since his car still was running and he went down rt 2
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Re: [LincolnTalk] CCBC Values Survey Reminder!

[Richard Panetta]

We also saw how the first school building vote went. So concerns should be
listened to unless we want to waste more money on a proposal that might
have a good chance at failing



On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:47 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> A cautionary note-
> Where there’s smoke, there is fire.
>
> The heated/fiery  debate during a chaotic Spc.TM indicated lots and lots
> of concern(s).
> The vote was a compromise and a way to move forward.
>
> Smoke continues to surface.
>
> It  should not be so readily dismissed.
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2023, at 9:42 AM, John Mendelson 
> wrote:
>
> Does a few people emailing Lincoln Talk really constitute "widespread
> concern"?  The email clearly states that the survey is intended to get
> more feedback from Lincoln residents "as it develops plans for a
> community center."  This does not mean the survey itself is flawed.
>
> The community already voted at the town meeting last November to spend
> $325,000 to  "develop “a range of Community Center design choices and
> budgets, including options not to exceed 75% and 50% of the current project
> estimated cost of $25 million, for the Hartwell Complex, supplemented or
> not with existing available town space.” There will be a vote on the
> preferred option at another STM a year from now, and a funding vote in
> March 2024."  See:
> https://lincolnsquirrel.com/2022/12/voters-ok-community-center-design-funds-after-lengthy-debate/
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:07 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>
>> Krystal - there is pretty widespread concern about this survey. Nowhere
>> on it is there a question about whether the person taking it wants the
>> community center at all. Every question assumes it will be built. The o my
>> place to register dissatisfaction is the blank section at the end for
>> additional comments. Also, we have heard that the CCBC is presuming that if
>> people do not answer the survey that they support the center. This is very
>> far from being the truth. People who don’t fill out the survey may not do
>> so because they are opposed or don’t care, but they certainly should not be
>> assumed to support it.
>>
>> The only way to correct this situation is for the CCBC to send out a
>> second, separate survey that asks people to say, on a scale of 1-10, how
>> much they support the center at all. Or, it could simply be a multiple
>> choice: do you support the center or not or are you neutral? Without this
>> additional data, the first survey must be disregarded.
>>
>>
>> - Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings!
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:02 PM, Krystal Wood <
>> ccbccommunicationscommit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> CCBC Values Survey 
>>
>> REMINDER:
>>
>> Your responses on the Values Survey for the Community Center Building
>> Committee will help the committee to understand the priorities of Lincoln
>> residents as it develops plans for a community center.
>>
>> If you haven’t already completed the survey, please do so by Friday,
>> April 21.
>>
>> You can find the survey here .
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bravo, Lexington!

[Richard Panetta]

Before we make these people out to be saints, the article mentions nothing
of the threat from the AG for non compliance.

That has to be considered as to why the voted as they did


On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 6:11 PM  wrote:

> Nobody enjoys "additional gridlock, noise, and fumes," but there is
> something called the greater good that asks us to think of people who need
> housing in a very tight market near public transportation. Eventually, this
> kind of housing and transportation partnership will reverse or at least
> mitigate the additional gridlock, noise, and fumes if it materializes.
> Bravo, Lexington.
>
> On 04/14/2023 2:36 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>
>
> Hope they enjoy their additional gridlock, noise and fumes :-)
>
> Rob A
> 185 Lincoln Rd.
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM V Saleme  wrote:
>
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> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:53 AM Bob Kupperstein 
> wrote:
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Ticks are here

[Richard Panetta]

Ticks will become active as long as temps are above 32 degrees. So not
surprised with the warmer weather



On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 11:00 AM Laura Crosby 
wrote:

> Good to know. May have to start dog’s tick protection sooner than usual.
> Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 16, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Lindentreefarm Csa 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > I know technically that isn’t the correct phrase
> > However
> > We have discovered embedded ticks last night so take care.
> > Moira
> > Lindentree Farm
> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] A Personal Vision: Distributed spaces for Community Services

[Richard Panetta]

Perhaps we vote to raise property taxes by 4% of homes assessed over 1
million. They should be able to afford it and pay for the center

The precedent has been set and 58% of town voters had no issues with
something similar

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chris Burns 
wrote:

> My wife Pat and I have lived in Lincoln for over 30 years and raised our 4
> children here. I've been a Town Soccer Girls Head Coach, served on the
> Finance Committee of our Church and served on a Town Committee. I'm now
> retired and would like to live out my time in Lincoln. The Town has just
> spent $90 Million on a brand new school. We are in danger of being squeezed
> out of Lincoln because of the high taxes. Please join me in voting NO
> tonight. It's a nice idea, but the wrong time for this project. Thank you.
> Chris Burns
> Tower Roadf town
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 9:36 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
>> We have lived in Lincoln for 29 years and I agree with Lynne. Lincoln has
>> many wonderful spaces which are under utilized.
>>
>> Carol R
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Lynne Smith  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I definitely want our town to provide services to residents in general
>> and seniors in particular. But I am not convinced we need a single building
>> to do so.
>>
>> Over the 19 years I have lived in Lincoln, I have thoroughly enjoyed my
>> use of multiple existing buildings in town:  Town Offices for Green Energy
>> Committee meetings, Bemis Hall for podiatry, Hartwell for Pilates classes,
>> Lincoln Station for Land Trust movies, the Library for club meetings and
>> book groups, the Pierce House for town events, and of course the Donaldson
>> Auditorium for Town Meetings and 8th Grade plays.
>>
>> Arriving at each building, I feel the warmth of the town, paid staff as
>> well other residents. I think I would find it less interesting to arrive at
>> a big new building for everything!  I want to propose my own vision for
>> housing the COA + HS and PRD:
>>
>>- *Town Offices*: There are about 5 small rooms designed for meetings
>>of 3-4 people. These rooms are rarely used and could be made offices for
>>services that need privacy. There is also the large meeting room on the
>>first floor and a smaller conference room upstairs.
>>- *Lincoln Station:* Spaces there seem underutilized. The Town could
>>pay the RLF for use of these spaces and dedicate them to the visiting
>>service providers who arrive from out of town. It supports the RLF and
>>local business, and, as everyone has pointed out, the buildings are
>>convenient for parking and shopping amenities.
>>- *Lincoln Library:*  The Tarbell Room is perfect for gatherings of
>>about 40 people and includes excellent AV amenities. I have never had
>>difficulty scheduling meetings if I reserve in advance.
>>- *Pierce House:* This lovely space is available throughout the
>>winter months for planned events.  The summer months are busy with 
>> weddings
>>though outdoor exercise classes have been wonderful.
>>- *Bemis Hall: * This beloved building needs some investment but it
>>offers a cozy gathering space downstairs and a unique auditorium for 
>> larger
>>groups. With offices relocated to other areas and upgrades to kitchen and
>>bathroom, it could become my new favorite hangout. Parking in front should
>>all be reserved for Handicapped use.
>>- *Hartwell Pods:* We need an overhaul of the Hartwell pods for PRD
>>and COA classes.  The Director of COA + HS might choose to have an office
>>and administrative services here.
>>
>> Scheduling is the key to a distributed set of services.  Modern calendar
>> capabilities make complex scheduling much easier than they once were. If
>> spaces have dedicated uses, then maximizing their efficient use becomes as
>> easy as scheduling schoolroom classes: Monday at 10 for French lessons;
>> Monday at 11 for ukulele, etc.
>>
>> My point is that Lincoln has many wonderful spaces, some historic and in
>> need of TLC, some that are brand new, energy efficient and modern. I love
>> going into all of them and seeing the range of people, views, and distinct
>> personalities of each one. Let’s use what we have, renovate and build what
>> we need. Of course, we need creative, problem-solving architects whose
>> focus is not always on a brand new building.
>>
>> I am 78 years old and look forward to many more years of enjoying this
>> wonderful town as I age in place!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lynne Smith
>>
>>
>>
>> Lynne Smith
>> 5 Tabor Hill Road
>> 
>> Lincoln, MA 01773
>> 
>> cell:  781-258-1175
>> ly...@smith.net
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Re: [LincolnTalk] COMMUNITY CENTER

[Richard Panetta]

Wasn’t in part to the loss of funding from the state.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 11:11 AM Lis Herbert  wrote:

> Sara:
>
> Do not try to contort the meaning of my words and frame me as insensitive.
> Don’t.
>
> I didn’t say that I think $25 million is something to sneeze at. I said it
> will seem like peanuts if we delay, ie when the town is presented with a
> 40M price tag down the road.
>
> The history of these projects has shown that 11M can balloon to 25. The
> first school vote was for roughly half what the new school ultimately cost.
> That’s mostly the result of waiting, and little else.
>
> Lis
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:19 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Calling $25 million “peanuts” is a bit much.
> While it may be “ peanuts” to you, a significant portion of our population
> would find it otherwise.
> And, to date, no one is talking about the Town operating budgets and what
> they will look like, going forward- after we address teachers contract, the
> hiring a new Superintendent, changes in Town Office staffing and the
> impacts of inflation across the board.
>
> I suspect we will see the need for an override to support the staffing
> needs.
>
> That is part of the total tax package that has an impact on individual
> households.
>
> So, what may be “ peanuts” to you, may have serious and crushing impacts
> on others.
>
> We need to be mindful and sensitive to that reality.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Lis Herbert  wrote:
>
> Sara:
> If this process is delayed or stopped entirely, again, the price tag for
> needs may well exceed current “wants” — many of which, judging by the
> survey results the CCBC circulated yesterday, are pragmatic, and reflect a
> community’s needs in 2022, not 2012.
> $25 million will seem like peanuts when it’s time to vote on whatever the
> next iteration of this process is 5 or 10 years down the line. And people
> will surely wonder then, if the vote is for a center in some unknown
> location near Donelan’s, why it isn’t sited at Hartwell?
> And around and around and around we can go, forever.
> Lis
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:51 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> That was then, this is now.
> We have gone through some radical changes in the last several years.
> Our economy is volatile.
> Our work lives have changed, as have commuting patterns.
>
> Should put our fingers in our ears, hands over our eyes and act as if it
> is 2012 all over again ?
>
> We need to be more flexible and creative to meet the needs ( and be
> careful about “ wants”) of the town in 2022 and beyond.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Times have changed, and so must we.
>
> There is an opportunity tonight to be more creative.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:26 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> 
> Oh great, let's wash 10 years of work down the tube so we can start on a
> new project.
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:16 AM  wrote:
>
>> Hello friends, I will *not *be voting in favor of the community center
>> project now… for several reasons explained below.  If these considerations
>> and others you have give you pause, I hope you will join those of us who
>> are interested in further discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>> First, Lincoln’s once in  a generation Comprehensive Plan, approved at
>> Town Meeting ~ten years ago prioritized revitalizing  our South Lincoln
>> commercial center. *Without a vibrant place to gather, we risk becoming
>> an inert, mono-culture suburb,* of increasingly high priced single
>> family homes and residents who can afford them. A vital Mall at our center
>> would be a place to gather, meet with friends, and exchange ideas with
>> others who have diverse backgrounds and views.  Before locating a COA or
>> Community Center building at the school property we should evaluate its
>> potential to jump-start and support commercial and civic growth at the mall
>> and help Lincoln slowly and steadily transition into the dynamic community
>> we can be. It’s time.
>>
>>
>>
>> We haven’t had a thorough review of town goals or prioritized them since
>> the Comprehensive Plan. If we choose to ignore the last Comprehensive Plan,
>> let’s plan again. Let’s agree on priorities.
>>
>>
>>
>> There seems to be an ongoing, important, and complex discussion re the
>> distinctions and requirements of a community center vs. a facility for our
>> Council on Aging program….prudence dictates these  be thoroughly studied
>> and resolved before being considered for funding by town meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> And this project will cause real estate taxes to increase above the rate
>> of inflation, again. It will be particularly troubling now for seniors
>> living on a fixed income
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let’s consider/reconsider these matters fully before we vote for a
>> community center or a COA facility at school property. Let’s get this
>> right. Please consider voting No.
>>

Re: [LincolnTalk] COMMUNITY CENTER

[Richard Panetta]

“We” already delayed this project once because “we” felt it wasn’t the
right time,  to get the school passed. So if the feeling is right now isn’t
the right time for THIS project then it should be delayed

Others who supported the school project are telling us we now can’t delay
but had no issues delaying this project when they wanted an overpriced
school to pass

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:51 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> That was then, this is now.
> We have gone through some radical changes in the last several years.
> Our economy is volatile.
> Our work lives have changed, as have commuting patterns.
>
> Should put our fingers in our ears, hands over our eyes and act as if it
> is 2012 all over again ?
>
> We need to be more flexible and creative to meet the needs ( and be
> careful about “ wants”) of the town in 2022 and beyond.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Times have changed, and so must we.
>
> There is an opportunity tonight to be more creative.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:26 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> 
> Oh great, let's wash 10 years of work down the tube so we can start on a
> new project.
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 8:16 AM  wrote:
>
>> Hello friends, I will *not *be voting in favor of the community center
>> project now… for several reasons explained below.  If these considerations
>> and others you have give you pause, I hope you will join those of us who
>> are interested in further discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>> First, Lincoln’s once in  a generation Comprehensive Plan, approved at
>> Town Meeting ~ten years ago prioritized revitalizing  our South Lincoln
>> commercial center. *Without a vibrant place to gather, we risk becoming
>> an inert, mono-culture suburb,* of increasingly high priced single
>> family homes and residents who can afford them. A vital Mall at our center
>> would be a place to gather, meet with friends, and exchange ideas with
>> others who have diverse backgrounds and views.  Before locating a COA or
>> Community Center building at the school property we should evaluate its
>> potential to jump-start and support commercial and civic growth at the mall
>> and help Lincoln slowly and steadily transition into the dynamic community
>> we can be. It’s time.
>>
>>
>>
>> We haven’t had a thorough review of town goals or prioritized them since
>> the Comprehensive Plan. If we choose to ignore the last Comprehensive Plan,
>> let’s plan again. Let’s agree on priorities.
>>
>>
>>
>> There seems to be an ongoing, important, and complex discussion re the
>> distinctions and requirements of a community center vs. a facility for our
>> Council on Aging program….prudence dictates these  be thoroughly studied
>> and resolved before being considered for funding by town meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> And this project will cause real estate taxes to increase above the rate
>> of inflation, again. It will be particularly troubling now for seniors
>> living on a fixed income
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Let’s consider/reconsider these matters fully before we vote for a
>> community center or a COA facility at school property. Let’s get this
>> right. Please consider voting No.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best, Joe
>>
>> Joe Robbat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Anonymous Mailing

[Richard Panetta]

I haven’t seen this mailing so I can speak to it but if it had decent
points on why we shouldn’t vote for it what does that say about the town
that people were “afraid” to publicly put their name on something that goes
against the norm?

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:54 AM Barbara Low 
wrote:

> I just looked through my email today and found a town-wide mailing against
> the Community Center proposal.
>
> Not a single name appears on this mailing piece. It is hard to take
> seriously those who are either too embarrassed or afraid to identify
> themselves. Who paid for this mailing? Are these Lincoln residents?
>
> Will someone take "credit" now?
>
> Barbara Low
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[LincolnTalk] Electric rates

[Richard Panetta]

Someone posed a question about the GEC contract for rates which is up in
January. Was that ever answered at all?

The GEC sent out multiple emails telling us how great this new service
would be. Now the contract is up and rates will be changing it would be
nice to know what the new rates might be and how the negotiations are
going. If the rates change it would be nice to have time to look it over
and make a decision. As is I would not have known the contract was up had
that poster not mentioned it. As I had said we are getting. Crickets from
the GEC on this as of yet
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center Building Committee - Operating Cost Information

[Richard Panetta]

Will people stop using the excuse that increases in taxes will have minimal
impact on people’s lives. No one ones how the increase will affect each
individual.

