[linux] November Meeting: 2019-11-07 @ 18:30

[Scott Murphy]

Location: We will be in the Centennial Library, starting at 18:30. 

We will be in this location until January of 2020. The Centennial Library is at
3870 Old Richmond Rd. in Bells Corners. Bus routes 88, 9, and 256 are listed as
servicing that area. Note that we will be done by 20:30, as this library closes
earlier than the other location.

Discussions:
- Scott Murphy will talk about provisioning your personal systems with ansible.
- Robert Day and John Nash will lead a discussion on using git

We also have to set and tear down, so we need to finish a few minutes early to 
be out of the room for 20:30

There will be a half hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 18:30 for people who 
are new to Linux, have general questions, or wish to help out with people just 
getting started.

After the meeting, there could be an optional social event at one of the nearby 
pubs or restaurants. A short discussion and vote as to location will be taken 
then.

After the talks, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. This is a 
monthly offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can go from there. 
Bring some kind of photo ID and some keyslips if you expect people to sign your 
key. If you need some method of creating pages of keyslips, there is an online 
slip generator available at http://openpgp.quelltextlich.at/slip.html

Note: New speakers welcome. If you have a topic or know someone who may have a 
good topic for a meeting, feel free to suggest it to the board.


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Re: [linux] My recommendation for a .ca registrar

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On 2019-10-31 19:39, Brett Delmage wrote:
> I had a ticket today with my domain registrar, Namespro.ca, to transfer out
> a domain I am getting rid of (to my city councillor whom I keep getting
> misdirected emails for)
> 
> Namespro.ca was prompt, friendly, and businesslike about unlocking the
> domain and providing the EPP transfer code. Another terrible (Ottawa-based,
> sadly) registrar tried to hold my domains hostage years ago.
> 
> As far as I can tell, Namespro.ca is one of a few registrars who supports
> ipv6  and DNSSEC DS records, both which I use on several domains. I
> thought I'd mention them in case anyone is looking for a .ca domain
> registrar that supports these and that is consistently responsive. (My
> search at CIRA showed very few, and they were more expensive.)

I switched to baremetal.ca for similar reasons and have been quite
satisfied with their service.

> Brett

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[linux] My recommendation for a .ca registrar

[Brett Delmage]

I had a ticket today with my domain registrar, Namespro.ca, to transfer 
out a domain I am getting rid of (to my city councillor whom I keep 
getting misdirected emails for)


Namespro.ca was prompt, friendly, and businesslike about unlocking the 
domain and providing the EPP transfer code. Another terrible 
(Ottawa-based, sadly) registrar tried to hold my domains hostage years 
ago.


As far as I can tell, Namespro.ca is one of a few registrars who 
supports ipv6  and DNSSEC DS records, both which I use on several 
domains. I thought I'd mention them in case anyone is looking for a .ca 
domain registrar that supports these and that is consistently responsive. 
(My search at CIRA showed very few, and they were more expensive.)


Brett

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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[alayne]

I'd be happy to help with coordinating meeting announcements and speakers. 
I've done this before.


Alayne

On Thu, 31 Oct 2019, J C Nash wrote:


As a reminder, we could welcome some new hands on this particular pump.

JN


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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[J C Nash]

As a reminder, we could welcome some new hands on this particular pump.

JN

On 2019-10-31 5:24 p.m., Scott Murphy wrote:
> Typically they get announced when I remember to announce them, as well as 
> when I have info to post. This one could have been announced a few days ago, 
> but I was waiting until tonight to send the email. 
> 
> Sometimes we don’t have a speaker until a day or two before, so I could have 
> a generic meeting announcement, but that is the same as saying that we have a 
> meeting the first Thursday of the month.
> 
> I refuse to use meetup, as it has become painfully expensive to use. You pay 
> by persons signed up, so if a few hundred sign up, we are on the hook for 
> more cash than I am willing to spend. We had one and when it started to cost 
> real money, we stopped using it.
> 
> I can do something a little simpler though. I can add a calendar to the site. 
> It is easy enough to do, as I use if for another group. I may have set 
> portions of it up already, I'll have to check. Anyway, there will be a 
> subscribe link there that provides an ical and other subscription. I could 
> even make it sit on the front page of the web site and have things link back 
> to the wiki. More thought needed here, but there are only so many hours in a 
> day and I have reached saturation. I expect it will get a little calmer soon, 
> but right now I’m rather busied out.
> 
> So for the next meeting, expect the email and website updates to happen 
> tonight.
> 
> Scott
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Rick Leir  wrote:
>>
>> Scott
>> Would you mind reminding me when the upcoming meeting is? From memory, it is 
>> the first Thursday of each month, so it would be... But the neurons are over 
>> committed.
>>
>> If we were a meetup group, then there would be a nice ical file attached to 
>> the announcement email. And we would have new people attending. I am not 
>> pushing for that, but the ical attachment would be nice.
>> Thanks
>> Rick
>> -- 
>> Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[Scott Murphy]

Typically they get announced when I remember to announce them, as well as when 
I have info to post. This one could have been announced a few days ago, but I 
was waiting until tonight to send the email. 

