Re: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

2006-09-12 Thread John Summerfield

Dominic Coulombe wrote:

If you don't want to install a Linux box, you can consider "Live"
distribution, like knoppix or Ubuntu.

Just boot from the CD and enjoy.



can be tricky with one CD/DVD drive, tho some of the smaller ones load
into RAM.

At a pinch, you can even use ipcop, a Linux firewall package available
for download: I used it once to copy a system.




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Re: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

2006-09-12 Thread John Summerfield

Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote:

Thanks for the info.  I'd heard about UDF and thought it applied to all
DVDs.


I sometimes use "-udf" as an argument to mkisofs; it's still a data dvd
like any other.

You can also copy the contents, using smbclient on your Linux system to
copy from Windows, and if you have scp (or similar) on Windows, then use
it to copy from Windows to Linux.


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Re: collaborative memory management on Linux weekly news

2006-09-12 Thread Bill Bitner
When the VM support is released there will be additional
monitor counters; and we do plan on publishing additional
results (in addition to what was published on the referenced
article and at various conferences).
Part of the benefit is not just saved memory, but more
efficient management of that memory.

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Re: FCP over ECKD performance advantage - why?

2006-09-12 Thread Bill Bitner
It depends. From a response time perspective, the bulk of the
difference is dependent on the hardware. FICON/FCP to DS8000
both will likely give similar response time. Processor time,
particularly in a virtualized environment will vary significantly.
See http://www.vm.ibm.com/perf/reports/zvm/html/520lxd.html

In general on system z, FCP has three areas of potential
advantage:
1. avoids overhead of converting from block to eckd and
   back to block oriented in the CU.
2. more I/Os can be executed in parallel (though PAV is
   a method for ECKD to minimize this advantage)
3. more data can be moved in a single I/O command

Workloads are impacted differently by the above. There
are also a number of non-performance related
differences.

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gcc 3.4.6 converting sprintf to strcpy calls causing kernel linkedit failure

2006-09-12 Thread Post, Mark K
I'm _almost_ ready to get a good compile of Linux kernel 2.4.33.3 with
all the developerWorks patches integrated.  The last problem is
unresolved references to strcpy in the lcs.c and qeth.c modules.  I've
isolated the problem to a single sprintf command in each of them (out of
_many_ that seem fine).  The following patches seems to fix it.  It
certainly compiles, but I am not sure it is the correct way to go about
it.

--- lcs.c.orig  2006-09-12 15:31:50.0 -0400
+++ lcs.c   2006-09-12 16:07:27.0 -0400
@@ -1953,7 +1953,7 @@
struct lcs_card *card;

LCS_DBF_TEXT(2, trace, "opendev");
-   LCS_DBF_TEXT_(3,trace,"%s",dev->name);
+   LCS_DBF_TEXT_(3,trace,dev->name);
card = (struct lcs_card *) dev->priv;
LCS_DBF_HEX(2, trace, &card, sizeof(void*));
/* initialize statistics */


--- qeth.c.orig 2006-09-12 15:31:50.0 -0400
+++ qeth.c  2006-09-12 19:00:27.0 -0400
@@ -9037,7 +9037,7 @@
QETH_DBF_TEXT2(0,setup,dbf_text);

if (card->portname_required) {
-   sprintf(dbf_text,"%s",card->options.portname+1);
+   sprintf(dbf_text,card->options.portname+1);
for (i=0;i<8;i++)
 
dbf_text[i]=(char)_ebcasc[(__u8)dbf_text[i]];
dbf_text[8]=0;


If someone could confirm or correct these, I would appreciate it.


Thanks in advance,

Mark Post

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Using "update" instead of "install" - has anyone been successful going from SLES9 to SLES10?

2006-09-12 Thread Wiggins, Mark
Before I start posting all of the error messages and problems that I've
had with trying to "update" a SLES9 image to a SLES10 image, I thought
I'd first ask and see if anyone has had success with this yet? I have
successfully installed SLES10 from scratch, but haven't been able to
"update" an image yet. I continually get errors when it tries to install
the boot loader and installing zipl... 
 
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Re: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

2006-09-12 Thread Dominic Coulombe

If you don't want to install a Linux box, you can consider "Live"
distribution, like knoppix or Ubuntu.

Just boot from the CD and enjoy.


On 9/12/06, Hall, Ken (GTI) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


DVD's should be able to convert to ISO files.  I've gotten DVD ISO images
of Fedora that mount just like CD ISOs, and burn onto DVD-Rs.

You still might need a Linux-x86 box somewhere in there though, to avoid
case-mangling issues with Windows.