Since I started paying taxes my bill has increased over 150% and my monthly
tax bill is over 40% of my monthly mortgage payment. And this increase has
primarily been in the past 5 years

Granted part of that increase is the value of the home has gone up , I
concede that for those who might make that argument but it’s still an
increase in property taxes for minimal services compared to other towns



YOn Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 8:04 AM Krystal Wood <
ccbccommunicationscommit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Community Center Building Committee- November, 2022*
>
> *What will the operating costs of the new Community Center be?*
>
> The short answer is that we can’t know the operating costs of a building
> that we haven’t designed yet. However, we can specify some parameters which
> would help to narrow the possible answers to the question:
>
> The Town already pays the operating costs of a set of buildings that house
> the Council on Aging & Human Services (COA) and the Parks & Recreation
> Department (PRD), specifically Bemis Hall and two of the Hartwell Pods. So
> the appropriate question is not what the operating costs of the Community
> Center will be, but how those costs will be different from the current
> costs.
>
> The Town will continue to pay operating costs for Bemis even if the
> COA, moves out (though it is likely that those costs will diminish as
> the intensity of use diminishes, and the Town’s expenses are likely to be
> increasingly offset by rental income and fees from community
> organizations). But most plans have at least two of the Hartwell Pods
> disappearing --demolished or integrated -- with the construction of the
> Community Center, so the appropriate focus here is on the net change in
> operating costs for the Hartwell Pods versus the Community Center.
>
> The Hartwell Pods are very inefficient buildings, while the Community
> Center would be a very efficient – probably net-zero – building, so there
> would be a large savings in utility costs. That savings might be offset by
> an increase in custodial costs. The Pods currently have part-time custodial
> support (carried on the school budget), while the Community Center would
> probably have a full-time custodian. (Additional personnel expenses, such
> as staffing for a reception desk, are very hard to model at this point,
> because we don’t know if those tasks will be necessary, or if they might be
> performed by volunteers or rotating staff or seniors working for tax
> abatements.) For planning purposes, it is reasonable to expect that any net
> change in operating
> expenses from a new Community Center – a decrease in utility costs offset
> by a possible increase in custodial costs -- would not have a discernible
> impact on property tax bills.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center

[Richard Panetta]

I just hope those in town government/committees  listen to the complaints.
Last time the current Selectman chair held a similar position it was for
the failed school project. Let’s hope lessons were learned



On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 8:15 AM June L Matthews  wrote:

> Excellent statement,  Ken!  I hope that the proposal to change gears and
> consider a community center at Lincoln Station gains some traction. I would
> vote in favor of allocating funds to study this option.  After reading the
> many comments and thinking carefully about the issues, I would not vote in
> favor of allocating funds directed only toward the Hartwell proposals.  I
> can’t remember, ten years ago, what led to the choice of this location.
> For all the reasons expressed by you and a few others, I believe that this
> choice, although well-intentioned, was misguided.  Let’s put the community
> center in the center of our community – accessible by foot or bike by many,
> and for those using their cars, adjacent to other essential services
> (groceries, post office, etc.)
>
>
>
> June Matthews
>
> Greenridge Lane
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hurd
> *Sent:* Friday, November 25, 2022 9:55 PM
> *To:* LincolnTalk 
> *Cc:* Margaret P Flint 
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Community Center
>
>
>
> Hello LincolnTalkers,
>
> I wish to applaud all those who have taken the time to revisit and
> question the financial pros and cons of building a community center at this
> time, and thanks particularly to those who have recently commented on the
> advisability of building it at the Hartwell site.
>
>
>
> I fully support building a new facility, but it has long been my opinion
> that such a major investment by the town should be deployed where it is
> most needed - namely in the Lincoln Station area.  For more than ten years
> since Town Meeting approved the Comprehensive Long Range Plan, in which the
> revitalization of Lincoln Station was overwhelmingly one of the highest
> priorities, the area has lain dormant and in serious need of a catalyst to
> jumpstart its transformation into the compact, vital, walkable village
> center that was a stated goal at the time.  A community center in such a
> location would be the equivalent of an anchor store in a retail setting,
> and by virtue of attracting more people on a regular basis, it would create
> more opportunities for a clustered cross-current of activities spawning
> greater social interaction.
>
>
>
> In my opinion, it would constitute the classic suburban planning error to
> create a new center that stands alone like the suburban mall accessible
> only by car.  In addition, because of school protocols, there would be very
> limited inter-generational co-mingling until after school hours, if at
> all.  And, even if there weren’t a greater  awareness about the effects of
> climate change, wouldn’t it make far more sense to locate a community
> center where there are already other crucial services such as the post
> office, grocery store, cleaners, a cafe and restaurant, etc.?
>
>
>
> If the vote for more funding fails at the Special Town Meeting next
> Wednesday evening, November 30th, I urge residents, the Selects and the
> Planning Board to seriously reconsider Lincoln Station as the location that
> would best serve the interests and greater good of the town going forward.
>
>
>
> Thank you for all those who have weighed in on this discussion.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Ken Hurd
>
>
> Lifting the Human Spirit by Design
> 781-259-3300
> 781-259-8900 cell
> www.keha.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2022, at 1:02 PM, John F. Carr  wrote:
>
>
>
> I just skimmed over the 2015 report which is the foundation for what
> we are discussing.
>
> That report tried to steer people away from the Lincoln Station area.
> One of the six options was to build on the commuter rail parking lot
> and include an underground parking garage (the most expensive kind of
> parking) to make up for lost parking.  Since then COVID killed
> commuter rail.  The parking lot is just another town-owned vacant lot.
>
> When you take the cost of an underground garage out of the picture,
> the commuter rail parking lot becomes the cheapest building site (in
> 2015 dollars, and including the cost of renovating Hartwell facilities
> that don't move).  It has the advantage of being near shops, Codman,
> and Lincoln Woods.  We might end up with a community center rather
> than a place one drives to and drives home from.
>
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 10:16 AM Margaret P Flint
>  wrote:
>
>
> How about this idea for the Community Center: the building at the Mall at
> Lincoln Station now occupied by Something Special and Lincoln Dog Training.
>
> Several things in its favor:
>
>-It is across the street from Ryan Estates Greenridge, and adjacent
> to Lincoln Woods.
>
>-There are two restaurants adjacent which would eliminate the need
> for a food preparation area, a significant cost.
>
>-Also, 

Re: [LincolnTalk] November 14th and 15th: State of the Town Meeting

[Richard Panetta]

why are we not using Donaldson  as the name of the auditorium? I asked
before about Brooks and Smith and was given the lame reason that it was all
one building now. The Donaldson auditorium is the same building space just
remodeled. We honored these people for their contribution to the town and
now disrespect them by not using the proper name.

Once again town government doing whatever they want. This is a theme lately
with them



On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 2:17 PM Jennifer Glass ovia Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> A reminder to set aside the evenings of November 14th and 15th for our
> virtual State of the Town Meetinghrm . Each evening will begin at 7:00pm
> and run to approximately 9:30pm. You need to register for each night, and
> the links are below.
>
> *The theme for State of the Town is **“**What should Lincoln be like in
> 2050?**”*
> *Please read the 1971 **“Letter to our Grandchildren**”** and send us
> your ideas!*
> *Go to **https://forms.gle/JMVHhK2QocUF8Zom8*
> *. *
> *Deadline is Monday, November 7th (giving everyone a bit more time!)**. *
>
>
>- *Monday, November 14th* @ 7:00pm:  Night 1 of State of the Town
>Meeting (Zoom event)
>   - Focus: Community Center Building Committee; Council on Aging &
>   Human Service; Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, & Anti-Racism (IDEA) 
> Committee
>   - Register at
>   
> https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZcpduiorT0oG9GdnaMY_5AMocyCkOTQG_k5
>
>- *Tuesday, November 15th* @ 7:00pm:  Night 2 of State of the Town
>Meeting (Zoom event)
>   - Focus: Planning Board; Conservation, Rural Land
>   Foundation/Lincoln Land Conservation Trust; Green Energy/Climate Action;
>   Bicycle & Pedestrian Advisory Committee
>   - Register at
>   
> https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYrcOGhrj4qEt1tt5MJp07ajcblANsCRV-f
>   
> 
>
>
>
> Other key Fall dates:
>
>
>- *Friday, October 28th* @ 1:30pm:  Lincoln School Ribbon Cutting
>Ceremony, school tours, and 1994 Time Capsule display! To attend in person,
>send an email to apear...@lincnet.org.  The ceremony will also
>be live-streamed at www.lincnet.org/ribboncutting.
>- *Saturday, October 29th* from 9:00am - 11:00am:  Lincoln School open
>house and 1994 Time Capsule display! (*No need to RSVP in advance)*
>- *Wednesday, November 30th @ 7:30pm:  *Special Town Meeting (STM) to
>vote on funding for the next steps in planning a Community Center. The STM
>will be *in person* in the Lincoln School Auditorium.
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> *—* Jennifer
> Click to Download
> 
> 2022 10 3 Select Board News .pdf
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Original Intent

[Richard Panetta]

Automatic weapons are basically banned so that would be very far fetched.
They cost thousands, you need a federal stamp to own one.

But yes according to Margit and the rules of LT this type of discussion
does not belong here. She has made this very clear several times

And to add to that  this type of discussion would not be welcome on the FB
discussion group either. Unless it specifically dealt with Lincoln schools.



On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 7:29 PM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Unless of course an unstable gunman with a fully automatic military
> grade assault rifle comes to our town, to our school…
>
> But that would never ever happen, right?
>
> Not in the ivory tower of Lincoln or the lush suburbs of Newtown, CT.
>
> It would NEVER happen here….
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 6:59 PM, Seth Rosen 
> wrote:
>
> It seems to me this string is a national political debate and not a
> Lincoln-specific topic.
>
> A town message forum focused on hyper-local issues does not seem like the
> right place for this type of back and forth.
>
> Hopefully this thread can end and this discussion can be shifted
> elsewhere.  Plenty of places for this, but this doesn’t seem like the right
> one to me…
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Excuse me-hope and prayers have gotten us nowhere!
> The bloodshed continues.
>
> Of course we are distraught and pray that we can move BEYOND hope and
> prayers to action that might, just might have a chance of stopping the
> bloodshed.
>
> I can balance sorrow and rage at the same time.
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 6:29 PM, john gregg  wrote:
>
>
> On a day of mourning instead of praising the people who saved lives like
> the border patrol officer who killed the shooter, or security officer on
> the grounds who also stopped more deaths and praying (we need more praying
> and faith for good in this world) for those who lost family members,
> children, to the selfish act of one person it has become an attack on those
> with whom this community does not like or even heaven forbid disagree with.
>
> It has also become a crisis of which people can push their agenda, that is
> this community, not pray for the lives lost and have silence to remember
> that any violence should never be tolerated. Nope, as Rahm Emmanuel
> famously was quoted.“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.
> And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you
> could not do before.”
> ― Rahm Emanuel
>
> My thoughts go to the survivors and families who lost people they loved to
> early and that the good people in this country can come together and help
> to find solutions to the many issues we have in front of us regarding
> violence and lives lost on a daily basis. This should be a case in point to
> bring a people together to have civil conversations and not cast stones
> from Ivory Towers.
>
> John Gregg
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 04:41:42 PM EDT, Sara Mattes <
> samat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> GOP response?
> Arm all teachers.
>
> NRA?
> Act of lone madman.
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Linda McMillan 
> wrote:
>
> I totally agree. The Republican Senators should be ashamed. They have been
> stonewalling gun reform legislation because they are beholden to the gun
> lobby. Power and money is what they are about. This week, the Governor of
> Texas (Greg Abbot), Ted Cruz, and Trump will be speaking at the National
> Rifle Association annual conference. How do they get up in the morning and
> face their conscience.  Will they edit their planned remarks I wonder?
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 11:02 AM, dilla tingley 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, thankyou Sarah
> Unfortunately it will be even harder to pass gun legislation today now
> that the far right feels they need them to overthrow our
> government.  .  Dilla
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:43 PM sarah cannon holden <
> sarahcannonhol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good Evening,
>
> I just have to speak out having just heard the latest news from Texas.
> The guns in this country have to go.  The framers of the Constitution would
> be horrified if they saw what is happening in this country with gun
> violence.  When the Constitution was written men had muskets that take time
> to reload.  Now everyone can have assault rifles and handguns.  What say
> you Justices of the Supreme Court?  What say you original intent
> proponents?  The 2nd Amendment does not say that eveyone can have the guns
> available today that are bought to kill innocent people.  No it says "A *well
> regulated * militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
> right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  We
> have gone so far beyond that original intent that we are all complicit at
> some level for the ongoing violence 

Re: [LincolnTalk] From the Moderators - ENOUGH!

[Richard Panetta]

People are free to post anything related to Lincoln issues on there
including posts about a lost cat as well.

I will say I would frown upon national issues as seen here it rarely leads
to civil and positive discourse


https://www.facebook.com/groups/1039171186953995/?exp=4a9f


On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 12:40 PM John and Margit Griffith <
johnandmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear LincolnTalk Neighbors,
>
> Let us remember that we are neighbors.  Let us remember to be neighborly.
>
> And let me tell you the moderator's motivation for LincolnTalk - which
> will help you understand our goals and perspectives and which may inform
> your actions moving forward.
>
> Imagine a public bulletin board.  Maybe you see this outside Town Office,
> maybe you see this down outside Donelan's.  You get the idea... it's a
> community bulletin board where people can post things for sale, lost items,
> services offered, etc.
>
> Now picture a public square where people can bring boxes (ie soapboxes) to
> stand on.  Those within hearing will hear, those who are interested will
> stop, those with opposing views can offer responses.
>
> *LINCOLNTALK IS INTENDED AS A COMMUNITY BULLETIN BOARD.  That was and is
> our motivation.  We tolerate soapbox moments as a community service.  This
> continues to be violated...*
>
> Back and forth. Back and forth. This side, that side.  You haven't heard
> my voice yet.  I need to have the last word.  ENOUGH!  We are exhausted
> having to remind people of this every single time a new topic or discussion
> comes up.
>
> Richard Pannetta has kindly offered a platform for continued and in depth
> political discourse. HIs motivation is soapbox... do not post your lost cat
> there (unless your cat votes differently than you and you suspect that's
> why it ran away).  Richard, will you please post that link again?
>
> Specifically to this moment... STOP POSTING ABOUT BEMIS.  Right now.
> Enough is enough.  If there are continued posts, we will put everyone on
> moderation.  When the moderators have a free moment during the day, that's
> when posts will be cleared - we have extremely busy lives and will take
> care of this when we can.
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bemis Meeting Election Integrity Analysis and Discussion

[Richard Panetta]

This is a private forum and rules need to be followed.