Sometimes we don’t have a speaker until a day or two before, so I could have a 
generic meeting announcement, but that is the same as saying that we have a 
meeting the first Thursday of the month.

I refuse to use meetup, as it has become painfully expensive to use. You pay by 
persons signed up, so if a few hundred sign up, we are on the hook for more 
cash than I am willing to spend. We had one and when it started to cost real 
money, we stopped using it.

I can do something a little simpler though. I can add a calendar to the site. 
It is easy enough to do, as I use if for another group. I may have set portions 
of it up already, I'll have to check. Anyway, there will be a subscribe link 
there that provides an ical and other subscription. I could even make it sit on 
the front page of the web site and have things link back to the wiki. More 
thought needed here, but there are only so many hours in a day and I have 
reached saturation. I expect it will get a little calmer soon, but right now 
I’m rather busied out.

So for the next meeting, expect the email and website updates to happen tonight.

Scott

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Rick Leir  wrote:
> 
> Scott
> Would you mind reminding me when the upcoming meeting is? From memory, it is 
> the first Thursday of each month, so it would be... But the neurons are over 
> committed.
> 
> If we were a meetup group, then there would be a nice ical file attached to 
> the announcement email. And we would have new people attending. I am not 
> pushing for that, but the ical attachment would be nice.
> Thanks
> Rick
> -- 
> Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com


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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[J C Nash]

To try to address this issue, I've just edited the wiki and the index.html. I 
think I changed the mechanism a
bit -- my html skills are a bit outdated. However, there is a pointer to an 
interim agenda on linux-ottawa.org
and wiki.linux-ottawa.org.

I know Scott has a lot on his plate lately. Maybe some others -- particularly 
newbies -- would be interested in
giving some minor help. We could use some new ideas and inspiration, and you 
can suggest topics about which you
want to learn. Come to the early part of the meeting and we'll get started!

Best, JN


On 2019-10-31 12:19 p.m., Aaron Wilcox wrote:
> We were using it at one point, but I think we stopped once our free trial 
> membership ran out. Should be documented in
> the BoD minutes, back from when I was on the board.
> 
> Aaron Wilcox
> 
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 11:15 AM Richard Guy Briggs  > wrote:
> 
> On 2019-10-31 09:59, Rick Leir wrote:
> > Scott
> > Would you mind reminding me when the upcoming meeting is? From memory,
> > it is the first Thursday of each month, so it would be... But the
> > neurons are over committed.
> >
> > If we were a meetup group, then there would be a nice ical file
> > attached to the announcement email. And we would have new people
> > attending. I am not pushing for that, but the ical attachment would be
> > nice.
> 
> Meetup has changed enough with parent company WeWork under financial
> pressure that Meetup has become more and more difficult to justify
> financially.  I don't know where they are headed, but I know of a number
> of groups that have stopped using the platform and others that are
> actively campaigning to find community-friendly alternatives.
> 
> > Rick
> 
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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[Aaron Wilcox]

We were using it at one point, but I think we stopped once our free trial
membership ran out. Should be documented in the BoD minutes, back from when
I was on the board.

Aaron Wilcox

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 11:15 AM Richard Guy Briggs  wrote:

> On 2019-10-31 09:59, Rick Leir wrote:
> > Scott
> > Would you mind reminding me when the upcoming meeting is? From memory,
> > it is the first Thursday of each month, so it would be... But the
> > neurons are over committed.
> >
> > If we were a meetup group, then there would be a nice ical file
> > attached to the announcement email. And we would have new people
> > attending. I am not pushing for that, but the ical attachment would be
> > nice.
>
> Meetup has changed enough with parent company WeWork under financial
> pressure that Meetup has become more and more difficult to justify
> financially.  I don't know where they are headed, but I know of a number
> of groups that have stopped using the platform and others that are
> actively campaigning to find community-friendly alternatives.
>
> > Rick
>
> slainte mhath, RGB
>
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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On 2019-10-31 09:59, Rick Leir wrote:
> Scott
> Would you mind reminding me when the upcoming meeting is? From memory,
> it is the first Thursday of each month, so it would be... But the
> neurons are over committed.
> 
> If we were a meetup group, then there would be a nice ical file
> attached to the announcement email. And we would have new people
> attending. I am not pushing for that, but the ical attachment would be
> nice.