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>
>
> Have Oracle on a DVD and want to install it on z/VM SLES 9 guest; of
> course the mainframe doesn't have a DVD drive.
>
> How do you folks install DVD software on the mainframe?
>
> I don't have a unix/linux server with a DVD drive to NFS share to the
> guest. Have only windoz PC's with DVD drives and sftp and scp client
> software.
>
> For a CD I'd convert it to an iso file, sftp it to the guest and
> loopback mount it, but DVD's don't convert to iso files,
> right?  (Maybe
> Oracle has the software on CD's instead of DVD?)
>
> Perhaps zip the DVD, sftp it to guest and gunzip it?
>
> tia
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Re: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

2006-09-12 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
Thanks for the info.  I'd heard about UDF and thought it applied to all
DVDs.




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Subject: Re: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

On Sep 12, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote:
> For a CD I'd convert it to an iso file, sftp it to the guest and
> loopback mount it, but DVD's don't convert to iso files, right?

Sure they do.

Data DVDs are usually Rock Ridge + Joliet ISO-9660 filesystems.  Just
like a CD only bigger.

It's video DVDs that are UDF.

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Re: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

2006-09-12 Thread Hall, Ken (GTI)
DVD's should be able to convert to ISO files.  I've gotten DVD ISO images of 
Fedora that mount just like CD ISOs, and burn onto DVD-Rs.

You still might need a Linux-x86 box somewhere in there though, to avoid 
case-mangling issues with Windows.

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> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:13 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: [LINUX-390] Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?
> 
> 
> Have Oracle on a DVD and want to install it on z/VM SLES 9 guest; of
> course the mainframe doesn't have a DVD drive. 
> 
> How do you folks install DVD software on the mainframe? 
> 
> I don't have a unix/linux server with a DVD drive to NFS share to the
> guest. Have only windoz PC's with DVD drives and sftp and scp client
> software.
> 
> For a CD I'd convert it to an iso file, sftp it to the guest and
> loopback mount it, but DVD's don't convert to iso files, 
> right?  (Maybe
> Oracle has the software on CD's instead of DVD?)
> 
> Perhaps zip the DVD, sftp it to guest and gunzip it?
> 
> tia
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Re: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

2006-09-12 Thread Adam Thornton

On Sep 12, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote:

For a CD I'd convert it to an iso file, sftp it to the guest and
loopback mount it, but DVD's don't convert to iso files, right?


Sure they do.

Data DVDs are usually Rock Ridge + Joliet ISO-9660 filesystems.  Just
like a CD only bigger.

It's video DVDs that are UDF.

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Re: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

2006-09-12 Thread McKown, John
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Romanowski, John (OFT)
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:13 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?
> 
> 
> Have Oracle on a DVD and want to install it on z/VM SLES 9 guest; of
> course the mainframe doesn't have a DVD drive. 
> 
> How do you folks install DVD software on the mainframe? 
> 
> I don't have a unix/linux server with a DVD drive to NFS share to the
> guest. Have only windoz PC's with DVD drives and sftp and scp client
> software.
> 
> For a CD I'd convert it to an iso file, sftp it to the guest and
> loopback mount it, but DVD's don't convert to iso files, 
> right?  (Maybe
> Oracle has the software on CD's instead of DVD?)
> 
> Perhaps zip the DVD, sftp it to guest and gunzip it?
> 
> tia

Data DVD's are created from ISO9660 files, just like CDs. At least in my
experience. On my home Linux system, I can do:

dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso
mount -oro,loop dvd.iso dvd-mount

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Methods to move DVD software to zLinux?

2006-09-12 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
Have Oracle on a DVD and want to install it on z/VM SLES 9 guest; of
course the mainframe doesn't have a DVD drive. 

How do you folks install DVD software on the mainframe? 

I don't have a unix/linux server with a DVD drive to NFS share to the
guest. Have only windoz PC's with DVD drives and sftp and scp client
software.

For a CD I'd convert it to an iso file, sftp it to the guest and
loopback mount it, but DVD's don't convert to iso files, right?  (Maybe
Oracle has the software on CD's instead of DVD?)

Perhaps zip the DVD, sftp it to guest and gunzip it?

tia

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Re: FCP over ECKD performance advantage - why?

2006-09-12 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
For published benchmarks see "Linux Disk I/O Alternatives"
http://www.vm.ibm.com/perf/reports/zvm/html/520lxd.html




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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:00 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: FCP over ECKD performance advantage - why?

Since we are currently trying to get multipathing working with FCP and
SLES9 (SLES8 was easier but different) it does make us well aware of how
we take it for granted when we use good old easy ECKD (not that ours is
very old- ECKD is still always improving). I would add to the list of
ECKD benefits- simpler admin and simpler,more automated DR.
On the other hand, SAN/FCP dasd is bought in bulk and has cheaper
chargeback. ECKD is viewed as expensive. 
 