I take this remark as sarcastic as I’m sure most people know the rules here



On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 11:17 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel 
wrote:

> But what about Nicholas’s right to free speech??
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>
> On Friday, May 6, 2022, 11:14 AM, Richard Panetta <
> richardpane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please be respectful of others opinions , calling people delusional is not
> civil and should be against forum rules
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 11:06 AM Nicholas Ribush 
> wrote:
>
> The 2020 election was the most secure in US history.
> <https://www.vox.com/2020/11/13/21563825/2020-elections-most-secure-dhs-cisa-krebs>
>
> Keshel and his supporters are delusional.
> <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/10/fact-check-8-million-excess-biden-votes-werent-counted-2020/5512962001/>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:58 AM Stephanie Smoot 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I enjoyed last nights  meeting and feel encouraged to speak out against
> all the negative emails I had been receiving.   I found the perspectives
> refreshing on the issue of election integrity, a subject that is causing
> controversy in our country.  I left with the takeaway that fair
> elections, and the perception that the election process is fair, is
> something we should all be concerned about.
>
>
> The event was well-attended.   Trends in voting data and on how to improve
> voting integrity in the future was presented intelligently.  Anyone who was
> not completely polemicized, could also have attended and found it thought
> provoking, and not scary.  I even got to meet the candidate for congress in
> district 5 (thats our district), Caroline Colarusso .
>
>
>
> I don’t know who attended from Lincoln since I don’t know many people here.
> Some of the data was from Rhode Island examples, that might be why some RI
> people attended. I’m glad my family gave me time from my other duties to
> step out and attend.
>
>
> Stephanie Smoot
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bemis Meeting Election Integrity Analysis and Discussion

[Richard Panetta]

Please be respectful of others opinions , calling people delusional is not
civil and should be against forum rules



On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 11:06 AM Nicholas Ribush 
wrote:

> The 2020 election was the most secure in US history.
> 
>
> Keshel and his supporters are delusional.
> 
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:58 AM Stephanie Smoot 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I enjoyed last nights  meeting and feel encouraged to speak out against
>> all the negative emails I had been receiving.   I found the perspectives
>> refreshing on the issue of election integrity, a subject that is causing
>> controversy in our country.  I left with the takeaway that fair
>> elections, and the perception that the election process is fair, is
>> something we should all be concerned about.
>>
>>
>> The event was well-attended.   Trends in voting data and on how to
>> improve voting integrity in the future was presented intelligently.  Anyone
>> who was not completely polemicized, could also have attended and found it
>> thought provoking, and not scary.  I even got to meet the candidate for
>> congress in district 5 (thats our district), Caroline Colarusso .
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t know who attended from Lincoln since I don’t know many people
>> here.  Some of the data was from Rhode Island examples, that might be
>> why some RI people attended. I’m glad my family gave me time from my
>> other duties to step out and attend.
>>
>>
>> Stephanie Smoot
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avg.com
>> 
>>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bemis Lecture

[Richard Panetta]

Is this really our concern and something that needs to be discussed here.

I think we have gone as far as needed here with this topic.



On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:44 PM Anne Sobol  wrote:

> Has the First Parish Church okayed the use of parking for this event?  See
> the regulations.  What is the amount of the security deposit and has it
> been paid?
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:37 PM john gregg via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Last time I checked the elections are over, the Mid-Terms are coming in
>> November so who really cares what others think. As I have stated Hillary
>> Clinton is on record thinking the 2016 election was "illegitimate", either
>> we consider both lies are neither lies. I am on the side that both were
>> sore losers and both lost their respectful elections in a legitimate
>> fashion by voters voting for their candidates and one declared the POTUS.
>>
>> I am not sure what to make of the mask comments but every person has the
>> right to choose on their own whether they should wear a mask at any time,
>> and that right is a personal choice and should be and no one should ever be
>> shamed either way.
>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 07:56:46 PM EDT, Kathy Madison via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I’ve heard from at least one person who plans to attend and respond …
>> that’s probably the best thing anyone can do.
>> We should be aware that this may be a platform for promoting The Big Lie
>> Also, I think it would be important for everyone to be masked — but I
>> don’t know what Bemis regulations are...
>>
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[LincolnTalk] Flag disposal

[Richard Panetta]

Found a US flag at the bottom of a garbage can at the cemetery this
morning. Figured I would remind people of the respectful and proper ways of
disposing of them.

https://nationalflagfoundation.org/etiquette/when-to-dispose-of-the-flag/
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Re: [LincolnTalk] BPAC update to SB

[Richard Panetta]

I’m curious as to how much money the town has spent on bike paths over the
years that we now want to ignore  are there

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 8:32 PM Bob Wolf  wrote:

> Folks
> Thanks again for the opportunity to update you on BPAC's work.
>
> Here is a link to the slides we presented.
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1dw4K3HJHtI-P4SgZe-MHpercFWKVMhkcdJQedplqDyg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I’ve attached a pdf file as well.
>
>
> We look forward to working with you to advance this plan over the next
> year.  And let us know if there is anything you want to dig in on at any
> time.
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Where Does Your Town Rank? The Richest, Poorest Places In Massachusetts

[Richard Panetta]

Do you consider 117 a highway?

And Sudbury did this so they wouldn’t have the development in their
historic center so they swapped land

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:18 PM Stephanie Smoot 
wrote:

> Such a deliciously horrible cheap package typical of Pulte development.
> Yes,there are undisclosed HOA fees.  No you cannot get anywhere without a
> car unless you can walk along a highway with no shoulders. People WILL make
> this home, but  Im really surprised Sudbury approved this.  Perhaps some
> suprises await us.
> Regards,
> *Stephanie Smoot*
>
> 857 368-9175  work
> 781 941-6842  personal cell
> *617 595-5217 *work cell
> 126 Chestnut Circle
> 
> Lincoln, MA 01773
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 4:20 PM Ted Chan  wrote:
>
>> Here's the starting pricing at the monstrosity Sudbury built abutting
>> Lincoln/Concord.
>>
>>
>> https://www.pulte.com/homes/massachusetts/greater-boston-area/sudbury/preston-at-cold-brook-crossing-210742
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 4:01 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed!
>>>
>>> The disappearing middle class in Lincoln (there still is one, but dying
>>> off)  is what we need to focus on…a point I have been making (publicly) for
>>> some time.
>>> We can do this, to a degree, with a change in how we calculate property
>>> tax.
>>> But, that is only one mechanism, and needs to be coupled with others.
>>> We need to get creative, and, so far, we have shied away from potential
>>> tools that will require much work to develop..
>>>
>>> I would argue that adding 200-500 condos in S.Lincoln/Lincoln Station
>>> will not address this.
>>> It will offer another type of housing, but not what most middle class
>>> families seek.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Bob Kupperstein  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a case where median income gives a very misleading picture.
>>> Our median is the result of a very distorted income distribution - simply
>>> put, there is virtually no middle-class in Lincoln.
>>>
>>> Look at the town-by-town section in the Globe's reporting on the data:
>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/21/metro/charts-whats-wealthiest-town-massachusetts-see-census-data-income-poverty/
>>>  (Lincoln is on page 4) - our numbers are very skewed (to the high-income
>>> end).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:35 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>>
 This is telling and offers some data points.
 Linocln is not in the top 25, in spite of the fact that there are over
 130 folks who make over $1 million/yer.

 If you look at our state certified affordable housing, that makes up
 14%.
 1/3 of our homes are condo, townhouses or apartments.
 1/3 of us are over 60.

 While we are not racially diverse, our housing stock and other measures
 indicate a degree of diversity that might surprise some…and should factor
 in as we plan, going forward.

 Sara




 The median household income of $84,385 made Massachusetts the
 third-richest state in the nation, according to new Census data.


 https://patch.com/massachusetts/across-ma/these-are-richest-poorest-towns-massachusetts?utm_source=shared-email_medium=email_campaign=share

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[LincolnTalk] Cemetery clean up?

[Richard Panetta]

Is anyone aware of the town removing items from grave sites this week?
There were 2 wreaths and a potted plant that went missing at one site.

I do see new American flags were placed on sites this week. But I wouldn’t
think that would be related.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?

[Richard Panetta]

You might be missing my point. I am not saying the town or anyone SHOULD
post them here but so many other town officials post things here (other
than official notices) that it would have been nice to get the results on
here as well.

Yes, you can get all this information on town sites but the update there is
usually slow and takes several days. By then you know pretty much know who
won


On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 9:47 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

>
> Municipal orgs can only post official notices of meetings.
> The town website offers more.
> That is where you should go, not rely on LT for that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 9, 2022, at 9:08 AM, Richard Panetta 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Correct they do not. But it’s called consistency. They unofficially post a
> lot of official town news here. Selectman. School committee, planning
> board,  GEC all post notifications here. So as a service it would be nice
> if they could also post results. They are busy and it’s a long day on
> Election Day so I wouldn’t expect it to be that night. But next morning
> would have been nice (if it was not sent)
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 9:03 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> the town has no obligation to report on a private platform-LincolnTalk.
>> in fact, no one has an obligation to post here.
>> it is a service offered by volunteers who try to keep it sane and sober
>> and available to all.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Richard Panetta 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If they were i missed it, obviously.
>>
>> I was keeping an eye out though . Did anyone else remember seeing the
>> results here?
>>
>> The squirrel is another media and some don’t subscribe to that.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:51 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> Richard-I believe they were.
>>> At least I saw them on LT, as an informal report, that night.
>>> Also, Alice posted them via The Squirrel.
>>>
>>> You must have just missed it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Richard Panetta 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well we had plenty of people telling us who to vote for and where on
>>> here. Would be nice if someone posted the results as well once it was final
>>>
>>> It took a few days for that site to update
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:44 AM Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.lincolntown.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=972
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:14 AM Paula Cobb  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Didn’t see an answer to this question — where are the recent election
>>>>> results posted, exactly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Town election results page only has 2021 info on it, so I’m stumped.
>>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/501/Election-Result-History
>>>>>
>>>>> -p
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Joanna
>>>>> Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2022 8:13 PM
>>>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk
>>>>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Any word on election results?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where & when will they be posted?
>>>>>
>>>>> Joanna Schmergel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?

[Richard Panetta]

The town website also has this information going back to 2006

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 9:24 AM Alice Waugh  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> You can see election and Town Meeting coverage on the Lincoln Squirrel
> (see links below) — not just for this year, but for any election or Town
> Meeting since 2013. And if you're not already a subscriber, sign up before
> April 29 and get a discount -- just $48 a year or $4.25 a month (new
> subscribers only). When you check out, use the code *LSQ2022* to apply
> your discount. If you have any questions, feel free to mail or call me any
> time -- I'm here to help!
>
> Alice Waugh
>
> Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel <https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com> and The
> Lincoln Chipmunk <http://chipmunk.lincolnsquirrel.com>
>
> lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com
>
> 617-710-5542 (mobile)
>
>- Flint tops voting for Planning Board; Hutchinson, Rajdev elected
>
> <https://lincolnsquirrel.com/blog/2022/03/29/flint-tops-voting-for-planning-board-hutchinson-rajdev-elected/>
> (March 29)
>- Town Meeting 2022 roundup
><https://lincolnsquirrel.com/blog/2022/03/29/town-meeting-2022-roundup/>
> (March 29)
>- Town to move ahead on community center, which could open in 2026
>
> <https://lincolnsquirrel.com/blog/2022/03/27/town-to-move-ahead-on-community-center-which-could-open-in-2026/>
> (March 27)
>- *Fossil fuel measure stirs debate at Town Meeting*
>
> <https://lincolnsquirrel.com/blog/2022/03/27/fossil-fuel-measure-stirs-debate-at-town-meeting/>
> (March 27)
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 9:03 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> the town has no obligation to report on a private platform-LincolnTalk.
>> in fact, no one has an obligation to post here.
>> it is a service offered by volunteers who try to keep it sane and sober
>> and available to all.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Richard Panetta 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If they were i missed it, obviously.
>>
>> I was keeping an eye out though . Did anyone else remember seeing the
>> results here?
>>
>> The squirrel is another media and some don’t subscribe to that.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:51 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> Richard-I believe they were.
>>> At least I saw them on LT, as an informal report, that night.
>>> Also, Alice posted them via The Squirrel.
>>>
>>> You must have just missed it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Richard Panetta 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well we had plenty of people telling us who to vote for and where on
>>> here. Would be nice if someone posted the results as well once it was final
>>>
>>> It took a few days for that site to update
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:44 AM Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.lincolntown.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=972
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:14 AM Paula Cobb  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Didn’t see an answer to this question — where are the recent election
>>>>> results posted, exactly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Town election results page only has 2021 info on it, so I’m stumped.
>>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/501/Election-Result-History
>>>>>
>>>>> -p
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Joanna
>>>>> Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2022 8:13 PM
>>>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk
>>>>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Any word on election results?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where & when will they be posted?
>>>>>
>>>>> Joanna Schmergel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?

[Richard Panetta]

Correct they do not. But it’s called consistency. They unofficially post a
lot of official town news here. Selectman. School committee, planning
board,  GEC all post notifications here. So as a service it would be nice
if they could also post results. They are busy and it’s a long day on
Election Day so I wouldn’t expect it to be that night. But next morning
would have been nice (if it was not sent)

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 9:03 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> the town has no obligation to report on a private platform-LincolnTalk.
> in fact, no one has an obligation to post here.
> it is a service offered by volunteers who try to keep it sane and sober
> and available to all.
>
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:59 AM, Richard Panetta 
> wrote:
>
> If they were i missed it, obviously.
>
> I was keeping an eye out though . Did anyone else remember seeing the
> results here?
>
> The squirrel is another media and some don’t subscribe to that.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:51 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> Richard-I believe they were.
>> At least I saw them on LT, as an informal report, that night.
>> Also, Alice posted them via The Squirrel.
>>
>> You must have just missed it.
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Richard Panetta 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well we had plenty of people telling us who to vote for and where on
>> here. Would be nice if someone posted the results as well once it was final
>>
>> It took a few days for that site to update
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:44 AM Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.lincolntown.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=972
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:14 AM Paula Cobb  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Didn’t see an answer to this question — where are the recent election
>>>> results posted, exactly?
>>>>
>>>> Town election results page only has 2021 info on it, so I’m stumped.
>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/501/Election-Result-History
>>>>
>>>> -p
>>>>
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>>>> Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2022 8:13 PM
>>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk
>>>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Any word on election results?
>>>>
>>>> Where & when will they be posted?
>>>>
>>>> Joanna Schmergel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?

[Richard Panetta]

If they were i missed it, obviously.

I was keeping an eye out though . Did anyone else remember seeing the
results here?

The squirrel is another media and some don’t subscribe to that.


On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:51 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Richard-I believe they were.
> At least I saw them on LT, as an informal report, that night.
> Also, Alice posted them via The Squirrel.
>
> You must have just missed it.
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Richard Panetta 
> wrote:
>
> Well we had plenty of people telling us who to vote for and where on here.
> Would be nice if someone posted the results as well once it was final
>
> It took a few days for that site to update
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:44 AM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.lincolntown.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=972
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:14 AM Paula Cobb  wrote:
>>
>>> Didn’t see an answer to this question — where are the recent election
>>> results posted, exactly?
>>>
>>> Town election results page only has 2021 info on it, so I’m stumped.
>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/501/Election-Result-History
>>>
>>> -p
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Joanna
>>> Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2022 8:13 PM
>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk
>>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Any word on election results?
>>>
>>> Where & when will they be posted?
>>>
>>> Joanna Schmergel
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS>
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?

[Richard Panetta]

Well we had plenty of people telling us who to vote for and where on here.
Would be nice if someone posted the results as well once it was final

It took a few days for that site to update



On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 8:44 AM Margaret Olson  wrote:

> http://www.lincolntown.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=972
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 6:14 AM Paula Cobb  wrote:
>
>> Didn’t see an answer to this question — where are the recent election
>> results posted, exactly?
>>
>> Town election results page only has 2021 info on it, so I’m stumped.
>> https://www.lincolntown.org/501/Election-Result-History
>>
>> -p
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Joanna
>> Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2022 8:13 PM
>> *To:* Lincoln Talk
>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Any word on election results?
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Any word on election results?
>>
>> Where & when will they be posted?
>>
>> Joanna Schmergel
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Consequences of wind energy

[Richard Panetta]

Did you read the article Bob? If so did you miss the part where the company
was negligent in where they were places in windmills and into red warnings

One negligent act doesn’t excuse another

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:40 PM Bob Kupperstein  wrote:

> That is very tragic, yet how does that compare to the wildlife killed by
> all the oil spills, 'natural' gas leaks/fires, coal ash pit river fouling,
> release of nuclear radiation, etc., etc.?
>
> Yes, if you cherry-pick news reports on renewable energy, you can find
> some regrettable things.  Yet, they will never approach a miniscule
> percentage of the environmental disasters of the nuclear and extraction
> fuel industries.
>
> If anything, this report highlights the stark differences between the
> environmental effects between renewable energy sources and fossil-fuel
> sources.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 2:22 PM Richard Panetta 
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.npr.org/2022/04/06/1091250692/esi-energy-bald-eagles
>>
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[LincolnTalk] Consequences of wind energy

[Richard Panetta]

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/06/1091250692/esi-energy-bald-eagles
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[LincolnTalk] Facebook Lincoln discussion group

[Richard Panetta]

Due to events of the past week I have created a Facebook discussion group
to allow more robust discussions . I do not have the knowledge to create
another listserv so I thought this would be the quickest and easiest way to
get it out

For those who are on Facebook the group is private and open to all Lincoln
residents and employees. No one will be able to see your profile unless you
are friends with them. They will only be able to see posts you submit to
the group.

