Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 01:02:39PM -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > Suddenly it's not. I've seen the same thing start happening over the past few month with an organization that forwards my messages to gmail: : 64.233.177.26 failed after I sent the message. Remote host said: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or fails to pass 550-5.7.1 authentication checks. To best protect our users from spam, the 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 550 5.7.1 information. c16si12847421ywk.105 - gsmtp Not good. -- | Ian! D. Allen, BA, MMath - idal...@idallen.ca - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Home: http://idallen.com/ Contact Improv Dance: http://contactimprov.ca/ | College professor (Free/Libre GNU+Linux) at: http://teaching.idallen.com/ | Defend digital freedom: http://eff.org/ and have fun: http://fools.ca/ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
On 2019-01-19 13:51, Rick Leir wrote: > Michel > Sorry, it is not a simple answer. They suggest DKIM, SPF and DMARC for > authentication, and setting these up will take a bit of effort. It is not > clear how Google scores an email to block spam, maybe one of the > authentication systems above would be adequate. Or maybe they are all > required. I've gone through the process to set up DKIM, SPF and DMARC and last I checked I had it right, but things keep evolving... This past week I've had a couple of clues that things also broke too though, so I have to start digging again. > Have you tried forwarding to a yahoo account? It might be easier. I've asked a number of subscribers to mailing lists on my server to choose an account *other* than yahoo because they've broken all mailing lists, including those run by the IETF (ironically). > Rick > > > On January 19, 2019 1:02:39 PM EST, "Michael P. Soulier" > wrote: > >So, I help our my sister's business by handling her domain. For some > >time she has paid for a virtual server with westhost.com, and on it, I > >have a simple forward rule in /etc/aliases for her business account to > >her gmail account, as she requested. > > > >trish: tsoul...@gmail.com > >petservices: trish > > > >So someone emailing petservi...@pawsitiveapproach.ca will result in a > >forward to tsoul...@gmail.com. This has been working fine. > > > >Suddenly it's not. > > > > - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > >tsoul...@gmail.com > >(reason: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication > >information or fails to pass) > >(expanded from: trish) > > > > - Transcript of session follows - > >... while talking to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.: > DATA > ><<< 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or > >fails to pass > ><<< 550-5.7.1 authentication checks. To best protect our users from > >spam, the > ><<< 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit > ><<< 550-5.7.1 > >https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more > ><<< 550 5.7.1 information. s3si2560808iom.144 - gsmtp > >554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > > > >I don't understand why google is asking for authentication for a simple > >forward. We're not relaying, we're forwarding. > > > >I'm in the middle of moving her nameservers to use my config at > >digitalocean so I can better control her setup, but I've had the same > >issue there with a simple mail forward so I'm asking. > > > >If I use postfix' virtual hosting, then that works. But why would a > >simple /etc/aliases forward be rejected? > > > >Help appreciated. Google's explanation is not helpful, at least to me. > > > >Mike slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
I had an issue where my domain name provider did not maintain their machine's reverse DNS in a timely fashion.I am with a different provider now, who also provides web hosting. Replies are sent to my email address at echlin.ca and bounce if the email server at the DNS provider does not have the correct reverse dns. This was important despite the fact that all my email messages originate from yahoo.Not sure if this is relevant to your problem. All my very best,Rob On Saturday, January 19, 2019, 4:13:53 p.m. EST, Rick Leir wrote: Michael, The reverse DNS is also mentioned in the Google help page. Your reverse DNS seems to be wrong. HTH -- Rick On January 19, 2019 1:02:39 PM EST, "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: So, I help our my sister's business by handling her domain. For some time she has paid for a virtual server with westhost.com, and on it, I have a simple forward rule in /etc/aliases for her business account to her gmail account, as she requested. trish: tsoul...@gmail.com petservices: trish So someone emailing petservi...@pawsitiveapproach.ca will result in a forward to tsoul...@gmail.com. This has been working fine. Suddenly it's not. - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - tsoul...@gmail.com (reason: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or fails to pass) (expanded from: trish) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.: DATA <<< 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or fails to pass <<< 550-5.7.1 authentication checks. To best protect our users from spam, the <<< 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit <<< 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more <<< 550 5.7.1 information. s3si2560808iom.144 - gsmtp 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable I don't understand why google is asking for authentication for a simple forward. We're not relaying, we're forwarding. I'm in the middle of moving her nameservers to use my config at digitalocean so I can better control her setup, but I've had the same issue there with a simple mail forward so I'm asking. If I use postfix' virtual hosting, then that works. But why would a simple /etc/aliases forward be rejected? Help appreciated. Google's explanation is not helpful, at least to me. Mike To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
[linux] Anyone else on Mastodon?
