[LINK] ACCAN submission to USO review

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... (ACCAN) has proposed an expanded scope for the USO, broader 
affordability measures and changes to ensure greater inclusion for 
people with a disability. The proposed changes would ensure that all 
consumers have access to essential communications services.


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[Jan Whitaker]

At 11:50 AM 5/08/2016, Roger Clarke you wrote:
>>FireFox:
>>
>>   AdBlock Plus (and turn off their exceptions)
>>   Ghostery
>>   PrivacyBadger
>>   NoScript
>>
>>If you are a Chrome user, uninstall it and install Chromium instead.
>>They are the same browser, but Chrome has Google's privacy-hostile
>>"enhancements".
>>
>>Chrome/Chromium has the first three, need to find something else to
>>replace the last. 


With additional help from Brenda, I went ahead with Chromium. It feels faster. 
That's a good thing.

I added all the above and substituted Scriptsafe for Noscript as it had the 
most downloads.

This is all experimental for me. I don't think I'll recommend to the members 
just yet.

Jan



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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Kim Holburn]

Adblock Plus
BetterPrivacy - Control Super COokies
CookieMonster - Control cookies
Disable clipboard manipulations - did you know your browser can just … ?
Ghostery
HTML Video Everywhere - I don’t use flash on my main browser any more.
No Resource URI Leak 
Nuke Anything Enhanced - gets rid of annoying things on a page.
Policeman - better than noscript and Policy Request together
Privacy Badger
Random Agent Spoofer - just to stop fingerprinting and canvas fingerprinting
Redirector - I hate the way search engines do this thing to catch your clicks
Smart Referer - control over the referer metadata
TrackMeNot - annoy search engines


> On 2016/Aug/05, at 10:03 AM, JanW  wrote:
> 
> At 09:41 AM 5/08/2016, Karl Auer wrote:
>> Running with no cookies and no scripts is an austere, but somehow
>> peaceful web experience. 
> 
> Ad Block is a must as well, for safety as much as anything. 
> 
> Speaking of --
> 
> I'm doing a talk on "safe(R) computing" for our club next week. 
> 
> I wouldn't mind suggestions of the top 2 or 3 "must include" recommendations 
> from Linkers.
> 
> Email me privately if you don't want to fill up the Link list:
> jw...@internode.on.net
> 
> I'll compile and report back any response results I get before say next 
> Wednesday.
> 
> Thanks!
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> I write books. http://janwhitaker.com/?page_id=8
> 
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> Blog: www.janwhitaker.com 
> 
> Some psychopaths become serial killers, and other psychopaths become 
> prosecutors. - Bob Ruff, Truth and Justice, June 2016
> 
> Sooner or later, I hate to break it to you, you're gonna die, so how do you 
> fill in the space between here and there? It's yours. Seize your space. 
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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Jan Whitaker]

At 11:55 AM 5/08/2016, David Lochrin wrote:

>I don't know what the solution for the Computer Club is, Jan.  Maybe you could 
>just deal with one small area at a time?  It would depend on their level of 
>understanding.

Exactly. 

So far I have this:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/do-this-one-hour-security-drill-5-steps-to-being-safer-online-1454528541

Block 3rd Party Cookies

I managed to get Lightbeam to work in Pale Moon a little. At least it shows the 
range of connections.

How to get the new CCleaner versions

They already know about Malware Bytes.

Safer Download
http://askbobrankin.com/downloading_watch_out_for_these_danger_signs.html

Safer updates via NiNite
http://askbobrankin.com/finally_the_end_of_next_next_next.html

"Rules for Safer Computing"
http://www.brucebnews.com/2016/01/rules-for-computer-safety-2016/


It's always a challenge, but becoming moreso, as the range of OS's involved is 
now including Win10, which I don't have. Plus some of our members equate 
Internet to Webbrowser, email, about anything they 'click'. 

The best I can usually do is expose them to resources, pointing out the 
highlights, and then send them the links to try in their own environments.

Cheers,
Jan



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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[David Lochrin]

On 2016-08-05 11:19 Karl Auer wrote:

>> [Jan] This is a miss for me. Won't help our beginner/low intermediate users 
>> whatsoever.
> 
> Sorry to be dismissive. There are a thousand bits of software that take a tad 
> more effort to install than blind clicking on a big green button.
> 
> Carry on with Chrome. Google loves you.