The link is below. Hopefully this will solve some of the frustration and
issues that were addressed here. I do know some are not on FB and would
rather stay here for this content. Perhaps the two sites will complement
each other.

Anyways it’s one effort to find a happy medium

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1039171186953995/
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Please reconsider

[Richard Panetta]

To be fair to the mods, they did a site upgrade last year and every one was
put on moderation due to the issue. They then needed to manually take every
one off one by one.

Perhaps this is what happened to some of you.

On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 6:16 AM Danielle Pierce 
wrote:

> I too am on moderation.  Apparently my plumber recommendations are
> offensive.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 31, 2022, at 11:43 PM, melinda bruno-smith <
> melindabr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Yes, Ralph and I agree, Dennis has fall victim to our “cancel culture.”
> Sad indeed.
> Melinda & Ralph
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Melinda Bruno-Smith
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2022, at 5:28 PM, Pat Gray  wrote:
>
>  I too am concerned about cutting off thoughtful conversations about
> topics of interest. Those who spent time sharing with us their information
> and ideas do us a service. I learn new things and sometimes even modify my
> position:)
> Diversity and inclusion isn’t just about race or class it is also being
> open to hearing and appreciating different perspectives and ideas. And then
> digging deeper to understand why people hold different point of view.
>
> Quite honestly it’s very difficult to find situations where people can
> share different perspectives without being shunned. This intolerance of the
> ‘other' is a key factor in creating the dangerous divide in our country.
>
> It would be great if instead of following lock step what others are doing,
> shutting down anyone who disagrees with them, we instead model and openness
> and interest in having robust debates and conversations. Our youth need
> better adult role models showing them how to deal with, and benefit from,
> having an openness to hearing different perspectives.
>
> Pat Gray
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Daniela Caride 
> wrote:
>
> Hear hear!! I learn a lot from Dennis. And even though I seldom agree with
> what he says, I appreciate his opinion. I would like to see everyone have a
> chance to politely speak here.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 6:44 PM Seth Rosen  wrote:
>
>> I personally find Dennis’ contributions to be thoughtful, articulate,
>> well-supported and respectful.  He spends a great deal of time on them,
>> which I respect and appreciate.  I enjoy reading his notes, and if I don’t
>> wish to, I also simply move along.
>>
>> His views are sometimes unpopular, but in many “conversations” he’s the
>> only person pushing a counter-narrative. And a lot of times he’s correct.
>>
>> Candidly I’ve noticed this trend myself — those with a more conservative
>> or fundamentally different view simply seem to disengage from this forum.
>> In a town that purports to celebrate and cultivate diversity, it feels to
>> me that we should be welcoming Dennis’ contributions.
>>
>> I hope he’ll reconsider his participation
>>
>> Seth Rosen
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2022, at 6:27 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Very well stated Richard. A slippery slope has been woven.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 5:52 PM Richard Panetta 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dennis,
>>>
>>> When I saw this email I was miffed as to why you would have been put on
>>> moderation as your posted are always well thought out,  thorough (sometimes
>>> too thorough), always given links to your sources. I and many others have
>>> found you comments informative. There was maybe one instance when you and
>>> another former Selectman went back and forth similar to this yet neither of
>>> you were put on moderation
>>>
>>> There were many responses stating they enjoyed the back and forth.
>>> Neither one of you were rude or disrespectful of each other so who knows.
>>>
>>> It would be a shame to lose your posts on subjects and the time and care
>>> you put into topics you comment on. I hope you take some time and decide to
>>> comeback and offer your thoughts to important topics.
>>>
>>>
>>> I too have noticed that an opposing view gets treated differently so I
>>> can not blame you for feeling frustrated. Perhaps some management here have
>>> gone “nose deaf” to their friends and opinions they agree with. But as you
>>> said it is their sandbox and they may do as they wish. Hopefully you won’t
>>> mind jumping back in said sandbox and getting a little dirty again
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 1:20 PM Dennis Liu 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Howdy, folks – this

[LincolnTalk] Please reconsider

[Richard Panetta]

Dennis,

When I saw this email I was miffed as to why you would have been put on
moderation as your posted are always well thought out,  thorough (sometimes
too thorough), always given links to your sources. I and many others have
found you comments informative. There was maybe one instance when you and
another former Selectman went back and forth similar to this yet neither of
you were put on moderation

There were many responses stating they enjoyed the back and forth. Neither
one of you were rude or disrespectful of each other so who knows.

It would be a shame to lose your posts on subjects and the time and care
you put into topics you comment on. I hope you take some time and decide to
comeback and offer your thoughts to important topics.


I too have noticed that an opposing view gets treated differently so I can
not blame you for feeling frustrated. Perhaps some management here have
gone “nose deaf” to their friends and opinions they agree with. But as you
said it is their sandbox and they may do as they wish. Hopefully you won’t
mind jumping back in said sandbox and getting a little dirty again

Best wishes

Rich


On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 1:20 PM Dennis Liu  wrote:

> Howdy, folks – this email is going out to Lincolntalk, but also to some
> local friends (and the Lincolntalk moderators: Margit, Jena and Jonathan)
> directly, since I have been put into the moderation queue so I am unsure if
> anyone will see this.
>
>
>
> With the back-and-forth with Paul Shorb regarding the proposed new laws
> affecting construction in Lincoln and climate change, I seem to have
> violated one or more tenets of the Lincoln Talk rules and policies (
> https://www.lincolntalk.org/rules-and-policies).
>
>
>
> I made my last post on the topic last night, only to discover that I had
> been put into moderation without warning.  (N.b., since I replied to Paul
> directly, and he replied to the List this morning, you may have seen
> indirectly my last post, since the moderators apparently only put me on
> moderation and not him; if any of you is curious about how I left it, you
> can read Paul’s message, or feel free to reach out to me and I will forward
> it privately; Paul’s message in the archive is here:
> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/2022-March/043133.html)
>
>
>
> For the avoidance of doubt:  since, of course, Lincoln Talk is a private
> (and free/not-for-profit) operation kindly maintained and paid for by the
> moderators, they are entirely free to decide what and who gets circulated.
> That’s their call, and I respect that.  I suspect that my postings have
> triggered a reaction among one or more folks (or directly among one or more
> of the moderators), and I have been found in breach of those rules and
> policies.
>
>
>
> Fair enough!  I know that I am in the minority (or very small) minority on
> a lot of these topics in Lincoln – that’s fine, I’ve been in the minority
> pretty much my entire life living in New England, so I’m used to it, lol.
> I do hope, however, that my writings have not been construed as personal
> attacks, and instead considered an attempt to shed light and bring a
> non-conforming, contrarian view to this town.
>
>
>
> But since this is not the first time, I shall be refraining from making
> any more posts to Lincoln Talk.  I don’t wish to waste my time writing
> stuff up, and I certainly do not wish to cause offense among my neighbors.
> I’m writing this note just so you all will know why you wouldn’t have heard
> from me in the future.
>
>
>
> Onwards!
>
>
>
> Vty,
>
>
>
> --Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Select Board Results

[Richard Panetta]

I commend everyone who ran. This town is not the best when it comes to
listening to differing opinions. It takes courage to put yourself out there
and try to make a difference.

I hope we continue to have this many contested races in the future

And congratulations to those who won their races as well.



On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 7:09 AM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> I just wanted to send a quick note and congratulate Jim on his victory.  I
> wish Jim and the rest of the Select Board nothing but the best during the
> next term and look forward to my continued work on the school committee.
>
> I am proud of the campaign me and my team ran and plan to continue the
> fight for affordable housing, economic development and responsible budgets.
>
>
> Thanks again to everyone!
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
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[LincolnTalk] Fossil Fuels

[Richard Panetta]

Interesting read I came across. I  wonder how far this has come since 2020

https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2020/09/11/tech-breakthroughs-on-the-horizon-for-natural-gas-and-oil
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Re: [LincolnTalk] I'm just gobsmacked | RE: Town meeting Article 40/31

[Richard Panetta]

t;> (or
>>below!!!) living.  The middle-class is explosively growing.  What drives
>>all of that?  Affordable, available energy.  Countless families have
>>transitioned out of subsistence farming, with heating and cooking using
>>wood or dung and resulting in terrible casualties from lung illnesses,
>>thanks to the availability of gas-powered machinery and available electric
>>grids.
>>
>>The sheer . . . well, I won’t label it, but I will say that it
>>astonishes me what folks living in the 1% in affluent American suburbs 
>> (and
>>make no mistakes, if you’re a working adult in Lincoln, you’re almost
>>certainly in the global 1%; you just need $34k in annual income) will make
>>arguments on  behalf of the ”oppressed”, and make claims of “racial
>>justice”, *WHILE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THAT WHICH HELPED PROPEL MORE
>>THAN A BILLION PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY*:  affordable energy powered by,
>>yes, fossil fuels.
>>
>>The primary reason why making these little symbolic, virtue-signaling
>>gestures in rich American suburbs will have zero measurable impact on
>>climate gas emissions is because America got rich by burning lots of coal
>>and oil; now China and India are doing the same thing, lifting billions of
>>poverty, thanks to burning lots of coal and oil.  Who the heck are we to
>>tell China and India, “hey, you guys missed the boat, you need to stop
>>producing that critically needed energy, and immiserate your people!”
>>
>>Want **real** justice for the poor and oppressed around the globe?
>>Stand by and let them climb out of poverty in the same way America did,
>>starting a century ago, and focus instead on transitioning **mass**
>>energy production to natural gas and nuclear, keep working on renewable
>>energy, and **let human ingenuity research ways of mitigating the
>>effects of climate change and even turning it back through terraforming
>>measures.**
>>
>>https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/02/world/global-poverty-united-nations.html#:~:text=By%202015%2C%20the%20share%20of,extreme%20poverty%2C%20surpassing%20the%20goal
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m just . . . at a loss for more words.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Paul
>> Shorb
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 27, 2022 2:50 PM
>> *To:*  
>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Town meeting Article 40/31
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to respond to some recent posts here that seem to critique a
>> move towards fossil-fuel-free homes as an expensive luxury for high-minded
>> hypocrites who blissfully ignore adverse cost impacts on those economically
>> less well-off. Here are some relevant facts that may be of interest to LT
>> readers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Requiring new homes to be all-electric will not make them more expensive
>> to build or operate. In fact, due to the almost miraculous energy
>> efficiency of modern heat pumps, they tend to be LESS expensive to operate,
>> thereby benefiting not only high-end homeowners but also less-affluent
>> renters. (Not to mention the health benefits of cleaner indoor air.)  A
>> recent state study show the cost benefits are even better for multi-family
>> housing than for single family homes.
>>
>>
>>
>> All-electric homes are not required to have an emergency generator.
>> Whether someone wants to have an emergency generator is a personal choice;
>> many homes powered by fossil fuels choose to have one.
>> We mention emergency generators to underscore that we expect they would
>> still be allowed as an option, when and if Lincoln adopts a bylaw. Even if
>> you assume a generator to be an additional cost associated with an
>> all-electric house, that likely will be offset by reduced operating costs.
>>
>>
>>
>> With regard to DIE, it's hard to come up with something with more
>> disparate impact on people of color than our current fossil-fuel economy
>> and the climate change it is causing.
>>
>> In America it typically is lower-income people - often people of color -
>> who live closest to fossil fuel extraction areas, fuel refineries, power
>> plants, and areas thickest with vehicle exhaust fumes, and who thereby
>> suffer the most from the local pollution effects.
>>
>> Around the world, it is regions populated mainly by black and brown
>> people that are getting hit th

Re: [LincolnTalk] Town meeting Article 40/31

[Richard Panetta]

1. Curious as many people on here have mentioned heat pumps don’t work that
well in winter. And have had to supplement them when it’s really cold

2. The cost of a generator is an additional up front cost. If an all
electric home does not have one how would one deal with a prolonged
electrical outage? Seems you are forcing them into the expense if they want
to keep power in an outage.

3. Why allow propane or wood fires as well? You give people that choice but
not what type of method they power their home.


4. The comment was in regards to the non chalant way the generator comment
was mentioned. Similar to the gentleman who stated the tax increase for the
school project was just another weekly trip to Donelans. Some can not
afford these additional costs. Even if it MIGHT be more cost effective over
time.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 2:50 PM Paul Shorb  wrote:

> I would like to respond to some recent posts here that seem to critique a
> move towards fossil-fuel-free homes as an expensive luxury for high-minded
> hypocrites who blissfully ignore adverse cost impacts on those economically
> less well-off. Here are some relevant facts that may be of interest to LT
> readers.
>
> Requiring new homes to be all-electric will not make them more expensive
> to build or operate. In fact, due to the almost miraculous energy
> efficiency of modern heat pumps, they tend to be LESS expensive to operate,
> thereby benefiting not only high-end homeowners but also less-affluent
> renters. (Not to mention the health benefits of cleaner indoor air.)  A
> recent state study show the cost benefits are even better for multi-family
> housing than for single family homes.
>
> All-electric homes are not required to have an emergency generator.
> Whether someone wants to have an emergency generator is a personal choice;
> many homes powered by fossil fuels choose to have one.
> We mention emergency generators to underscore that we expect they would
> still be allowed as an option, when and if Lincoln adopts a bylaw. Even if
> you assume a generator to be an additional cost associated with an
> all-electric house, that likely will be offset by reduced operating costs.
>
> With regard to DIE, it's hard to come up with something with more
> disparate impact on people of color than our current fossil-fuel economy
> and the climate change it is causing.
> In America it typically is lower-income people - often people of color -
> who live closest to fossil fuel extraction areas, fuel refineries, power
> plants, and areas thickest with vehicle exhaust fumes, and who thereby
> suffer the most from the local pollution effects.
> Around the world, it is regions populated mainly by black and brown people
> that are getting hit the hardest by the many impacts of climate change.
> Those are the people who are most at risk of being pushed back into poverty
> and worse by extreme weather events, droughts, food shortages, and
> desperate migration attempts and ensuing political strife - even though
> they have done much less than the more developed, majority-white nations
> have done to cause the current climate crisis.
> That's why it is rightly said that "climate justice is racial justice".
>
> - Paul Shorb
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 1:16 PM Stephanie Smoot 
> wrote:
>
>> I found irony that they were adding all these programs but a waiting list
>> for senior tax work off spaces!
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 1:09 PM Richard Panetta 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So did anyone else find any irony in a report given about inclusion
>>> diversity equity and anti racism then the very next article the presenting
>>> sponsor when questioned about losing electricity stated well you can JUST
>>> get a propane generator for those needs.  Never mind a good generator can
>>> cost $5000 plus along with the yearly costs of the tank and propane. Just
>>> in case your non fossil fuel home loses power.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>> 781 941-6842  personal cell
>> *617 595-5217 *work cell
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>> Lincoln, MA 01773
>> <https://www.go

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wake me up if you know my email has been hacked!