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Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
Michael, The reverse DNS is also mentioned in the Google help page. Your reverse DNS seems to be wrong. HTH -- Rick On January 19, 2019 1:02:39 PM EST, "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: >So, I help our my sister's business by handling her domain. For some >time she has paid for a virtual server with westhost.com, and on it, I >have a simple forward rule in /etc/aliases for her business account to >her gmail account, as she requested. > >trish: tsoul...@gmail.com >petservices: trish > >So someone emailing petservi...@pawsitiveapproach.ca will result in a >forward to tsoul...@gmail.com. This has been working fine. > >Suddenly it's not. > > - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - >tsoul...@gmail.com >(reason: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication >information or fails to pass) >(expanded from: trish) > > - Transcript of session follows - >... while talking to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.: DATA ><<< 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or >fails to pass ><<< 550-5.7.1 authentication checks. To best protect our users from >spam, the ><<< 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit ><<< 550-5.7.1 >https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more ><<< 550 5.7.1 information. s3si2560808iom.144 - gsmtp >554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > >I don't understand why google is asking for authentication for a simple >forward. We're not relaying, we're forwarding. > >I'm in the middle of moving her nameservers to use my config at >digitalocean so I can better control her setup, but I've had the same >issue there with a simple mail forward so I'm asking. > >If I use postfix' virtual hosting, then that works. But why would a >simple /etc/aliases forward be rejected? > >Help appreciated. Google's explanation is not helpful, at least to me. > >Mike > >To unsubscribe send a blank message to >linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:02:39 -0500 "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: >- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > tsoul...@gmail.com > (reason: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication > information or fails to pass) > (expanded from: trish) Most likely SPF is broken and Google is complaining. The only way around this is to use SRS (Sender Rewriting Scheme) on your end; Google (!) it. SRS is a bit of a bear to set up. Frwarding mail to a machine outside of your control is essentially broken due to relatively widespread adoption of SPF and DMARC, despite the fact that those protocols have done nothing to reduce spam or effectively improve email security. :( Welcome to 2019. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
On 2019-01-19 1:51 p.m., Rick Leir wrote: > Michel > Sorry, it is not a simple answer. They suggest DKIM, SPF and DMARC for > authentication, and setting these up will take a bit of effort. It is > not clear how Google scores an email to block spam, maybe one of the > authentication systems above would be adequate. Or maybe they are all > required. My fallback is to not forward and set her up with a mailbox, but I'd like to understand why it's failing. I don't see how any of the above methods could work as all sending domains would need to set them up, which is not practical. I don't see what google is accomplishing here beyond pushing people to other services. Mike To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
It might be overkill, but if the business has email requirements that grow beyond forwarding the mail for a single email address, you might consider installing mailinabox on that virtual server (or another one). It will handle the email nicely and the management interface is simple, so you could probably pass it back to your sister. And it will handle the use-case of forwarding mail to GMail. Tim On 2019-01-19 1:02 p.m., Michael P. Soulier wrote: So, I help our my sister's business by handling her domain. For some time she has paid for a virtual server with westhost.com, and on it, I have a simple forward rule in /etc/aliases for her business account to her gmail account, as she requested. trish: tsoul...@gmail.com petservices: trish So someone emailing petservi...@pawsitiveapproach.ca will result in a forward to tsoul...@gmail.com. This has been working fine. Suddenly it's not. - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - tsoul...