Re: lingo-l Oh my... QT in shockwave

2002-11-28 Thread ice
Put them as bare files in same root as the www-page startup. (Starts to search 
from there..if not said path..). The authoring and real use are two different 
styles in reactions. Have that in mind. You're not getting what you see in 
shipping it to web. DCR-way is a bit young yet...
Makes it easier to investigate from there, hopefully.

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Quoting Andreas Gaunitz P11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Dear list,
 
 
 I've been trying to play (stream) Quicktime movies in a shockwave 
 movie for 2 days. I can't get them to play. I've tried most things I 
 can imagine among others:
 
 - Just put them on stage
 - Import small referrence movies instead of the real ones, then put 
 the dcr on server (I don't know why but I read about it in a Technote)
 - start with movie paused, allow some time, then make it play
 - preloadNetThing, then set member.filename to the preloaded thing. 
 This is the most successful technique so far, but it's difficult to 
 use with the sprite layout of the project (that I didn't invent) and 
 I want them to stream, not download first...
 - etc
 
 Symptoms:
 Some movs show only the first frame but don't play. Movs don't show 
 at all. Movs show only a white square.
 


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Re: lingo-l Oh my... QT in shockwave

2002-11-28 Thread ifmp
RE:
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From: Andreas Gaunitz P11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: lingo-l Oh my... QT in shockwave
Date: Thu, Nov 28, 2002, 3:57 AM

I've been trying to play (stream) Quicktime movies in a shockwave 
movie for 2 days. I can't get them to play. I've tried most things I 
can imagine among others:

Symptoms:
Some movs show only the first frame but don't play. Movs don't show 
at all. Movs show only a white square.

Platform:
QT 5, D8.5, Mac, IE5, Netscace 4.7, sorensson.


If you are testing locally, make sure everything's in a dswmedia
folder as per your Director documentation. Also, the data rate of the
QuickTime movies is probably way too high when you try to run the video
over a web connection.

What is the average data rate of the QuickTime movies you are using? You
can find this by opening the movie info dialog in QuickTime Player
Pro. For a video clip to stream (start playing right away) over a 56k
dialup connection, it would have to have an overall data rate of around
3.5 - 4.0 KBytes/sec (that's video AND sound). Getting it that low takes
a compression application like Cleaner and some real skill. By
contrast, an ordinary DV format video clip (that you'd play on a TV set)
has a data rate of around 3.5 MB/sec! That means if you try to stream
a video clip at that data rate over a 56k modem connection, you have
about a thousand times too much data. You can't really get around that
obstacle with a few lines of Lingo - you need to do some work on the
video clips themselves first.

So you need to have the data rate way down, but still retain as much
image quality as possible. You can do this with QT Player Pro or any
number of video editing applications, but Cleaner (formerly owned by
Terran, now Discreet) is much better.


Do you happen to know where to find a simple turtorial of how to stream QT!?!
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MM has various technotes on that. For just the QT part, the book
QuickTime For The Web is a very good reference.



Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net











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Re: lingo-l Oh my... QT in shockwave

2002-11-28 Thread Andreas Gaunitz P11
From: Andreas Gaunitz P11 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



I've been trying to play (stream) Quicktime movies in a shockwave
movie for 2 days. I can't get them to play. I've tried most things I
can imagine among others:



Symptoms:
Some movs show only the first frame but don't play. Movs don't show
at all. Movs show only a white square.

Platform:
QT 5, D8.5, Mac, IE5, Netscace 4.7, sorensson.



If you are testing locally, make sure everything's in a dswmedia
folder as per your Director documentation. Also, the data rate of the
QuickTime movies is probably way too high when you try to run the video
over a web connection.


Thanks for your reply. It works locally as in preview in browser. 
It does not work when on a www server.


What is the average data rate of the QuickTime movies you are using? You
can find this by opening the movie info dialog in QuickTime Player
Pro. For a video clip to stream (start playing right away) over a 56k
dialup connection, it would have to have an overall data rate of around
3.5 - 4.0 KBytes/sec (that's video AND sound). Getting it that low takes
a compression application like Cleaner and some real skill. By
contrast, an ordinary DV format video clip (that you'd play on a TV set)
has a data rate of around 3.5 MB/sec! That means if you try to stream
a video clip at that data rate over a 56k modem connection, you have
about a thousand times too much data. You can't really get around that
obstacle with a few lines of Lingo - you need to do some work on the
video clips themselves first.


OK, but this is not exactly the case. Its 380 x 180 pixels, data rate 
140 K/sec. But we have a MAJOR internet connection at this 
university. Maybe it's the data rate anyway? I can't do very much 
about the movies right now, need to talk to the woman that submitted 
them first. We don't have Cleaner, so I need to import them into 
Premiere and render them from there, or use good old Movieplayer Pro.




Do you happen to know where to find a simple turtorial of how to stream QT!?!

---

MM has various technotes on that. For just the QT part, the book
QuickTime For The Web is a very good reference.

Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net


Yeah I've tried everything in at least 5 technotes, dating as far back as D6.5.

I'll try to lower the data rate severely though, just for testing's 
sake. What points to the data rate sollution is that it works a lot 
better if I use the preloadNetThing and wait 'til it's done before 
starting playback. Now that I think of it, those preloads seem to 
take way longer than the actual duration of the clips, so I guess 
streaming is not a possibility, he he.


OK, thanks.

-A.


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