[Richard Panetta]

Steve,


Generally these days they have a two step process and a text is usually
sent to your phone with a code to enter as well for added security



On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 2:11 PM Steve Kropper  wrote:

> At midnight, I discovedred that my sister's email account had been
> breached.  I asked her *"Should I have w*o*ken you when I found out?"*
> She said 'no'.  Then I thought more about it.
> With access to your email name and account, a hacker could visit your bank
> web site, enter your email address, request a password reset (sent via
> email), and then wait for the reset email.  They'd have access to your
> account and all its functions.  Even if they don't abuse the access then,
> they now have lots of financial data on you.  And they could empty your
> account right then and there with a transfer, a bill pay or credit card
> use.Steve Kropper
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[LincolnTalk] Town meeting Article 40/31

[Richard Panetta]

So did anyone else find any irony in a report given about inclusion
diversity equity and anti racism then the very next article the presenting
sponsor when questioned about losing electricity stated well you can JUST
get a propane generator for those needs.  Never mind a good generator can
cost $5000 plus along with the yearly costs of the tank and propane. Just
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[LincolnTalk] New school flaws

[Richard Panetta]

As I am sitting in our brand new multi million dollar building during town
meeting I see several areas in the upper hall where paint was chipped
already by the railing posts. Has anyone noticed this and is it being
addressed at all. Or is this something that is considered normal use in a
building that is been is used for barley 6 months
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[LincolnTalk] Article 10

[Richard Panetta]

To help expedite things tomorrow I’d figure I would ask my question here to
see if someone knew the answer.

In article 10 there is a $240k expense for a heavy hook truck. Can anyone
give more incite on what this truck actually is?

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Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Richard Panetta]

A quick look shows a decline of less than 100 students in the past 20 years
from mass.edu’s site. The question is where did those students go? We’re
they home schooled, go to private school or a natural decline in residency?



On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:24 PM Pastor Allen  wrote:

> Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage
> of “Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in
> declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than
> there used to be.  …This trend has been obvious for decades.
>
> The number of students leaving for private schools may be a factor, but I
> would argue is insignificant in light of the general shrinking of the
> available school-aged population.  ( I will agree, though, that the town’s
> increasing average income and home values suggests that more families can
> afford private schools nowadays.)
>
> -Allen Vander Meulen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 16:45, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Mr. Dwyer,
> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to
> conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe,
> what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for
> private schools?
> What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Sara Mattes
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
>
> Hi Fuat,
>
> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
>
> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating
> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the
> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded
> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the
> population has grown.
>
> Something is amiss !
>
> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased
> with the product.
>
> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school
> committee on March 28.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jay Dwyer
> 603.560.1787 c
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>
> 
> Bryce,
>
> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education,
> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted:
>
> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various
> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the
> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our
> education is good (or bad). "
>
> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School
> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven
> evaluation criteria are.
>
> Regards,
> Fuat Koro
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived)
>> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it
>> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the
>> problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is
>> that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the
>> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>>
>> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this
>> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to
>> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY
>> think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my
>> attention... and vote.
>>
>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's
>> eristic pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT
>> data), both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were
>> well prepared for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is
>> there room for improvement?  Always.
>>
>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or
>> other private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a
>> deeply personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a
>> same-sex learning environment or they valued the private education
>> experience or they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside
>> of LS.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
>>
>>> Why ?
>>>
>>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 59% proficient in math
>>> 61% proficient in english
>>>
>>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>>>
>>> You get an F for failure.
>>>
>>> We spent $13 million a year for our schools and this is what we get.
>>>
>>> People with the ability to pay $40,000 a year take their kids out of
>>> Lincoln schools and put them in private schools like Fenn.
>>> You know 

Re: [LincolnTalk] LINCOLN…We Have a Problem ! (not my personal experience)

[Richard Panetta]

Allen,

I would beg to differ. I’ll try and find the numbers but the enrollment
goes up and down. When I was in school we barely had 40 kids in our Brooks
 graduating class. 25% then went on to private school. The enrollment then
went up around when Smith was renovated I believe.

And is there an increase in empty nesters? With The commons coming online
and the increased tax rate here is that number increasing or decreasing?



On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 5:24 PM Pastor Allen  wrote:

> Sara is right: a lower birth rate and the resulting increasing percentage
> of “Empty Nesters” and retired households in town are the biggest factor in
> declining school enrollment - there are simply far fewer kids here than
> there used to be.  …This trend has been obvious for decades.
>
> The number of students leaving for private schools may be a factor, but I
> would argue is insignificant in light of the general shrinking of the
> available school-aged population.  ( I will agree, though, that the town’s
> increasing average income and home values suggests that more families can
> afford private schools nowadays.)
>
> -Allen Vander Meulen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 24, 2022, at 16:45, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Mr. Dwyer,
> As someone who advocates the use of good data before we jump to
> conclusions and answers, that we diagnose accurately before we prescribe,
> what data have you used to imply large numbers of students are leaving for
> private schools?
> What have the numbers been over the years, decades?
> Perhaps there are historical trends that might inform this discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Sara Mattes
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2022, at 9:11 AM, JAY DWYER  wrote:
>
> Hi Fuat,
>
> “There are lies ,damn lies and statistics”.
>
> I agree that we have to take more than one matrix when evaluating
> performance. In addition to the numerical scores I was also shocked by the
> number of students leaving to go to private schools. That fact car leaded
> what did decline in Lincoln school enrollment over the last 10 years as the
> population has grown.
>
> Something is amiss !
>
> People vote with their feet in their pocketbooks when they’re not pleased
> with the product.
>
> If you agree with my perspective please vote for Joseph Dwyer for school
> committee on March 28.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jay Dwyer
> 603.560.1787 c
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Fuat Koro  wrote:
>
> 
> Bryce,
>
> My observation is when residents question the "goodness" of our education,
> discussions typically get stuck in much the same way you highlighted:
>
> "Typical assessment approaches like test scores and rankings by various
> publications are not good indicators of our education quality. In the
> absence of a yardstick, here are a few personal anecdotes why I think our
> education is good (or bad). "
>
> Perhaps this already exists, but as part of their stated role, the School
> Committee should be able to help us understand what our data-driven
> evaluation criteria are.
>
> Regards,
> Fuat Koro
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:59 PM Bryce Wells via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Jay,
>>
>> I find it concerning that you are prescribing a solution to a (perceived)
>> problem without any background or experience as an educator.  I find it
>> galling that you are using Niche.com as your primary source for the
>> problem, but that's another issue for another time.  My recommendation is
>> that you at least start with the state-mandate proficiency exams and the
>> school's performance therein... btw, I have no idea where LPS ranks.
>>
>> More homework?  Oh brother.  Have you vetted or discussed this
>> multi-pronged plan with Becky McFall or Sharon Hobbs?  You might want to
>> start there and see WHAT shortfalls they think there MIGHT be and how THEY
>> think they should be solved.  That sort of approach will surely get my
>> attention... and vote.
>>
>> Without getting into personal specifics (because as Lincoln Talk's
>> eristic pundit Dennis Liu would remind me, the plural of anecdote is NOT
>> data), both my boys went through LPS and are thriving at LS.  They were
>> well prepared for high school.  Many of their friends are thriving.  Is
>> there room for improvement?  Always.
>>
>> Also, personally speaking, they had many friends who went to Fenn or
>> other private schools.  The parents I spoke to about that decision (a
>> deeply personal one) communicated that they wanted their child in a
>> same-sex learning environment or they valued the private education
>> experience or they wanted to provide more avenues for their child outside
>> of LS.
>>
>> Thanks for listening.
>>
>> Bryce
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM JAY DWYER  wrote:
>>
>>> Why ?
>>>
>>> Here are the numbers for K-8 Lincoln Schools from : niche.com
>>>
>>>
>>> 59% proficient in math
>>> 61% proficient in english
>>>
>>> What grade do you get with 61% on a report card?
>>>
>>> You get an F for failure.
>>>
>>> We spent $13 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Safety of electric vehicle batteries

[Richard Panetta]

Roy,

Thank you for your research of my question . This does address some of my
concerns on EVs

I appreciate you looking into it this

Rich

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 10:56 PM ROY HARVEY  wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> I spoke today (3/23) with Lieutenant Ben Juhola, Training Coordinator of
> the Lincoln Fire Department (LFD), about EV fire safety.  He told me the
> following (any transcription errors are mine):
>
>- All members of the LFD have been certified through the fire academy
>on fire behavior, vehicle fires, house fires, propane / natural gas fires,
>mobile home fires, brush fires, multiple story fires, tanker and
>transportation mode fires, and electrical fires, among others.
>
>
>- It takes about 2,000 to 4,000 gallons or more to put out a typical
>EV fire, which may need to be cooled as well as smothered.  (A typical
>combustion-engine car fire takes about 500 to 2,000 gallons of water.)
>- Engine 2 carries 1,900 gallons of water; Engine 3 carries 750
>gallons.
>- Each truck carries 1500 feet of hose to pump additional water from a
>hydrant.
>- Engine 2 and Engine 3 also carry fire-fighting foam.
>- LFD has pre-existing plans for each home in town for how to respond
>to a call, including which trucks to send and where to station them.
>- There have been no EV fires in Lincoln to date.
>- LFD doesn’t have specific recommendations for EV owners regarding
>fire safety.
>- EV owners may notify LFD that they park an EV at their home.
>
> I am grateful to Lt Juhola for this information and to the entire Fire
> Department for their preparedness and dedication.
>
> Separately, note that the RMV offers "EV' plates for electric vehicles,
> which can help firefighters identify EVs.
>
> I hope this answers your questions on EV fire safety; if not, feel free to
> contact me.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roy Harvey
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Safety of electric vehicle batteries

[Richard Panetta]

Paul

Thank you. I do not have their contact info so if they are on LT I invite
them to respond to my questions on these dangers in EVs



On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:03 AM Paul Shorb  wrote:

> Richard -
> Yes I am Chair of the GEC but not its EV expert. I would invite you to
> contact Roy Harvey or Belinda Gingrich if you would like to know more about
> EVs.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 9:01 AM Richard Panetta 
> wrote:
>
>> No but you were advocating for them in the post I responded to and are
>> you not part of the GEC that also promotes the use of the vehicles? Or am I
>> wrong you are part of that committee?
>>
>> If the committee is advocating and encouraging people to purchase said
>> product I would  hope they studied them fully and also know the dangers as
>> well.
>>
>> If you are not part of that committee then I apologize
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 8:55 AM Paul Shorb  wrote:
>>
>>>  -
>>> You asked whether the GEC has any thoughts on the specific dangers of
>>> lithium batteries catching fire in EV. You noted among other things that in
>>> recent weeks two manufacturers released bulletins telling customers not to
>>> park their vehicles in a garage.
>>>
>>> I'm not a technical expert, and of course EVs are not part of what will
>>> be put before this Town Meeting, but I can offer the following. I
>>> understand from an EV owner in town that the bulletin is part of the
>>> federal car-safety system working as it should. If the manufacturer
>>> detects a possible problem, it sends out an alert called a "recall notice",
>>> which may tell you to bring your car in to have something fixed at
>>> manufacturer expense, and meanwhile take care in certain ways. Maybe some
>>> other LT reader who has received one of these EV notices can fill in here.
>>>
>>> To put this in perspective, remember that there is some risk associated
>>> with any form of stored energy, including a car's fuel tank full of
>>> gasoline. We are all familiar from TV and movies of cars being burned up by
>>> their own gasoline, and that has actually happened to our family's van. (We
>>> all got out in time, no one was hurt.) I think I'll feel very safe in an EV.
>>>
>>> - Paul Shorb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Safety of electric vehicle batteries

[Richard Panetta]

Chris from what I have read it is very hard to put out lithium fires with
water and it takes 5 times more to do so which is the concern I was seeing
in these vehicles catching fire.

In part why the bulletin was put out to avoid parking in garages. Some
properties will not allow EVs to park in their garages or within a certain
area of their building



On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 9:12 AM Chris McCarthy  wrote:

> Recalls for potential vehicle fires are nothing new. Kia and Hyundai
> recently recalled 485,000 cars for this purpose, which is more than 4x the
> number of  Chevy Bolts impacted.
>
> A consumer reports article notes that "owners of these vehicles should
> park their cars outdoors and away from structures until a recall repair is
> completed" (
> https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/park-recalled-hyundai-kia-vehicles-outside-due-to-fire-risk-a1002120529/).
> So Hyundai/Kia are recommending a similar interim guidance until their
> problem is resolved.
>
> BMW recalled 1 million vehicles for fire risk in 2017 (
> https://abcnews.go.com/US/bmw-recalls-million-vehicles-fire-risk/story?id=50922136
> ).
>
> I'd personally be more concerned by having 20 gallons of highly flammable
> gasoline sitting in a garage. Most people don't routinely maintain their
> fuel system, and as someone who extensively works on my own cars (including
> an electric chevy for some time) I've had more than one fuel leak occur in
> my lifetime.
>
> - Chris
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 08:55 Paul Shorb  wrote:
>
>> Richard -
>> You asked whether the GEC has any thoughts on the specific dangers of
>> lithium batteries catching fire in EV. You noted among other things that in
>> recent weeks two manufacturers released bulletins telling customers not to
>> park their vehicles in a garage.
>>
>> I'm not a technical expert, and of course EVs are not part of what will
>> be put before this Town Meeting, but I can offer the following. I
>> understand from an EV owner in town that the bulletin is part of the
>> federal car-safety system working as it should. If the manufacturer
>> detects a possible problem, it sends out an alert called a "recall notice",
>> which may tell you to bring your car in to have something fixed at
>> manufacturer expense, and meanwhile take care in certain ways. Maybe some
>> other LT reader who has received one of these EV notices can fill in here.
>>
>> To put this in perspective, remember that there is some risk associated
>> with any form of stored energy, including a car's fuel tank full of
>> gasoline. We are all familiar from TV and movies of cars being burned up by
>> their own gasoline, and that has actually happened to our family's van. (We
>> all got out in time, no one was hurt.) I think I'll feel very safe in an EV.
>>
>> - Paul Shorb
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Safety of electric vehicle batteries

[Richard Panetta]

No but you were advocating for them in the post I responded to and are you
not part of the GEC that also promotes the use of the vehicles? Or am I
wrong you are part of that committee?

If the committee is advocating and encouraging people to purchase said
product I would  hope they studied them fully and also know the dangers as
well.

If you are not part of that committee then I apologize




On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 8:55 AM Paul Shorb  wrote:

>  -
> You asked whether the GEC has any thoughts on the specific dangers of
> lithium batteries catching fire in EV. You noted among other things that in
> recent weeks two manufacturers released bulletins telling customers not to
> park their vehicles in a garage.
>
> I'm not a technical expert, and of course EVs are not part of what will be
> put before this Town Meeting, but I can offer the following. I understand
> from an EV owner in town that the bulletin is part of the
> federal car-safety system working as it should. If the manufacturer
> detects a possible problem, it sends out an alert called a "recall notice",
> which may tell you to bring your car in to have something fixed at
> manufacturer expense, and meanwhile take care in certain ways. Maybe some
> other LT reader who has received one of these EV notices can fill in here.
>
> To put this in perspective, remember that there is some risk associated
> with any form of stored energy, including a car's fuel tank full of
> gasoline. We are all familiar from TV and movies of cars being burned up by
> their own gasoline, and that has actually happened to our family's van. (We
> all got out in time, no one was hurt.) I think I'll feel very safe in an EV.
>
> - Paul Shorb
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] electric-only only homes in Lincoln?

[Richard Panetta]

Still hoping for an answer to this. If Paul can’t perhaps another member of
the GEC can?