I wondered about that issue!  I think the reality is that any normal user will 
find the process of setting up a secure system way too complex & intimidating.

IMO that includes installation of a firewall (preferably an external one) and 
careful configuration of both it and the browser.  Some firewalls (I think 
including the Windows firewall) allow default access by every online game known 
to humanity and remote-support access, which I suppose minimises the support 
load.  Fortunately the Firefox browser is highly configurable using 
"about:config", but it allows third-party cookies and automatic updates by 
default.

What's needed is a one-click installation package which includes a browser 
(probably Firefox) and any desirable extensions (such as the EFF Privacy 
Badger), together with a script which runs around the system configuring the 
relevant components.  And the process should allow a back-out.

I don't know what the solution for the Computer Club is, Jan.  Maybe you could 
just deal with one small area at a time?  It would depend on their level of 
understanding.

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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[JanW]

At 11:19 AM 5/08/2016, Karl Auer wrote:

>Carry on with Chrome. Google loves you. 

Chrome is NOT my browser of choice. I use it quite sparingly. 

I don't use bloated FF any more either. 

I avoid IE as much as possible, too. Chrome over that, without logging in. So 
no, Google can get stuffed. I avoid their search engine as well.

I use Pale Moon recommended by Irene Graham.

I asked for software/safer participation suggestions. Things that require 
manual updating (although that is MY choice for myself) is not a good choice 
for low-knowledge users. Installing from a zip file is also not a good choice 
for them.

Next?

Jan


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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Peter Batchelor]

Jan,
the Lightbeam addon for Firefox is a great way to show connections and data 
sharing between the sites you’ve visited.
I used it in a club talk a few months ago to demonstrate just how much 
information most people are giving away…
Peter

> On 5 Aug 2016, at 10:03 AM, JanW  wrote:
> 
> At 09:41 AM 5/08/2016, Karl Auer wrote:
>> Running with no cookies and no scripts is an austere, but somehow
>> peaceful web experience. 
> 
> Ad Block is a must as well, for safety as much as anything. 
> 
> Speaking of --
> 
> I'm doing a talk on "safe(R) computing" for our club next week. 
> 
> I wouldn't mind suggestions of the top 2 or 3 "must include" recommendations 
> from Linkers.
> 
> Email me privately if you don't want to fill up the Link list:
> jw...@internode.on.net
> 
> I'll compile and report back any response results I get before say next 
> Wednesday.
> 
> Thanks!
> Jan
> 
> 
> 
> I write books. http://janwhitaker.com/?page_id=8
> 
> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
> jw...@janwhitaker.com
> Twitter: JL_Whitaker
> Blog: www.janwhitaker.com 
> 
> Some psychopaths become serial killers, and other psychopaths become 
> prosecutors. - Bob Ruff, Truth and Justice, June 2016
> 
> Sooner or later, I hate to break it to you, you're gonna die, so how do you 
> fill in the space between here and there? It's yours. Seize your space. 
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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Karl Auer]

On Fri, 2016-08-05 at 10:53 +1000, JanW wrote:
> Chromium website doesn't have an obvious link to the actual software.
> Seems they call them 'builds'. 

OK. It's in the Ubuntu repositories and has been for years, so in my
case it's just a simple install.

There are a zillion download sites that do have Windows images.
download.cnet.com?

> This is a miss for me. Won't help our beginner/low intermediate users
> whatsoever.

Sorry to be dismissive. There are a thousand bits of software that take
a tad more effort to install than blind clicking on a big green button.

Carry on with Chrome. Google loves you.

Regards, K.

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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[JanW]

At 10:20 AM 5/08/2016, Karl Auer you wrote:
>If you are a Chrome user, uninstall it and install Chromium instead.
>They are the same browser, but Chrome has Google's privacy-hostile
>"enhancements".
>
>Chrome/Chromium has the first three, need to find something else to
>replace the last. 


I went to tucows to get this, clicked the download, but it doesn't. It just 
clicks over to the Chromium site. I thought it was my browser, Pale Moon, so I 
went to Chrome and got the same result. The Chromium website doesn't have an 
obvious link to the actual software. Seems they call them 'builds'. 

