Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian
I received a number of messages. I don't always read them all. I noticed gmail was showing a little red icon that when I hovered over it, was saying that the email messages sent to the list were NOT encrypted... is that normal/ok? Michael G On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 5:47 PM Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > Thank you Ian/Tug/James and John :) > > -Katie > > -- > *From:* James > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:45:56 PM > *To:* Katherine Mcmillan ; Dianne Skoll < > dia...@skoll.ca>; linux@linux-ottawa.org > *Subject:* Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > Received. > > On 2023-01-24 09:44, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > > I’ve received/seen the emails from Dianne, James and Tug this morning, > > and also the one from Ian yesterday. Can someone please confirm that > > they received/read mine? > > > > I too cannot locate the OCLUG’s privacy policy. > > > > Sincerely, > > Katie > > > > *From:* Dianne Skoll > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2023 8:35:36 AM > > *To:* linux@linux-ottawa.org > > *Subject:* Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > > > On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:50:46 -0500 > > Ian wrote: > > > > > Does anyone at OCLUG get my emails? > > > > Yep. And I recevied an SPF "pass", not a fail: > > > > Received-SPF: pass (dianne.skoll.ca: domain of > > linux+bounces-7194-dianne=skoll...@linux-ottawa.org > > designates 142.44.247.35 as permitted sender) > > receiver=dianne.skoll.ca; client-ip=142.44.247.35; > > envelope-from=; > > helo=mail.linux-ottawa.org; > > identity=mailfrom > > > > That's because the mailing list handles things correctly and rewrites the > > sender envelope address. > > > > The *forward* from to Tug's Gmail address > > does *not* appear to do this. To OCLUG admins... this is a serious > > problem > > and will break forwarding for a lot of people. You need to implement SRS > > for forwarded email, or (since Tug checks the local mailbox anyway) > > disable the forwarding to avoid annoying bounces. > > > > A hack you could use would be to make secret...@linux-ottawa.org be a > > mailing list with only one recipient, and then let the mailing list do > > the rewriting. Ordinary forwards like we used to use in the 1990s have > > been broken for a couple of decades now. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dianne. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to > linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > >
Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian
Thank you Ian/Tug/James and John :) -Katie From: James Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:45:56 PM To: Katherine Mcmillan ; Dianne Skoll ; linux@linux-ottawa.org Subject: Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian Attention : courriel externe | external email Received. On 2023-01-24 09:44, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > I’ve received/seen the emails from Dianne, James and Tug this morning, > and also the one from Ian yesterday. Can someone please confirm that > they received/read mine? > > I too cannot locate the OCLUG’s privacy policy. > > Sincerely, > Katie > > *From:* Dianne Skoll > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2023 8:35:36 AM > *To:* linux@linux-ottawa.org > *Subject:* Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:50:46 -0500 > Ian wrote: > > > Does anyone at OCLUG get my emails? > > Yep. And I recevied an SPF "pass", not a fail: > > Received-SPF: pass (dianne.skoll.ca: domain of > linux+bounces-7194-dianne=skoll...@linux-ottawa.org > designates 142.44.247.35 as permitted sender) > receiver=dianne.skoll.ca; client-ip=142.44.247.35; > envelope-from=; > helo=mail.linux-ottawa.org; > identity=mailfrom > > That's because the mailing list handles things correctly and rewrites the > sender envelope address. > > The *forward* from to Tug's Gmail address > does *not* appear to do this. To OCLUG admins... this is a serious > problem > and will break forwarding for a lot of people. You need to implement SRS > for forwarded email, or (since Tug checks the local mailbox anyway) > disable the forwarding to avoid annoying bounces. > > A hack you could use would be to make secret...@linux-ottawa.org be a > mailing list with only one recipient, and then let the mailing list do > the rewriting. Ordinary forwards like we used to use in the 1990s have > been broken for a couple of decades now. > > Regards, > > Dianne. > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian
Received. On 2023-01-24 09:44, Katherine Mcmillan wrote: I’ve received/seen the emails from Dianne, James and Tug this morning, and also the one from Ian yesterday. Can someone please confirm that they received/read mine? I too cannot locate the OCLUG’s privacy policy. Sincerely, Katie *From:* Dianne Skoll *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2023 8:35:36 AM *To:* linux@linux-ottawa.org *Subject:* Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian Attention : courriel externe | external email On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:50:46 -0500 Ian wrote: > Does anyone at OCLUG get my emails? Yep. And I recevied an SPF "pass", not a fail: Received-SPF: pass (dianne.skoll.ca: domain of linux+bounces-7194-dianne=skoll...@linux-ottawa.org designates 142.44.247.35 as permitted sender) receiver=dianne.skoll.ca; client-ip=142.44.247.35; envelope-from=; helo=mail.linux-ottawa.org; identity=mailfrom That's because the mailing list handles things correctly and rewrites the sender envelope address. The *forward* from to Tug's Gmail address does *not* appear to do this. To OCLUG admins... this is a serious problem and will break forwarding for a lot of people. You need to implement SRS for forwarded email, or (since Tug checks the local mailbox anyway) disable the forwarding to avoid annoying bounces. A hack you could use would be to make secret...@linux-ottawa.org be a mailing list with only one recipient, and then let the mailing list do the rewriting. Ordinary forwards like we used to use in the 1990s have been broken for a couple of decades now. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Housekeeping (privacy policy)
As this was also cced to the public list, I will address it publicly. On 23/01/2023 19:33, Ian wrote: P.S. I too could not find the privacy policy or the (reasonable) requirement to provide legal names for the purpose of being added to the voting list in the online bylaws. And I have seen no reply email addressing the missing privacy policy. It wouldn't need to be fancy, but it sounds like a good idea to have one. https://wiki.linux-ottawa.org/doku.php?id=bylaws (and yes, I noticed that the certificate expired today) Regarding the privacy policy. There was only one expression of interest relating to the privacy policy, from an ex board member who knows the policy as well as I do. I assumed everyone else was comfortable. If someone wants to propose a formal privacy policy, then please do. Tug On 2022-12-19 11:21, Brett Delmage wrote: On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, Secretary wrote: please reply to this email (sent from secret...@linux-ottawa.org) stating your legal name, so we can fulfil this corporate obligation. What is OCLUG's privacy policy? I do not see it online anywhere. OCLUG board To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian
I’ve received/seen the emails from Dianne, James and Tug this morning, and also the one from Ian yesterday. Can someone please confirm that they received/read mine? I too cannot locate the OCLUG’s privacy policy. Sincerely, Katie From: Dianne Skoll Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 8:35:36 AM To: linux@linux-ottawa.org Subject: Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian Attention : courriel externe | external email On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:50:46 -0500 Ian wrote: > Does anyone at OCLUG get my emails? Yep. And I recevied an SPF "pass", not a fail: Received-SPF: pass (dianne.skoll.ca: domain of linux+bounces-7194-dianne=skoll...@linux-ottawa.org designates 142.44.247.35 as permitted sender) receiver=dianne.skoll.ca; client-ip=142.44.247.35; envelope-from=; helo=mail.linux-ottawa.org; identity=mailfrom That's because the mailing list handles things correctly and rewrites the sender envelope address. The *forward* from to Tug's Gmail address does *not* appear to do this. To OCLUG admins... this is a serious problem and will break forwarding for a lot of people. You need to implement SRS for forwarded email, or (since Tug checks the local mailbox anyway) disable the forwarding to avoid annoying bounces. A hack you could use would be to make secret...@linux-ottawa.org be a mailing list with only one recipient, and then let the mailing list do the rewriting. Ordinary forwards like we used to use in the 1990s have been broken for a couple of decades now. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian
On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 19:50:46 -0500 Ian wrote: > Does anyone at OCLUG get my emails? Yep. And I recevied an SPF "pass", not a fail: Received-SPF: pass (dianne.skoll.ca: domain of linux+bounces-7194-dianne=skoll...@linux-ottawa.org designates 142.44.247.35 as permitted sender) receiver=dianne.skoll.ca; client-ip=142.44.247.35; envelope-from=; helo=mail.linux-ottawa.org; identity=mailfrom That's because the mailing list handles things correctly and rewrites the sender envelope address. The *forward* from to Tug's Gmail address does *not* appear to do this. To OCLUG admins... this is a serious problem and will break forwarding for a lot of people. You need to implement SRS for forwarded email, or (since Tug checks the local mailbox anyway) disable the forwarding to avoid annoying bounces. A hack you could use would be to make secret...@linux-ottawa.org be a mailing list with only one recipient, and then let the mailing list do the rewriting. Ordinary forwards like we used to use in the 1990s have been broken for a couple of decades now. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian
Maybe the forward can be a BCC? Jan. 24, 2023 07:56:58 Tug Williams : > Ian, > > The secretary account gets forwarded to both John and me, but it also sits in > the secretary account on the server. I have noticed that a few messages that > arrive in the secretary account don't make it on to my gmail account. The > vast majority do arrive. That said, I process them from the secretary account > on the server anyway, so this is not causing a material problem, beyond the > annoyance and anxiety it creates. > > It is also surprising (to me, who is not an email expert) that the alias is > leaking the forward addresses... > > Your email was received by the secretary account, and you have been added to > the list. > > Tug > > On 23/01/2023 19:50, Ian wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Does anyone at OCLUG get my emails? Or is it just Tug that has a gmail >> account and is the only one not to get them (which would be bad because he's >> the secretary and he's the one I sent my legal name to.) >> >> What did my ISP (teksavvy.com) ever do to Google?? Or maybe it was one bad >> actor signed up with teksavvy that spoiled it for the rest of us. >> >> Cheers, Ian M. >> >> = >> >> This is the mail system at host mail.linux-ottawa.org. >> >> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not >> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. >> >> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. >> >> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can >> delete your own text from the attached returned message. >> >> The mail system >> >> (expanded from): host >> gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.149.26] said: 550-5.7.26 The MAIL FROM >> domain [teksavvy.com] has an SPF record with a hard 550-5.7.26 fail >> policy >> (-all) but it fails to pass SPF checks with the ip: 550-5.7.26 >> [142.44.247.35]. To best protect our users from spam and phishing, >> 550-5.7.26 the message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.26 >> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 550 >> 5.7.26 information. l184-20020a4a7bc100b0050d96627f7fsi554664ooc.5 - >> gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command) >> >> = >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org >> > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] SPF hard pass for Ian
Ian, The secretary account gets forwarded to both John and me, but it also sits in the secretary account on the server. I have noticed that a few messages that arrive in the secretary account don't make it on to my gmail account. The vast majority do arrive. That said, I process them from the secretary account on the server anyway, so this is not causing a material problem, beyond the annoyance and anxiety it creates. It is also surprising (to me, who is not an email expert) that the alias is leaking the forward addresses... Your email was received by the secretary account, and you have been added to the list. Tug On 23/01/2023 19:50, Ian wrote: Hi All, Does anyone at OCLUG get my emails? Or is it just Tug that has a gmail account and is the only one not to get them (which would be bad because he's the secretary and he's the one I sent my legal name to.) What did my ISP (teksavvy.com) ever do to Google?? Or maybe it was one bad actor signed up with teksavvy that spoiled it for the rest of us. Cheers, Ian M. = This is the mail system at host mail.linux-ottawa.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system (expanded from): host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.250.149.26] said: 550-5.7.26 The MAIL FROM domain [teksavvy.com] has an SPF record with a hard 550-5.7.26 fail policy (-all) but it fails to pass SPF checks with the ip: 550-5.7.26 [142.44.247.35]. To best protect our users from spam and phishing, 550-5.7.26 the message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.26 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 550 5.7.26 information. l184-20020a4a7bc100b0050d96627f7fsi554664ooc.5 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command) = To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