@gmail.com (reason: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or fails to pass) (expanded from: trish) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.: DATA <<< 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or fails to pass <<< 550-5.7.1 authentication checks. To best protect our users from spam, the <<< 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit <<< 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more <<< 550 5.7.1 information. s3si2560808iom.144 - gsmtp 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable I don't understand why google is asking for authentication for a simple forward. We're not relaying, we're forwarding. I'm in the middle of moving her nameservers to use my config at digitalocean so I can better control her setup, but I've had the same issue there with a simple mail forward so I'm asking. If I use postfix' virtual hosting, then that works. But why would a simple /etc/aliases forward be rejected? Help appreciated. Google's explanation is not helpful, at least to me. Mike To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] forwarding to a gmail account
Michel Sorry, it is not a simple answer. They suggest DKIM, SPF and DMARC for authentication, and setting these up will take a bit of effort. It is not clear how Google scores an email to block spam, maybe one of the authentication systems above would be adequate. Or maybe they are all required. Have you tried forwarding to a yahoo account? It might be easier. Rick On January 19, 2019 1:02:39 PM EST, "Michael P. Soulier" wrote: >So, I help our my sister's business by handling her domain. For some >time she has paid for a virtual server with westhost.com, and on it, I >have a simple forward rule in /etc/aliases for her business account to >her gmail account, as she requested. > >trish: tsoul...@gmail.com >petservices: trish > >So someone emailing petservi...@pawsitiveapproach.ca will result in a >forward to tsoul...@gmail.com. This has been working fine. > >Suddenly it's not. > > - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - >tsoul...@gmail.com >(reason: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication >information or fails to pass) >(expanded from: trish) > > - Transcript of session follows - >... while talking to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.: DATA ><<< 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or >fails to pass ><<< 550-5.7.1 authentication checks. To best protect our users from >spam, the ><<< 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit ><<< 550-5.7.1 >https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more ><<< 550 5.7.1 information. s3si2560808iom.144 - gsmtp >554 5.0.0 Service unavailable > >I don't understand why google is asking for authentication for a simple >forward. We're not relaying, we're forwarding. > >I'm in the middle of moving her nameservers to use my config at >digitalocean so I can better control her setup, but I've had the same >issue there with a simple mail forward so I'm asking. > >If I use postfix' virtual hosting, then that works. But why would a >simple /etc/aliases forward be rejected? > >Help appreciated. Google's explanation is not helpful, at least to me. > >Mike > >To unsubscribe send a blank message to >linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
[linux] forwarding to a gmail account
So, I help our my sister's business by handling her domain. For some time she has paid for a virtual server with westhost.com, and on it, I have a simple forward rule in /etc/aliases for her business account to her gmail account, as she requested. trish: tsoul...@gmail.com petservices: trish So someone emailing petservi...@pawsitiveapproach.ca will result in a forward to tsoul...@gmail.com. This has been working fine. Suddenly it's not. - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - tsoul...@gmail.com (reason: 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or fails to pass) (expanded from: trish) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com.: >>> DATA <<< 550-5.7.1 This message does not have authentication information or fails to pass <<< 550-5.7.1 authentication checks. To best protect our users from spam, the <<< 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit <<< 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more <<< 550 5.7.1 information. s3si2560808iom.144 - gsmtp 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable I don't understand why google is asking for authentication for a simple forward. We're not relaying, we're forwarding. I'm in the middle of moving her nameservers to use my config at digitalocean so I can better control her setup, but I've had the same issue there with a simple mail forward so I'm asking. If I use postfix' virtual hosting, then that works. But why would a simple /etc/aliases forward be rejected? Help appreciated. Google's explanation is not helpful, at least to me. Mike To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