Thanks

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:05 AM Richard Panetta 
wrote:

> Paul,
>
>
> Does your committee have any thoughts on the specific dangers of lithium
> batteries catching fire in EV?
>
> We have seen in recent weeks two manufacturers release a bulletin telling
> customers not to park their vehicles in a garage.
>
> The container ship that caught fire in the Atlantic.
> Some parking garages are banning EVs from parking in their facilities.
>
> There was a story of a Tesla catching fire 4 times in a tow yard after the
> original fire was extinguished.
>
>   And it takes far more water to put up a lithium fire than a gas one.
> Though from what I read water is not the best way to extinguish it. But
> usually that is the only source available to firefighters
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:02 PM Paul Shorb  wrote:
>
>> Elaine, thank you for speaking out!
>>
>> You have listed some excellent things to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
>> (drive less, drive electric/hybrid cars, fly less, etc.) Some of these are
>> hard for a Town to legally restrict, but can be addressed by state and
>> federal policy (e.g., rebates to encourage buying EVs, and eventually
>> prohibiting the purchase of non-EVs). The Lincoln Green Energy Committee is
>> trying to help by, for example,  sharing information about how fun EVs are
>> to drive, rebates, etc. (browse around at LincolnGreenEnergy.org) and by
>> investigating where we could put public charging stations for EVs.
>>
>> Regarding costs to build all-electric homes, the state Dep. of Energy
>> Resources has recently done a study on this. (You can find it at
>> https://www.mass.gov/doc/residential-stretch-code-costs-and-benefits-case-studies/download
>> .) They compared the cost of space heating, space cooling, and water
>> heating equipment done all-electric for a new 5-bedroom, 4,000 sq. ft.
>> house to the gas-based alternative allowed in the base building code. They
>> found the electric versions are slightly less expensive (about $350 less,
>> in their example; see page 2 of the PDF).
>>
>> Nevertheless, there is some cultural inertia in the home builder
>> community, where many are more comfortable just building as they always
>> have done. So I believe that statewide and other mandates to make that
>> community adjust more quickly are necessary and appropriate here, to get
>> the great technology that is now available applied to new homes ASAP.
>>
>> - Paul Shorb
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town land along Old County Rd

[Richard Panetta]

Perhaps this is a good opportunity for community service work for Lincoln
students?


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 3:56 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> As I said before, contact the Selects and ask to have a discussion.
> Otherwise, you can start a citizen’s petition to request a position be
> funded in the DPW budget.
> There is a way to see if others also agree that our tax dollars should pay
> for this, otherwise, we can go out with trash bags and each do a little bit
> in our neighborhoods.
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> The town should acknowledge that street sweeping is different than trash
> pick up.In 28 years I have yet to see a town crew picking up litter on the
> town land that abuts the reservoir land. This remains a dumping ground for
> all sorts of trash. A clean up
> Once a year would be great.
> Carol Ryan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 22, 2022, at 3:43 PM, betty green  wrote:
>
> 
> I live on Old County Rd not far far from Carol.   Clearly there are
> streets in Lincoln that are more affected than others by littering.Old
> County is one of them as we are close to a reservoir and major business
> center and the road provides a major thoroughfare with low
> lighting/visibility for cars.
>
> Other roads in Lincoln are similarly affected for these or different
> reasons and the town is probably aware of them.   These roads deserve more
> effort by the town with more frequent street cleaning.  Perhaps this is
> already happening but does not seem enough.
>
> Betty Green
> On Monday, March 21, 2022, 09:06:50 AM EDT, Richard Panetta <
> richardpane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> As someone a stated before. We can’t have town employees cleaning roads
> every time trash is dumped. They have other things to do and only clean
> during certain times of the year.
>
> Curious if it is on the reservoir side is that not owned or run by
> Cambridge or do they just lease the land/water area?
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:50 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> Regardless of who is dumping this trash the fact remains it is on town
> owned land and should be cleaned up by a town crew.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> Definitely being dumped from vehicles and perhaps the same one given the
> repeat tossing of Bud Light cans and cases.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Randi Rotjan  wrote:
>
> 
> We live along Concord Road and also regularly pick up litter from the side
> of the road. We invested in one of these trash grabbers
> <https://www.amazon.com/Grabber-FitPlus-Premium-Reacher-Warranty/dp/B07T3HTBD9/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=20KD5OY6VHRLJ=trash+picker+grabber=1647865670=trash+picker%2Caps%2C86=8-1-spons=1=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzOVdYTFBXWklZMlNFJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDI3ODE3MkNJUE41MzNTR1NXTCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjY0MTE2M1NHNkY4STRLTVpYViZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=>:
> I highly recommend it.
>
> Randi
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:21 AM llas902551--- via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately  more people  using trails hence more trash. Place many
> signs. Trails will b closed if become dangerous  and trashy. So upsetting
> folks don't have manners.
> Lynne
> Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 7:58 PM, Leslie Turek
>  wrote:
> When I lived in Watertown, we had a terrible problem with people dropping
> trash all along the paths alongside the Charles River. Each year, on Earth
> Day, one of the local citizen's groups organized trash cleanup parties all
> along the river. It was a shame we had to do that, but together, we all
> made a difference.
>
> When I moved to Lincoln, I was so pleased that I could walk our beautiful
> trails without constantly running across trash. I'm sorry to hear that the
> plague has spread to our town as well. Perhaps we need a similar sort of
> cleanup day. Although I would much rather spend my time doing something
> useful, like pulling up garlic mustard or planting native pollinators,
> rather than having to waste time picking up after thoughtless people.
>
> Leslie Turek
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:06 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> Who's responsibility is it to clean this up?
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Town land along Old County Rd

[Richard Panetta]

As someone a stated before. We can’t have town employees cleaning roads
every time trash is dumped. They have other things to do and only clean
during certain times of the year.

Curious if it is on the reservoir side is that not owned or run by
Cambridge or do they just lease the land/water area?

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:50 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:

> Regardless of who is dumping this trash the fact remains it is on town
> owned land and should be cleaned up by a town crew.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 8:48 AM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
> Definitely being dumped from vehicles and perhaps the same one given the
> repeat tossing of Bud Light cans and cases.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 21, 2022, at 8:29 AM, Randi Rotjan  wrote:
>
> 
> We live along Concord Road and also regularly pick up litter from the side
> of the road. We invested in one of these trash grabbers
> :
> I highly recommend it.
>
> Randi
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:21 AM llas902551--- via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately  more people  using trails hence more trash. Place many
>> signs. Trails will b closed if become dangerous  and trashy. So upsetting
>> folks don't have manners.
>> Lynne
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
>> 
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 7:58 PM, Leslie Turek
>>  wrote:
>> When I lived in Watertown, we had a terrible problem with people dropping
>> trash all along the paths alongside the Charles River. Each year, on Earth
>> Day, one of the local citizen's groups organized trash cleanup parties all
>> along the river. It was a shame we had to do that, but together, we all
>> made a difference.
>>
>> When I moved to Lincoln, I was so pleased that I could walk our beautiful
>> trails without constantly running across trash. I'm sorry to hear that the
>> plague has spread to our town as well. Perhaps we need a similar sort of
>> cleanup day. Although I would much rather spend my time doing something
>> useful, like pulling up garlic mustard or planting native pollinators,
>> rather than having to waste time picking up after thoughtless people.
>>
>> Leslie Turek
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 9:06 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> Who's responsibility is it to clean this up?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] electric-only only homes in Lincoln?

[Richard Panetta]

Paul,


Does your committee have any thoughts on the specific dangers of lithium
batteries catching fire in EV?

We have seen in recent weeks two manufacturers release a bulletin telling
customers not to park their vehicles in a garage.

The container ship that caught fire in the Atlantic.
Some parking garages are banning EVs from parking in their facilities.

There was a story of a Tesla catching fire 4 times in a tow yard after the
original fire was extinguished.

  And it takes far more water to put up a lithium fire than a gas one.
Though from what I read water is not the best way to extinguish it. But
usually that is the only source available to firefighters





On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:02 PM Paul Shorb  wrote:

> Elaine, thank you for speaking out!
>
> You have listed some excellent things to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
> (drive less, drive electric/hybrid cars, fly less, etc.) Some of these are
> hard for a Town to legally restrict, but can be addressed by state and
> federal policy (e.g., rebates to encourage buying EVs, and eventually
> prohibiting the purchase of non-EVs). The Lincoln Green Energy Committee is
> trying to help by, for example,  sharing information about how fun EVs are
> to drive, rebates, etc. (browse around at LincolnGreenEnergy.org) and by
> investigating where we could put public charging stations for EVs.
>
> Regarding costs to build all-electric homes, the state Dep. of Energy
> Resources has recently done a study on this. (You can find it at
> https://www.mass.gov/doc/residential-stretch-code-costs-and-benefits-case-studies/download
> .) They compared the cost of space heating, space cooling, and water
> heating equipment done all-electric for a new 5-bedroom, 4,000 sq. ft.
> house to the gas-based alternative allowed in the base building code. They
> found the electric versions are slightly less expensive (about $350 less,
> in their example; see page 2 of the PDF).
>
> Nevertheless, there is some cultural inertia in the home builder
> community, where many are more comfortable just building as they always
> have done. So I believe that statewide and other mandates to make that
> community adjust more quickly are necessary and appropriate here, to get
> the great technology that is now available applied to new homes ASAP.
>
> - Paul Shorb
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Restricting fossil-fuel hookups with new construction

[Richard Panetta]

Paul respectfully when does it save the home owner money? How long till the
return is made

And sorry I am not inclined to write a “blank check” when I don’t know what
your ideas are.


Has your group discussed this and come up with an outline of what you want
or did someone just think this was a good idea and you were told this is
the start of the process to accomplish your goal?



On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 3:39 PM Paul Shorb  wrote:

> As one of the signers of the citizen petition that put Article 31 on the
> warrant, I wanted to add the following to recent comments in this space
> (Lincoln Talk).
>
> If you go to LincolnGreenEnergy.org, under "Latest News" you can find a
> blog post that mentions the explanatory webinar being offered again at 3pm
> on March 17. It also includes a link to the text of the motion that will be
> offered under Article 31 and a link to a one-page explanation. I think that
> latter will answer many of the questions raised here about the process
> being followed. FYI, the current two-step process was recommended by the
> Select Board and the Planning Board as the most appropriate for Lincoln.
>
> That blog post also provides a link to a list of resources that provide
> more information on these issues. We will also be posting a link to a
> recording and to the slide deck used.
>
> As you learn what's up, I think you will agree that the process we are
> following is very consistent with "the Lincoln way" of maximizing
> opportunities for public education and input before we make any important
> changes.
>
> That's not to hide the ball: yes of course the proponents and supporters
> of the motion hope that Lincoln, after passing this motion, will later
> agree to pass a by-law requiring new construction to be fossil-fuel-free.
> We believe that is one of the many steps necessary to reduce the intensity
> of climate change and the destruction and human suffering  it is already
> causing. Luckily, this is one of the relatively easy steps, since in the
> context of new construction going all-electric actually tends to save money
> for the homeowner.
>
> - Paul Shorb
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Passive houses | RE: Forcing Lincoln to ban use of gas and oil at home? RE: Webinars regarding Citizen's Petition for Town meeting

[Richard Panetta]

Why not also see if we can strict sizes of homes. Why does anyone need a 3
car garage, more than 2.5 baths or 4000+ sq ft homes.
Why not see if we can require a special permit where they have to show
cause for such excess?

This would accomplish two fold, reduce carbon footprints and reduce housing
costs this making homes less affordable

Also haven’t we learned from past mistakes it works better when we ask for
the residents input before we ask the State for something?


On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 12:16 PM Bob Kupperstein  wrote:

> You make the argument that any changes Lincoln makes would have a
> miniscule impact, but Lincoln (and the US, for that matter) are unwilling
> to make any small sacrifices for the common good, then how can we expect
> communities/nations that can have a big impact to make sacrifices for our
> sake?
>
> Your consistently libertarian mindset (little 'L'?) seems to
> virtually always prioritize personal choice over common good.  That seems
> to leave little to discuss.
>
> And, yes, our brilliant minds and new technologies *may* come up with
> solutions down the line, but how much will be lost in the meantime?
> Island nations covered by rising seas; US cities being flooded; many
> species going extinct (forever); extreme weather events causing loss of
> life and property; etc., etc.  Pretty minor in comparison to all of those
> things, but surely a symbolic local instance we can all relate to: the
> lobsters have left Connecticut and Long Island, are becoming rare in Mass.
> and are even disappearing in Maine.   But, we'll figure something out?
>
> As for *why ask the legislature* before having community discussions - we
> could go back and forth on that forever, it's a chicken/egg situation.  Why
> not find out if it's even possible, and if it is, then we can have
> meaningful dialog.   Either way, everyone will have a chance to have their
> say.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Dennis Liu 
> wrote:
>
>> I neglected to address the other parts of Belinda’s questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Belinda wrote:  >”** If I were building a new home I would want it to
>> be as air tight and well insulated as possible so that my energy bills for
>> heating would be minuscule. Who wouldn’t want a Passive House
>>  with minimal heating bills?
>> Should we be allowed to build inefficient houses because we haven’t heard
>> about better options?”*
>>
>>
>>
>> Ah, well, here’s the thing.  “Who wouldn’t want X”?  Indeed; here’s
>> another way to think about questions of that sort.  *IF everyone wants
>> X, then we would not need a LAW that MANDATES X*.  By virtue of having
>> to pass a law that forces people to choose X shows that there must be some
>> significant subset of people that would not want X.
>>
>>
>>
>> For the record, I built our house in 2011.  I looked at passive houses
>> then, and while it had a lot of appeal to me, I ended up building something
>> that is very energy efficient, but not quite as efficient as a full,
>> certified passive house would have been.  Why not?  The return on
>> investment wasn’t there.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I repeat, over and over *ad nauseam*, pretty much everything in life
>> has a cost/benefit analysis.  Residential solar power is great!  At a
>> certain price level!  It’s often the Pareto principle at work (
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle).  When I was building my
>> house, I could achieve 80% of the benefit of a passive house at 20% of the
>> upgrade cost.  It would have cost a lot more for a much smaller, diminished
>> improvement in efficiency.  This is the same reasoning all of us apply to
>> all aspects of life!
>>
>>
>>
>> We want to go out to dinner one night; cool.  Most of the time, most of
>> us will go out to a local-ish restaurant with good-to-great food, at mostly
>> reasonable prices.  We could spend 3x the price, or go 3x the distance, and
>> have a better meal – and sometimes we do! – but most of the time we do
>> not.  That’s because each of us is willing to spend $X for dinner out –
>> we’ve done the cost/benefit analysis for dinner *that night*.  The same
>> can be said when we buy a Prius or Tesla Model 3 instead of a Tesla Plaid
>> or Lucid Air.  When we fly basic or standard economy instead of business
>> class or 1st class.  We can achieve the goal of arriving in Chicago or
>> Atlanta (at the same time!) for $194 instead of $495.
>>
>>
>>
>> [As a pure aside, if you’re concerned about COVID and similar airborne
>> pathogens being transmitted among residents in multi-family dwellings built
>> to passive house standards, it can be mitigated, but it’s complex and incur
>> more expense; see:
>> https://www.swinter.com/party-walls/designing-for-a-post-covid-world-with-passive-house/
>> ]
>>
>>
>>
>> *Belinda also inquired re my stance on leaky gas infrastructure:  > “Is
>> Gas a right? Massachusetts has very leaky natural gas infrastructure
>> contributing to global warming 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Citizen's Petition for Town meeting

[Richard Panetta]

So Trish , we not study the options THEN ask the State. Why put the cart
before the horse? Why does it need to be done now? Why do we need to pass
the “option”  before we know what’s in it?

And sorry I work during the day and can’t attend the meeting.