Meetup has changed enough with parent company WeWork under financial
pressure that Meetup has become more and more difficult to justify
financially.  I don't know where they are headed, but I know of a number
of groups that have stopped using the platform and others that are
actively campaigning to find community-friendly alternatives.

> Rick

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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[Rick Leir]

Scott
Would you mind reminding me when the upcoming meeting is? From memory, it is 
the first Thursday of each month, so it would be... But the neurons are over 
committed.

If we were a meetup group, then there would be a nice ical file attached to the 
announcement email. And we would have new people attending. I am not pushing 
for that, but the ical attachment would be nice.
Thanks
Rick
-- 
Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com 

Re: [linux] Thinking of giving away some Git courses/seminars to promote my classes

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Thu, 31 Oct 2019, Kevin Szabo wrote:

> Newbie here, so I don't know how the group votes on topics so please
> excuse if this is the wrong method.
>
> I would love a Git fundamentals talk.  I've use SCCS RCS CVS
> Subversion PLS Clearcase etc, but never had the foundations course
> on Git.  I think it would be useful for me to help make the mental
> map between the various version control systems

  just to explain the rationale behind my thinking, i was one of the
pre-publication reviewers for both editions of ORA's book "version
control with git" by jon loeliger, the second edition of which can be
found here (check the acknowledgements :-):

http://file.allitebooks.com/20160207/Version%20Control%20with%20Git,%202nd%20Edition.pdf

  when i started to review the first edition lo those many years ago,
the current chapter 4 was not there, the book went straight to what is
now chapter 5. i told the author that i think, at that point in the
book, he *really* needed to explain the underlying architecture
(particularly the object store); otherwise, readers would not
understand the underlying effect of subsequent commands.

  i was fairly pushy about that, and even gave jon a detailed outline
of what i thought the chapter should look like. he went away for a
couple of months, and came back with something fairly close to the
chapter 4 that's in there now, and that chapter is what i cover during
the morning of my 1-day intro git class. my position is that if you
don't understand git objects and their relation, you will never truly
understand git.

  and that's all i have to say about that.

rday

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Re: [linux] How are the oc-linux meetings announced, or is there a master schedule?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019, Kevin Szabo wrote:

> Hi, newbie here,
>
> I've looked through the wiki for an announcement of the November
> meeting or a master schedule but have come up empty.  I'd like to
> start attending some of the meetings.

  i've whined about this a couple of times ... even at the moment,
there is no information about the upcoming meeting at the web page.

rday

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Re: [linux] Thinking of giving away some Git courses/seminars to promote my classes

[Kevin Szabo]

Newbie here, so I don't know how the group votes on topics so please excuse
if this is the wrong method.

I would love a Git fundamentals talk.  I've use SCCS RCS CVS Subversion PLS
Clearcase etc, but never had the foundations course on Git.  I think it
would be useful for me to help make the mental map between the various
version control systems

- Kevin

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:29 AM Robert P. J. Day 
wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Oct 2019, J C Nash wrote:
>
> > Indeed, I'm mainly interested in pragmatic use. As indicated "cheat
> > notes"...
>
>   ironically, when i teach my full intro git class, the very, very
> first thing i explain is that, while lots of people just want a git
> "cheat sheet", that doesn't really help you unless you understand the
> underlying architecture.
>
>   i'm not joking ... i always start off with something like, "i
> realize a lot of you just want a cheat sheet, you know, give me the 10
> or 20 git commands i need to be productive, and i'm outta here." and i
> immediately explain, "it doesn't work that way; unless you truly
> understand something called the 'object database' and what git objects
> are and how they work together, you have no chance of truly knowing
> how to use git."
>
>   so after basic git configuration and cloning a repository, i explain
> very carefully about git objects (blob, tree, commit, tag), and how
> they are used to represent git history, at which point there is always
> a revelation on the part of the class, "oh, wow, now i get it." and
> without that understanding of the underlying architecture, you're
> never going to feel comfortable with git as you're never going to be
> sure what it's really *doing*.
>
>   anyway, just my $0.02. that's what i was offering to present, if
> there's time and folks are interested.
>
> rday
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