Re: lingo-l List archives?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 05:43 PM, Robert Tweed wrote: Does the header include some specific legal information regarding the from header? It's not the from part -- there's a message in the header itself that, if copied by an unapproved user (i.e. spammer), they can sue about. It's been a while since I even looked at the company's info site, which is too bad because if I could remember what it was I'd point you to it so you could look over the details yourself. :\ -- WthmO [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
lingo-l List archives?
Hi list, Is there a searchable archive of this list available somewhere? I need to find a special mail which got lost in my own archive. TIA, Florian [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
RE: lingo-l List archives?
Is there a searchable archive of this list available somewhere? I need to find a special mail which got lost in my own archive. the headers say: http://mail4.fcgnetworks.net/archives/lingo-l/ I also have this bookmarked: http://www.mail-archive.com/lingo-l;penworks.com/ Brad [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
Am 25.10.2002 10:51 Uhr schrieb Brad Hile unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a searchable archive of this list available somewhere? I need to find a special mail which got lost in my own archive. the headers say: http://mail4.fcgnetworks.net/archives/lingo-l/ I also have this bookmarked: http://www.mail-archive.com/lingo-l;penworks.com/ Sorry, I don't get this header. And on penworks there is no link to an archive. Thank you very much Florian Brad [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
At 11:12 AM 10/25/2002 +0200, you wrote: Am 25.10.2002 10:51 Uhr schrieb Brad Hile unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a searchable archive of this list available somewhere? I need to find a special mail which got lost in my own archive. the headers say: http://mail4.fcgnetworks.net/archives/lingo-l/ I also have this bookmarked: http://www.mail-archive.com/lingo-l;penworks.com/ Sorry, I don't get this header. And on penworks there is no link to an archive. Thank you very much Florian you probably get it, but your mail program probably hides it. roymeo Brad [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 04:12 AM, Florian Bogeschdorfer wrote: Sorry, I don't get this header. And on penworks there is no link to an archive. Thank you very much You can see it if you set your mail program to show all header contents. That stuff is normally kept hidden, but when you do a show all you can see all the links. -- WthmO [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
- Original Message - From: Howdy-Tzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can see it if you set your mail program to show all header contents. That stuff is normally kept hidden, but when you do a show all you can see all the links. Hmm, I also assumed you mistakenly said header instead of footer. I wonder why the link isn't in the standard footer that is appended to every message instead of hiding it in the headers? How many people (apart from trolls) put useful information in the message headers? I'd never have thought to look there if you hadn't mentioned it. - Robert [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 01:27 PM, Robert Tweed wrote: Hmm, I also assumed you mistakenly said header instead of footer. I wonder why the link isn't in the standard footer that is appended to every message instead of hiding it in the headers? I think because Tab hasn't got around to updating it yet. ;) How many people (apart from trolls) put useful information in the message headers? It's actually becoming a somewhat common practice for listserv engines. I think about a third of the lists I've subbed to have something like it in place, and more will probably follow as the technology becomes more common. I don't know what the rationale is for putting it into the header, unless it's to ensure a spammer would have to have a legitimate address and account before he could do his nefarious evil deeds, thus spamming himself in the process. I'd never have thought to look there if you hadn't mentioned it. Yes, that's the downside to it. ;) -- WthmO [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
Sorry, I don't get this header. And on penworks there is no link to an archive. Thank you very much The headers don't mention archives, just list maintenance. But, it's on the same page. To search, you'll have to download the full archive and search it yourself (via Lingo is one way ;)) http://mail4.fcgnetworks.net/archives/lingo-l/ [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
- Original Message - From: Howdy-Tzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... instead of hiding it in the headers? I think because Tab hasn't got around to updating it yet. ;) Spot the subtle hint, heh ;-) How many people (apart from trolls) put useful information in the message headers? It's actually becoming a somewhat common practice for listserv engines. Interesting, I'll need to check all my list messages to see how many of them have got the same headers. Maybe we someone could write a mail client (in Lingo? :) that can automatically display the links from the headers when reading messages from that list (little unsubscribe, archive buttons in the corner of the window). In fact, if only they could add similar headers to spam... - Robert [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 03:12 PM, Robert Tweed wrote: In fact, if only they could add similar headers to spam... Funny you should mention that. There's a company online now (I don't recall the name) that allows subscribers to their service (it's free for individual use) send email through their system more or less securely; the mail sent has *copyrighted* haiku embedded in its headers. The only way a spammer could have such headers (they'd suspend spammers' accounts, of course) is if s/he stole the header content, which would be a violation of copyright law and open the spammer to conventional prosecution. Which the company promises to undertake. The theory is you get a serverside script that looks for the header content and lets it through if it's there, because it's not spam. -- WthmO [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
- Original Message - From: Howdy-Tzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, if only they could add similar headers to spam... Funny you should mention that. There's a company online now (I don't recall the name) that allows subscribers to their service (it's free for individual use) send email through their system more or less securely; the mail sent has *copyrighted* haiku embedded in its headers. Nice idea in some ways. Unfortunately it has some dodgy implications for legitimate users, so I'm not so sure I'd be happy about that myself. I mean, if I email you a piece of code, would they immediately aquire the copyright? - Robert [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 04:57 PM, Robert Tweed wrote: Funny you should mention that. There's a company online now (I don't recall the name) that allows subscribers to their service (it's free for individual use) send email through their system more or less securely; the mail sent has *copyrighted* haiku embedded in its headers. Nice idea in some ways. Unfortunately it has some dodgy implications for legitimate users, so I'm not so sure I'd be happy about that myself. I mean, if I email you a piece of code, would they immediately aquire the copyright? No, they own the copyright only on the header content. The point is not to control email body; the point is to present a header that cannot legally be forged, thus allowing spam-detection scripts to work more effectively. -- WthmO [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: lingo-l List archives?
- Original Message - From: Howdy-Tzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, they own the copyright only on the header content. The point is not to control email body; the point is to present a header that cannot legally be forged, thus allowing spam-detection scripts to work more effectively. Couldn't it be argued that if they don't own the copyright on content that isn't theirs (i.e., anything that they would not normally own the copyright to) then they don't own the copyright to the email address, forged or otherwise, regardless of their copyright notice? Does the header include some specific legal information regarding the from header? - Robert [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