On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 7:21 PM Trish O'Hagan  wrote:

> Dear Pat
> Thanks so much for your interest in this Citizen's petition. Hopefully you
> can join us on Thursday 3/17 at 3pm as we all share ideas and learn
> together about electrification of buildings as a way to combat the climate
> emergency. The link is below.
>
>-  Mar 17, 2022 03:00 PM
>
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81095315671
>
> Meeting ID: 810 9531 5671
>
>   Please know that this is just the very beginning of the process.  We
> are in no way interested in rushing any new bylaws in Lincoln. There will
> be  plenty of time and reflection and input from our citizens to determine
> what is best for our community.
>  To be clear, the Citizen's petition, if passed, would simply ask the
> legislature to give Lincoln the *option* to require new construction to
> be all electric.  In the meantime, Lincoln could begin a robust discussion
> about what works best for our town and would require a vote at a town
> meeting in the future.
>   I hope this helps clear up some of your concerns.
> Best,
>
> Trish O'Hagan
>
> 781 248 5657
>
> On 03/15/2022 6:54 PM Pat Gray  wrote:
>
>
> Your email proves a point Denis was making. We, the Lincoln community,
> should have a thorough and respectful series of conversations before we
> move forward on it. It potentially affects all of us and therefore we need
> our voices to be heard.
>
> Not doing so makes one question why? Maybe they are unsure of the support
> they will receive from the Town, though I don’t know why.
>
> This doesn’t feel right. No process of inclusion.
>
> Pat Gray
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 15, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Belinda Gingrich 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis,
> What would you do to solve the climate crisis? You give well thought out
> ideas and it would be interesting to hear your proposals.
>
> India and China may be producing more greenhouse gases, as they are
> supporting a few more people, but should we do nothing? What ideas to you
> have for Lincoln to do?
>
> If I were building a new home I would want it to be as air tight and well
> insulated as possible so that my energy bills for heating would be
> minuscule. Who wouldn’t want a Passive House
>  with minimal heating bills?
> Should we be allowed to build inefficient houses because we haven’t heard
> about better options?
>
> Is Gas a right? Massachusetts has very leaky natural gas infrastructure
> 
>  contributing
> to global warming and not even heating our houses. It would cost enormous
> amounts of money to repair even the major leaks and new leaks are forming
> all the time. If we could all switch to electric homes we wouldn’t need all
> the leaky infrastructure. I certainly don’t want to pay for a leaky gas
> infrastructure. I want the government to legislate it away!
>
> https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/25/methane-emissions-natural-gas-massachusetts-climate-change
>
> There are options. Propane tanks are an option for people who have a leaky
> old house that needs back-up heat, for people who want a generator because
> of trees falling on electric lines (not to mention squirrels causing
> havoc), and for people who must have gas cooktops despite the health
> warnings. This seems a good libertarian option that doesn’t depend on a
> central infrastructure that everyone needs to buy into. Just my 2 cents
> about a centralized gas system.
>
> Warm regards,
> Belinda
>
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Dennis Liu  wrote:
> Forgive me as I once again touch the third rail here, but a few questions
> for consideration.
>
> A Lincoln environmental group is asking Town Meeting to petition the state
> legislature to grant the town the right to ban the installation of gas and
> oil for new buildings.  Stephanie Smoot asked the question, effectively,
> why was this submitted with short notice and not much investigation or
> discussion?  Trish O’Hagan responded, effectively, this is a TWO-STEP
> process, and that once the first step is completed (successfully
> petitioning the legislature), THEN Lincoln can conduct that investigation
> and debate.
>
> To which I ask . . . why not have that investigation and debate NOW?  If
> this is something that the green energy committee CAN convince the majority
> of townsfolks to support, THEN go ahead with the petition process?
> Especially since that petition is likely to succeed, so the discussion will
> need to be had anyway.  What’s the benefit of doing it in this order?
>
> Perhaps doing it this way makes it EASIER for the proponents to achieve
> their goal?
>
> My $0.02:  I am a HUGE 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Massachusetts will punish suburbs that don't allow apartments near transit.

[Richard Panetta]

Margaret,


Would the property near the bus stop be an area of concern as well then? Or
would most of that land be in the National Park district?

Rich

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 6:45 PM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> Sara,
> The original map published in the Squirrel was incorrect. This is my fault
> - I made that map and made a mistake in the GIS. This was brought to my
> attention in the comments; Alice contacted me and she updated the article
> with the corrected map.
>
> What the updated map shows is that in order to comply we would need to
> rezone some of the current R1 (single family 2 acre) zone that is within a
> half mile of the station. Depending on how the regulations shape up after
> the comment period the town may be facing some difficult choices.
>
> On the question of the MBTA station - we also have a bus stop, at Hanscom.
> We are a bus service town under the draft rules.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 5:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> Very interesting, and there will be serious push-back.
>>
>> Note-"That is the message Massachusetts is sending to 175 cities and
>> suburbs in the Boston area, as a bill passed last year to boost housing
>> production begins to take effect
>> 
>> *.** Almost every jurisdiction in eastern Massachusetts, from the New
>> Hampshire border to Worcester to the Cape Cod Canal…**”*
>>
>> Certainly some serious pressure will and should be placed on State Reps.
>> once other towns realize the implications.
>>
>> Lincoln already has grasped the implications.
>>
>> For Lincoln, as was shown in a recent article in the *Squirrel,* the
>> land available, given the map proposed by MAPC and this new
>> growth initiative (NOT a mandate), the proposed 750 units would have to fit
>> into a very small land mass.
>> In order to reach 750 units, we would need to redevelop with 5-6 story
>> buildings, at a minimum.
>>
>> It simply is not feasible.
>>
>> We should all be contacting our current and future State Reps. to ask
>> their positions,  and to explain.
>>
>> We have regularly added multi
>> family housing, including affordable housing to our inventory, and,
>> I expect we will continue to do so, but not in this manner.
>>
>> Sara Mattes
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 5:29 PM, Lynne Smith  wrote:
>>
>> An interesting article for Lincoln.
>>
>>
>> https://slate.com/business/2022/01/massachusetts-zoning-apartments-housing-transit.html
>>
>>
>> Lynne Smith
>> 5 Tabor Hill Road
>> 
>> Lincoln, MA 01773
>> 
>> 781-258-1175
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Too much - or too little - salt on the road

[Richard Panetta]

This is not high salt use. This is the normal use that has been going on
for years. It looks worse than it is because the use was for ice only and
not snow conditions as well.
The salt needs to be driven on for it to dissolve  as well.  Which is why
there appears to be “excess “ on side roads. You probably would not see
much “excess” on main roads.

I’m curious if anyone who has an issue with this salt use has ever lost a
loved one due to icy road conditions. If so your tune might change







On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 3:59 PM Michelle Barnes via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Dear Dennis,
>
> Regarding your suggested cost/benefit analysis of salt use.
>
> What of the indirect and direct costs of sodium and chloride to human and
> environmental health, including clean water and healthy wetlands (as well
> as the impact on climate resiliency of healthy wetlands), as Joan Kimball
> mentioned previously? Today, or in the future, or both?
>
> It seems to me a pretty tricky public safety issue to balance, and there
> are intergenerational equity concerns, at least in principle. It isn’t just
> about the catastrophic loss of life today as there are potentially
> sustained human health impacts such as hypertension and heart disease that
> lead to impaired quality of life today and potentially more death in the
> future, not to mention the potential environmental health impacts
> including, eventually, the potential for impaired drinking water or at
> least the costs of making it more drinkable somehow. Some of these may be
> off in the future, or they may already be here and we just don’t know it,
> but they are likely legitimate concerns to at least consider.
>
> If we want to speak only the language of economics and not entertain moral
> or ethical considerations, could we be sued for those impacts as well, if
> not today then in the future? Might we be called upon to clean it up at
> some point? There is a cost for that, too. To ignore it is to put that
> potential cost off onto future generations. There is at least some
> probability of these things happening that I think should be factored into
> the economic cost benefit analysis being suggested below. (Some have argued
> these additional impacts with more certitude than I have — I am still on
> the learning curve here.)
>
> Or do we really just focus on the narrow public safety concern below, the
> here and now of ice, salt and traffic accidents and their impacts on
> today’s human life, liberty and lawsuits directly related to this problem
> and leave these other (potential) problems for future generations to pay
> for? Arguably inequitable, but certainly a tried and true pattern of human
> behavior upon which great wealth has been accumulated at the expense of
> future generations.
>
> Doing such an analysis would take a lot of time for any one of us, or even
> a group of us. In the meanwhile, maybe we can figure out how to allay the
> immediate safety concerns around the intersection of icy roads and driving
> without using more salt than is absolutely required. It isn’t clear that
> that is what has happened of late, as we’ve seen both the brine
> administered before the storm and extensive amounts of rock salt afterwards
> even at the end of small cul-de-sacs off of small roads where very few
> people are living and no one would be driving quickly. Many of us have not
> seen this amount of rock salt being applied since the brine began being
> applied. I literally end up with salt on my clothes at the end of the day,
> which has never happened before. Was this change in application — the
> re-emergence of hefty amounts of rock salt — due to more accidents? I don’t
> know. It would be good to know. Or is it an equipment malfunction as some
> have suggested?
>
> How does this high-salt policy compare with a policy of low salt and
> winter tires? Or other alternative means for keeping the roads safe? When
> we think about the costs and benefits of different alternatives, I hope we
> consider both the direct and indirect costs and benefits to both human and
> environmental health, today and for future generations and not the more
> restricted perspective promulgated below. These should be considered as we
> think of creative ways to solve these problems, as some solutions may be
> more expensive for us for the problems we think we are facing right now,
> but they may be both cheaper and more worthwhile from a variety of
> perspectives in the long run.
>
> Best,
> Michelle Barnes
> South Great Road
>
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 2:56 PM, Dennis Liu  wrote:
>
> 
>
> As always, it’s good to look at the data.  Assuming that data is
> available.  To look at just LINCOLN, the first question is – when was
> “peak” salt use?  Some sources say that salt use in the Northeast in
> general peaked in the 70s and 80s, and has since reduced thanks to better
> weather forecasting, better spreading techniques, the use of pre-treatment
> (which Lincoln) uses, and 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Too Much Salt on Road

[Richard Panetta]

Each time this year they have used salt it has been needed.

Salt is very expensive and hard to come by this year so they would not
waste any on purpose.

Years ago when the town used minimal salt the roads were awful. After a
large snow storm Trapelo Rd would look like a snow covered dirt road with
bumps and divets. Meanwhile you could tell when you got to Waltham or
Wayland as the road was wet pavement all of a sudden.


On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 2:04 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:

> Question: since the DPW doesn't seem to wish to listen, could the issue
> brought before Town Meeting or elsewhere to condition the DPW's budget for
> salting on developing and implementing a plan for reduction of its usage?
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 8:29 AM Peter von Mertens <
> petervonmert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to those who have raised the issue of too much salt on the roads.
>> For a number of years individuals and  the conservation organizations in
>> town have tried to get DPW to reduce the salt spread on roads.   The use of
>> brine (liquid salt) spread before storms has been effective in preventing
>> icing of roads before plows can remove newly fallen snow.  But the use of
>> rock salt after a storm is clearly excessive.
>>
>> Rock salt spread indiscriminately on roads often winds up off the roads
>> where it causes damage to trees and other flora on the road edges.  And
>> most importantly the salt eventually goes down the drains and into drinking
>> water supplies where it is very difficult to remove.
>>
>> We encourage the safety organizations in town to work with DPW to
>> specifically identify locations where dangerous icing can cause auto
>> accidents.  These critical spots should be salted when conditions demand it
>> but in areas such as parking lots and flat roads salt should only be spread
>> when required.
>>
>> If you agree please send your comments to our Town Manager and to the
>> Head of DPW.
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] PCR testing

[Richard Panetta]

 The Town of Lincoln will continue to provide FREE Drive-Through testing at
the Pierce House, 17 Weston Road on the following dates: Saturday, 1/15/22
from 10AM-Noon (ALL AGES). More testing dates will be added as needed. This
testing program is not for those already diagnosed with COVID (even a
positive home rapid test. This program is for those who have symptoms, have
been identified as a close contact, who may have been exposed, or have
traveled recently. ADVANCED REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED. Registration Link:
https://www.signupgenius.com/go/10c0f44aea82


So what type of travel do you need to qualify? Seems like you would

I was able to get one at Emerson’s site on Baker Ave for an international
trip but I had to pay for it.



ca7fdcf8-town4 On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 1:57 PM Lynne Smith 
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> It is true that the COA is offering PCR tests.  But it is very hard to
> qualify for one unless you are symptomatic and test negative on rapid
> tests. I have a cold and cough and just returned from Colorado.  I was told
> I needed to have 2 negative rapid tests the 2 days before testing or I
> would not qualify. If I was Positive on a rapid test, I would not be
> eligible for a PCR test. If I was symptomatic, but had negative rapid
> tests, I could qualify.
>
> In fact, I do not have any at home rapid tests so I could not provide a
> negative test.  All this, and I am 77 and recently returned from a trip to
> Colorado!  I’m not sure why the qualification is so rigid….
>
> Lynne Smith
> 5 Tabor Hill Road
> 
> Lincoln, MA 01773
> 
> cell:  781-258-1175
> ly...@smith.net
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 1:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> Check with theCOA and Town website. The town has been offering a lot of
> testing recently
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 15, 2022, at 12:59 PM, Ellen Meyer Shorb 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi all. Any suggestions on where to get a covid pcr test nearby?
>
> Ellen Meyer Shorb, 781-879-9805
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Savannah Cat Saga’s Happy Conclusion

[Richard Panetta]

Bruno made the Milford daily news as well

https://www.milforddailynews.com/story/news/2022/01/05/wild-african-serval-cat-found-injured-roaming-around-lincoln-ma-neighborhood/9103409002/?fbclid=IwAR3kntMMArq1g2djDMWNz1uu37-P-D0Zh0Q-IrlDpxGSxNGUKlu_gXyNYiY



On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 1:15 PM Carol Bickford via Lincoln <
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> Thank you for the update!
> Glad to hear it was a safe capture and the cat will be taken care of.
> Carol
>
> > On Jan 5, 2022, at 8:35 AM, Martin Pierce 
> wrote:
> >
> > Wanted to share some good news to those who responded to my original
> post about this African Serval/Domestic hybrid. Thanks to cooperation
> with/from our neighbor Vic Salemme, when the cat reappeared in our yard
> today around the time the MSPCA arrived, the MSPCA staff was able to trap
> the now-injured cat in our garage and capture it for safe transport to
> professional help. The cat will be examined by the MSPCA Exotic Team and
> then taken to Angell Memorial for treatment for its injured leg. When fully
> recovered, it’s disposition will likely be conveyance to a wildlife
> sanctuary or zoo. A special shout out to Alessa of the MSPCA staff and her
> colleague for their invaluable assistance!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Savannah Cat Saga’s Happy Conclusion

[Richard Panetta]

Post states the break was several months old as well. Poor thing



On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 11:22 AM Andrea Reynes  wrote:

> There is an MSPCA Facebook posting of the serval that indicates he had " a
> severely broken leg" . Got him help just in time..
>
> Andrea Reynes
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 11:18 AM Jane Appell  wrote:
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>> Thank you to you and MaryJo!  Sounds like a great resolution for this
>> beautiful animal.
>>
>> Jane
>>
>>
>> *Jane Appell*
>> 56 Winter Street
>> 
>> Lincoln, MA 01773
>> 
>> 781-259-1217
>> 617-335-0777 cell
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Martin Pierce 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wanted to share some good news to those who responded to my original post
>> about this African Serval/Domestic hybrid. Thanks to cooperation with/from
>> our neighbor Vic Salemme, when the cat reappeared in our yard today around
>> the time the MSPCA arrived, the MSPCA staff was able to trap the
>> now-injured cat in our garage and capture it for safe transport to
>> professional help. The cat will be examined by the MSPCA Exotic Team and
>> then taken to Angell Memorial for treatment for its injured leg. When fully
>> recovered, it’s disposition will likely be conveyance to a wildlife
>> sanctuary or zoo. A special shout out to Alessa of the MSPCA staff and her
>> colleague for their invaluable assistance!
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] transfer station stickers

[Richard Panetta]

Nope,

This new sticker you were able to sign up online by submitting a copy of
your registration. So you could do either in person or online





On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 7:03 PM Barbara Low  wrote:

> In the past you had to appear and show your registration to get a sticker
> tied to your plate. Not sure they can be mailed out without verifying the
> cars we have.
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 4, 2022 7:00:04 PM
> *To:* Leslie Turek 
> *Cc:* Edward Young ; Joanna Owen Schmergel via
> Lincoln 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] transfer station stickers
>
> So if all of them are expiring at the same time, in August, when do they
> want us to reapply? It doesn’t say on the website. Seems like they set
> themselves up to mail out a couple thousand in August.
>
> On Jan 4, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Leslie Turek  wrote:
>
> Here's some information from when they first were issued. Apparently,
> they're for both the transfer station and commuter parking. And it looks
> like all of them will expire this coming August.
>
> http://lincolntown.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=811=1403
>
> Leslie Turek
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 12:39 PM Edward Young via Lincoln <
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>
> My red windshield sticker says it expires on August 31 of this year (2022)
> The old bumper stickers have expired
>
> Interestingly, nowhere on the sticker does it say where or what the
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Re: [LincolnTalk] QU: is the transfer station open today?