Then via search again I found a link to download, which took me back to the 
Chromium project and the actual "build", but it says yes it updates 
automatically, but then in a separate paragraph says it doesn't. That fills me 
with all sorts of confidence - NOT.

This is a miss for me. Won't help our beginner/low intermediate users 
whatsoever.

Jan




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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Bernard Robertson-Dunn]

On 5/08/2016 10:20 AM, Karl Auer wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-08-05 at 10:03 +1000, JanW wrote:
>> I'm doing a talk on "safe(R) computing" for our club next week. 
>> I wouldn't mind suggestions of the top 2 or 3 "must include"
>> recommendations from Linkers.
> FireFox:
>
>AdBlock Plus (and turn off their exceptions)
>Ghostery
>PrivacyBadger
>NoScript
>
> If you are a Chrome user, uninstall it and install Chromium instead.
> They are the same browser, but Chrome has Google's privacy-hostile
> "enhancements".

Do you need to uninstall Chrome?

I run three different browsers (4 if you include Tor) with different
levels of protection. Can I just use Chromium as well?

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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Karl Auer]

On Fri, 2016-08-05 at 10:03 +1000, JanW wrote:
> I'm doing a talk on "safe(R) computing" for our club next week. 
> I wouldn't mind suggestions of the top 2 or 3 "must include"
> recommendations from Linkers.

FireFox:

   AdBlock Plus (and turn off their exceptions)
   Ghostery
   PrivacyBadger
   NoScript

If you are a Chrome user, uninstall it and install Chromium instead.
They are the same browser, but Chrome has Google's privacy-hostile
"enhancements".

Chrome/Chromium has the first three, need to find something else to
replace the last.

Regards, K.

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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[JanW]

At 09:41 AM 5/08/2016, Karl Auer wrote:
>Running with no cookies and no scripts is an austere, but somehow
>peaceful web experience. 

Ad Block is a must as well, for safety as much as anything. 

Speaking of --

I'm doing a talk on "safe(R) computing" for our club next week. 

I wouldn't mind suggestions of the top 2 or 3 "must include" recommendations 
from Linkers.

Email me privately if you don't want to fill up the Link list:
jw...@internode.on.net

I'll compile and report back any response results I get before say next 
Wednesday.

Thanks!
Jan



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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Roger Clarke]

At 9:31 +1000 5/8/16, Marghanita da Cruz wrote:
>Have you tested the census?

What, and join the hundreds of thousands in the queue?  (:-)}

I gather there are more than a few issues, just operationally, leave aside the 
(huge) questions of breach of trust.

Maybe cookies are an issue too.  But, if so, the question arises as to what 
business a government agency has in setting third-party cookies?

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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Karl Auer]

On Fri, 2016-08-05 at 09:31 +1000, Marghanita da Cruz wrote:
> In desperation to get my toll refund, from the NSW RMS I have tried 
> allowing pop ups, flash, third party cookies.
> The support desks suggest I use a different computer!

Write a letter demanding your refund, briefly explaining the technical
difficulties, and providing a bank account number for a deposit and an
address for a cheque. Make it clear that you have exhausted all
reasonable avenue and the ball is now in their court.

Re cookies; Allow all cookies, but clear them often. That gets you the
best of both worlds.

Running with no cookies and no scripts is an austere, but somehow
peaceful web experience.

Regards, K

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Re: [LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Hi Roger,

It isn't just e-life it is normal life.

In desperation to get my toll refund, from the NSW RMS I have tried 
allowing pop ups, flash, third party cookies.

The support desks suggest I use a different computer!

Have you tested the census?

Marghanita

On 05/08/16 09:14, Roger Clarke wrote:

What a surprise - permitting third-party cookies enables an https attack:
http://www.itnews.com.au/news/heist-attack-breaches-https-in-the-browser-432667

I'm sure I miss many carefully-designed 'customer experiences' by blocking 
third-party cookies.  If my e-life is the poorer because of it, I haven't 
noticed.



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[LINK] Why do people permit third-party cookies?

[Roger Clarke]

What a surprise - permitting third-party cookies enables an https attack:
http://www.itnews.com.au/news/heist-attack-breaches-https-in-the-browser-432667

I'm sure I miss many carefully-designed 'customer experiences' by blocking 
third-party cookies.  If my e-life is the poorer because of it, I haven't 
noticed.

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