Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet

2021-06-05 Thread Rob Echlin
As I understand it,
- A note in the About linking to original sources is enough, if there are no 
changes.
- Drivers can be proprietary.
- Apps can be proprietary.

Does that cover all the cases that would have to be present, as opposed to 
corner cases that might not be in play?
Not sure I got all of that right.

And I would review the licenses and legal commentaries before developing 
devices.

Rob

Jun. 4, 2021 21:09:29 James :

> Any changes to any GPL software have to be provided in source?
> 
> Jun. 4, 2021 16:53:05 Michael P. Soulier :
> 
>> On 2021-06-04 2:52 p.m., James wrote:
>>> Doesn't their source have to be disclosed if it's added to linux?
>> 
>> Common misconception. You'd have to answer a lot of questions first, like 
>> what you mean by "adding to".
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet

2021-06-05 Thread Rob Echlin
Dianne,
Thanks for clarifying.
I did not expect ARM devices as a set to need code changes to boot.

Google found what looks like their GitHub.

https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable

Rob

Jun. 5, 2021 10:05:30 Dianne Skoll :

> On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 13:49:13 + (UTC)
> Rob Echlin  wrote:
> 
>> - A note in the About linking to original sources is enough, if there
>> are no changes.
> 
> That's true.  However, the number of custom ARM-based devices with
> no changes to the bootloader (which is probably U-boot) is likely zero.
> I suspect there may be kernel changes too.
> 
>> - Drivers can be proprietary.
>> - Apps can be proprietary.
> 
> Yup.  The Linux kernel allows proprietary modules as an exception to the
> GPL, as long as they don't link to EXPORT_GPL_ONLY symbols.
> 
> However, if you sell a device with GPL'd software on it, you are
> required to provide sources to any GPL'd software present on the
> device.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dianne.
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Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet

2021-06-05 Thread Brett Delmage

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021, Rob Echlin wrote:


Google found what looks like their GitHub.
https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable


A lot of light added here. Thanks for sharing!


Rob


Brett

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Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet

2021-06-05 Thread Dianne Skoll
On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 13:49:13 + (UTC)
Rob Echlin  wrote:

> - A note in the About linking to original sources is enough, if there
> are no changes.

That's true.  However, the number of custom ARM-based devices with
no changes to the bootloader (which is probably U-boot) is likely zero.
I suspect there may be kernel changes too.

> - Drivers can be proprietary.
> - Apps can be proprietary.

Yup.  The Linux kernel allows proprietary modules as an exception to the
GPL, as long as they don't link to EXPORT_GPL_ONLY symbols.

However, if you sell a device with GPL'd software on it, you are
required to provide sources to any GPL'd software present on the
device.

Regards,

Dianne.

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Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet

2021-06-05 Thread Dianne Skoll
On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 17:58:20 + (UTC)
Rob Echlin  wrote:

> Dianne,
> Thanks for clarifying.
> I did not expect ARM devices as a set to need code changes to boot.

Custom ARM devices almost always modify U-boot.

> Google found what looks like their GitHub.

> https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable

That's a third-party site that says:

"No project here is affiliated or endorsed by reMarkable AS."

If reMarkable AS is distributing GPL'd code, even if it made no
changes to it, it is required to make the source of the GPL'd code
available (or at least offer to make it available.)  I see nothing on
its web site that makes that clear.

Regards,

Dianne.

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