[Richard Panetta]

They were working today. Keeping the roads salted and safe so we could see
family and get to and from.

You can also assume they will be closed next Saturday as well



On Sat, Dec 25, 2021 at 7:29 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> It’s Christmas!
> Our town staff work hard enough, let’s give non-essential services at
> least this day off…please.
>
> > On Dec 25, 2021, at 8:31 AM, Beth Carron 
> wrote:
> >
> > Happy Holidays!
> > A quick question for anyone in the know, is the Transfer station open
> today? I assume not, but just wanted to check.
> > many thanks,
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Next school COVID tests Monday

[Richard Panetta]

Sorry. Remembered this after I sent last post

To add we had an issue last week with a school committee member emailing
inaccurate health information to LT which upset and inconvenienced one
resident and their daughter





On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:33 PM Richard Panetta 
wrote:

> The town gives updates on numbers but the town does not email updates. You
> can sign up for notifications then you have to go to the town website to
> see the updated numbers after you get notified of the new update. But I
> think it only gives numbers and not demographics
>
> Sara, one would have to search for themselves for those. I can’t speak for
> Tamika but I think her point is a school committee member should not be
> emailing LT with the updates
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:27 PM Tamika Mayes  wrote:
>
>> Does Lincoln? If so send me the link where everyone can access it. I
>> don't care about other towns, my child doesn't attend school there.
>>
>> Emails intended for parents should stay that way.
>>
>> Tamika M.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 3:22 PM Caitlin Hogue 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll add that many school districts publicly report their aggregate
>>> testing information weekly, as does the state.
>>>
>>> Katy
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:21 PM Donald Hafner  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would be a violation of HIPPA if the information contained the names
>>>> of individual children who had tested positive or negative.  Public
>>>> postings of general information on the test results a large school
>>>> population, where individual information cannot be identified nor inferred,
>>>> is not a violation of HIPPA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Richard Panetta 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can see the public interest in it but agree with Tamika’s point that
>>>> emailing info really shouldn’t be shared with LT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 2:46 PM Barbara Low 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As a person with no children in the school but concern about the
>>>>> spread of the virus, I am delighted to learn that there were no cases in
>>>>> the school when testing was done this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am glad the information was provided for all readers of Lincoln
>>>>> Talk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barbara Low
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Tamika
>>>>> Mayes 
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2021 2:42 PM
>>>>> *To:* Susan Taylor 
>>>>> *Cc:* LincolnTalk.org 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Next school COVID tests Monday
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't the intended for parents only for children who participate in
>>>>> the program? Why is this allowed to be posted here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tamika M.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:40 PM Susan Taylor 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We have received all results from this week’s COVID-19 routine weekly
>>>>> testing for the Lincoln PreK-Grade8 campus. *No pools returned a
>>>>> positive result this week.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Each week, during the course of the weekly routine testing cycle, if
>>>>> any pool returns a positive or inconclusive result, the families of the
>>>>> students in the pool and the staff in the pool will be immediately
>>>>> notified. When all results have been received for the week, all members of
>>>>> the campus community will receive a weekly testing report.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Please Note: *Because next week is short due to winter break,
>>>>> regular weekly *testing will occur next week on Monday 12/20*,
>>>>> instead of the normal Tuesday schedule, to provide enough time for pool
>>>>> testing and any necessary reflex testing and contact tracing.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Weekly Lincoln COVID-19 Testing Report*
>>>>> *Test Date: Tuesday 12/14*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Test results:*
>>>>> 81 pools tested
>>>>> 0 pools returned a positive result
>>>>> 0 individuals returned a positive result in follow-up PCR testing
>>>>>
>>>>> 618 individual pool participants
>&g

Re: [LincolnTalk] Next school COVID tests Monday

[Richard Panetta]

The town gives updates on numbers but the town does not email updates. You
can sign up for notifications then you have to go to the town website to
see the updated numbers after you get notified of the new update. But I
think it only gives numbers and not demographics

Sara, one would have to search for themselves for those. I can’t speak for
Tamika but I think her point is a school committee member should not be
emailing LT with the updates



On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:27 PM Tamika Mayes  wrote:

> Does Lincoln? If so send me the link where everyone can access it. I don't
> care about other towns, my child doesn't attend school there.
>
> Emails intended for parents should stay that way.
>
> Tamika M.
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 3:22 PM Caitlin Hogue 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ll add that many school districts publicly report their aggregate
>> testing information weekly, as does the state.
>>
>> Katy
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:21 PM Donald Hafner  wrote:
>>
>>> It would be a violation of HIPPA if the information contained the names
>>> of individual children who had tested positive or negative.  Public
>>> postings of general information on the test results a large school
>>> population, where individual information cannot be identified nor inferred,
>>> is not a violation of HIPPA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2021, at 3:09 PM, Richard Panetta 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can see the public interest in it but agree with Tamika’s point that
>>> emailing info really shouldn’t be shared with LT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 2:46 PM Barbara Low 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a person with no children in the school but concern about the spread
>>>> of the virus, I am delighted to learn that there were no cases in the
>>>> school when testing was done this week.
>>>>
>>>> I am glad the information was provided for all readers of Lincoln Talk..
>>>>
>>>> Barbara Low
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Tamika
>>>> Mayes 
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2021 2:42 PM
>>>> *To:* Susan Taylor 
>>>> *Cc:* LincolnTalk.org 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Next school COVID tests Monday
>>>>
>>>> Isn't the intended for parents only for children who participate in the
>>>> program? Why is this allowed to be posted here?
>>>>
>>>> Tamika M.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:40 PM Susan Taylor 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We have received all results from this week’s COVID-19 routine weekly
>>>> testing for the Lincoln PreK-Grade8 campus. *No pools returned a
>>>> positive result this week.*
>>>>
>>>> Each week, during the course of the weekly routine testing cycle, if
>>>> any pool returns a positive or inconclusive result, the families of the
>>>> students in the pool and the staff in the pool will be immediately
>>>> notified. When all results have been received for the week, all members of
>>>> the campus community will receive a weekly testing report.
>>>>
>>>> *Please Note: *Because next week is short due to winter break, regular
>>>> weekly *testing will occur next week on Monday 12/20*, instead of the
>>>> normal Tuesday schedule, to provide enough time for pool testing and any
>>>> necessary reflex testing and contact tracing.
>>>>
>>>> *Weekly Lincoln COVID-19 Testing Report*
>>>> *Test Date: Tuesday 12/14*
>>>>
>>>> *Test results:*
>>>> 81 pools tested
>>>> 0 pools returned a positive result
>>>> 0 individuals returned a positive result in follow-up PCR testing
>>>>
>>>> 618 individual pool participants
>>>> 96% student participation rate*
>>>>
>>>> For more information, please visit our LPS COVID-19 Data Dashboard
>>>> <http://track.spe.schoolmessenger.com/f/a/lxDY-T4tcjCgAfwin72yDQ~~/AQA~/RgRjm2ZAP0QmaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGluY25ldC5vcmcvY292aWRkYXNoYm9hcmRXB3NjaG9vbG1CCmGywDK6YRsWZmdSFXN2aHRheWxvckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldFgEAQ~~>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> ** Percentage of in-person students who have not tested positive
>>>> for COVID-19 in the past 90 days who have registered to participate in the
>>>> pooled testing program.*
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> The Linc

Re: [LincolnTalk] Next school COVID tests Monday

[Richard Panetta]

I can see the public interest in it but agree with Tamika’s point that
emailing info really shouldn’t be shared with LT.



On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 2:46 PM Barbara Low  wrote:

> As a person with no children in the school but concern about the spread of
> the virus, I am delighted to learn that there were no cases in the school
> when testing was done this week.
>
> I am glad the information was provided for all readers of Lincoln Talk.
>
> Barbara Low
> --
> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Tamika
> Mayes 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2021 2:42 PM
> *To:* Susan Taylor 
> *Cc:* LincolnTalk.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Next school COVID tests Monday
>
> Isn't the intended for parents only for children who participate in the
> program? Why is this allowed to be posted here?
>
> Tamika M.
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 1:40 PM Susan Taylor  wrote:
>
> We have received all results from this week’s COVID-19 routine weekly
> testing for the Lincoln PreK-Grade8 campus. *No pools returned a positive
> result this week.*
>
> Each week, during the course of the weekly routine testing cycle, if any
> pool returns a positive or inconclusive result, the families of the
> students in the pool and the staff in the pool will be immediately
> notified. When all results have been received for the week, all members of
> the campus community will receive a weekly testing report.
>
> *Please Note: *Because next week is short due to winter break, regular
> weekly *testing will occur next week on Monday 12/20*, instead of the
> normal Tuesday schedule, to provide enough time for pool testing and any
> necessary reflex testing and contact tracing.
>
> *Weekly Lincoln COVID-19 Testing Report*
> *Test Date: Tuesday 12/14*
>
> *Test results:*
> 81 pools tested
> 0 pools returned a positive result
> 0 individuals returned a positive result in follow-up PCR testing
>
> 618 individual pool participants
> 96% student participation rate*
>
> For more information, please visit our LPS COVID-19 Data Dashboard
> 
> .
>
> ** Percentage of in-person students who have not tested positive
> for COVID-19 in the past 90 days who have registered to participate in the
> pooled testing program.*
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 2 million free rapid Covid tests to 102 low-income communities-Lincoln and Weston made the cut!

[Richard Panetta]

I’ve yet to get a test but have heard if you are ill  it is free but if you
need one for travel you have to pay. Emerson does it for $105

Is this true?



On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:35 PM Tamika Mayes  wrote:

> I agree 100% This pandemic has exposed an ugly side of access to quality
> healthcare to those who live in poor areas.
>
> Tamika M.
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 12:30 PM Carol Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Testing should be free for everyone !
>> It is a shameful portrayal  of our society that this is viewed as a
>> competition.
>> Not exactly a message of goodwill.
>>
>> Carol Ryan
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> A tale of (at least) 2 Lincoln’s
>>
>> Income Distribution info from 2017 community data+ St. Vincent dePaul at
>> working to meet growing needs (current)
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 7:37 AM, Jason Lee > > wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> I certainly agree with the sentiment and I’m happy Lincoln can provide
>> free Covid tests to the town’s low income residents. But the “we beat out”
>> 2/3rds of other towns and cities in MA took me aback.  Lincoln rates 13/299
>> in per capita income.
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Massachusetts_locations_by_per_capita_income#Cities_and_Towns
>> Stay safe , good health to all, and happy holidays!
>> Jason Lee
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Stephanie Smoot > > wrote:
>>
>> 
>>   Thats great that we got free covid tests for our low-income residents
>> and beat out 250 of our 351 towns & cities  in Massachusetts.   This
>> holiday season, help someone who needs one get a free Covid test.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> *Stephanie Smoot*
>>
>> 857 368-9175  work
>> 781 941-6842  personal cell
>> *617 595-5217 *work cell
>> 126 Chestnut Circle
>> 
>> Lincoln, MA 01773
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:55 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> "Gov. Charlie Baker said his administration will deliver over 2 million
>>> free rapid Covid tests to 102 low-income communities
>>> ...
>>>
>>> "Massachusetts has secured 2..1 million iHealth Labs over the counter
>>> (OTC) at-home rapid antigen tests. These kits will be delivered later this
>>> week to more than 100 municipalities with a larger proportion of families
>>> facing financial hardship"
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-self-test-distribution#how-communities-were-selected-
>>>
>>>
>>> Sara
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[LincolnTalk] Fees for Town Online Bills

[Richard Panetta]

Went online to pay my water bill and noticed a fee of $2.50 for submitting
a CC payment. Is this new or has that always been there, as I do not
remember that fee.

I know there has been a .50 cent fee for echeck which is why I usually did
the CC payment. Perhaps I am just not remembering or missed that fee in the
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Plans for South Lincoln

[Richard Panetta]

This might be a question for Rep Stanley but the wording doesn’t seem
right. The quote says serves, like it currently is. Which makes it
misleading. I think “ with the potential to serve” would have made it
less confusing

Rich

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 6:33 PM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> The grant is for design and engineering of an expanded waste water
> treatment plant  (septic system) in South Lincoln. It is the next step in
> telling us what can and can not be done with the existing system. As many
> of you correctly pointed out in earlier discussions, we need to understand
> what the current septic system in South Lincoln can and can not handle
> before bringing any proposals before the town. This has been the focus of
> SLPAC over the past 6 months or so.
>
> The 125 unit number comes from the preliminary analysis of what might be
> possible. It's all about the septic system and septic system regulations
> and requirements. There is no current 125 unit proposal. This is not unlike
> a house lot that is advertised "6 bedroom septic approved" - the house that
> gets built may or may not have six bedrooms.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:43 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> What is the 125 unit expansion?
>> When did that get discussed and approved?
>> And what “ Mall redevelopment?”
>>
>> Has Rep. Stanley been meeting with some in town on this project?
>>
>> Inquiring minds want to know… at least this one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:17 PM, Deborah Howe via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > Rep. Stanley's news email today announces the Town receiving a $400,000
>> grant to upgrade the Farm Field waterwater treatment plant that currently
>> serves the Mall and Lincoln Woods; the upgraded facility will also support
>> mixed-use redevelopment in whatever form it's going to take.  I followed
>> the South Lincoln segment of the State of the Town meeting last week, but
>> hadn't heard about this grant -- did I miss a Town announcement?
>> >
>> > According to Rep. Stanley, "Lincoln will receive $400,000 to create
>> design and engineering plans to expand an existing wastewater treatment
>> plant that services the Mall in the Village Center and a 125-unit mixed
>> income residential property. The expansion will support Mall redevelopment
>> to include mixed-use on a site adjacent to the Lincoln Commuter Rail
>> station."
>> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Plans for South Lincoln

[Richard Panetta]

It states services, as in currently. So my guess is they are referring to
Lincoln Woods as the 125 mixed income property not a future development



On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:43 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> What is the 125 unit expansion?
> When did that get discussed and approved?
> And what “ Mall redevelopment?”
>
> Has Rep. Stanley been meeting with some in town on this project?
>
> Inquiring minds want to know… at least this one.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 16, 2021, at 2:17 PM, Deborah Howe via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Rep. Stanley's news email today announces the Town receiving a $400,000
> grant to upgrade the Farm Field waterwater treatment plant that currently
> serves the Mall and Lincoln Woods; the upgraded facility will also support
> mixed-use redevelopment in whatever form it's going to take.  I followed
> the South Lincoln segment of the State of the Town meeting last week, but
> hadn't heard about this grant -- did I miss a Town announcement?
> >
> > According to Rep. Stanley, "Lincoln will receive $400,000 to create
> design and engineering plans to expand an existing wastewater treatment
> plant that services the Mall in the Village Center and a 125-unit mixed
> income residential property. The expansion will support Mall redevelopment
> to include mixed-use on a site adjacent to the Lincoln Commuter Rail
> station."
> >
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[LincolnTalk] Special town meeting

[Richard Panetta]

Missed the BOS meeting last night. Anyone know why we are in need of a
special town meeting?
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[LincolnTalk] COA newsletter

[Richard Panetta]

Does anyone know if the COA newsletter comes from the town itself or from
the friends of COA?

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[LincolnTalk] Storm outage

[Richard Panetta]

Good morning,

I hope everyone got through the storm okay.

I am wondering if anyone had any issues with Comcast last night? I lost
internet and my tv reception was garbled similar to satellite reception in
a bad storm.

Just want to know if I need to call Comcast for a potential problem with my
line or if it was due to storm.

Everything is back to normal now it seems

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