We've seemed to come up with arbitrary standards - like if you need more
than 25GIG- you get SAN, or keep software product filesystems on ECKD
for easy cloning, etc. Basically the ECKD dasd we have is much more
limited (and more expensive) and SAN seems unlimited. So for all larger
dasd requests you end up giving the customer SAN lun's. Then you get the
questions 'Since the dasd is the same as a SUN Solaris server the I/O
performance must be the same, right?' Or 'How does linux on the
mainframe I/O performance compare to linux on intel? It's the same dasd.
Must be the same, right?' 

Are there published benchmarks for (1) mainframe linux ECKD vs. FCP or
(2) mainframe linux FCP vs. intel linux FCP? 
What are the sources you refer to? 
 

 


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Pieter Harder
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:55 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: FCP over ECKD performance advantage - why?

Hello list,

there are a number of sources that indicate that FCP attached DASD
performs better than classic ECKD DASD.
My own numbers seem to confirm this. But I am wondering what exactly is
the advantage that FCP has over ECKD?
I can't be the physical storage box, that is the same for most people,
something like a DS8000/DS6000 or a Symmetrix.
I can also hardly believe it is the software layer within the storage
box, as both FCP and ECKD are emulated/simulated on top of a native
storage structure.
It could be that the software/hardware interface provided by QDIO is so
much better than the old Start-I/O model.

But is it? Is it not just a matter of FCP not spending the cycles to
provide stuff that ECKD users take for granted, like:
- multipathing
- performance instrumentation
- device isolation for security reasons
- error handling
- and more
Is it possible that when all the above is added to FCP there is no
performance advantage at all?
I am sure there are knowledgeable people on the list who have something
to comment on this.
Thanks for any insights.

Best regards,
Pieter Harder

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Re: FCP over ECKD performance advantage - why?

2006-09-12 Thread Smith, Ann (ISD, IT)
Since we are currently trying to get multipathing working with FCP and
SLES9 (SLES8 was easier but different) it does make us well aware of how
we take it for granted when we use good old easy ECKD (not that ours is
very old- ECKD is still always improving). I would add to the list of
ECKD benefits- simpler admin and simpler,more automated DR.
On the other hand, SAN/FCP dasd is bought in bulk and has cheaper
chargeback. ECKD is viewed as expensive. 
 
We've seemed to come up with arbitrary standards - like if you need more
than 25GIG- you get SAN, or keep software product filesystems on ECKD
for easy cloning, etc. Basically the ECKD dasd we have is much more
limited (and more expensive) and SAN seems unlimited. So for all larger
dasd requests you end up giving the customer SAN lun's. Then you get the
questions 'Since the dasd is the same as a SUN Solaris server the I/O
performance must be the same, right?' Or 'How does linux on the
mainframe I/O performance compare to linux on intel? It's the same dasd.
Must be the same, right?' 

Are there published benchmarks for (1) mainframe linux ECKD vs. FCP or
(2) mainframe linux FCP vs. intel linux FCP? 
What are the sources you refer to? 
 

 


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Pieter Harder
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 1:55 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: FCP over ECKD performance advantage - why?

Hello list,

there are a number of sources that indicate that FCP attached DASD
performs better than classic ECKD DASD.
My own numbers seem to confirm this. But I am wondering what exactly is
the advantage that FCP has over ECKD?
I can't be the physical storage box, that is the same for most people,
something like a DS8000/DS6000 or a Symmetrix.
I can also hardly believe it is the software layer within the storage
box, as both FCP and ECKD are emulated/simulated on top of a native
storage structure.
It could be that the software/hardware interface provided by QDIO is so
much better than the old Start-I/O model.

But is it? Is it not just a matter of FCP not spending the cycles to
provide stuff that ECKD users take for granted, like:
- multipathing
- performance instrumentation
- device isolation for security reasons
- error handling
- and more
Is it possible that when all the above is added to FCP there is no
performance advantage at all?
I am sure there are knowledgeable people on the list who have something
to comment on this.
Thanks for any insights.

Best regards,
Pieter Harder

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One More Presentation

2006-09-12 Thread Post, Mark K
David Kreuter has also contributed his "Using z/VM VSWITCH" to the web
site.

http://linuxvm.org/Present/#share107



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Re: Install WAS Network Deployer 5.1 on SLES9 64-bit

2006-09-12 Thread Edmund R. MacKenty
On Monday 11 September 2006 12:26, Judson West wrote:
>I am trying to install WebSphere AS ND 5.1 on a SLES9 (SP3) 64-bit server.
>I have the following libraries installed:
>
>IBMJava2-SDK-1.4.2-0.60
>IBMJava2-JRE-1.4.2-0.60
>compat-2004.7.1-1.2
>compat-32bit-9-200407011411
>
>
>During the install, I receive the following message:
>InstallShield Wizard
>   Initializing InstallShield Wizard...
>   Searching for Java(tm) Virtual Machine...
>   ...A suitable JVM could not be found. Please run the program
>again using the option -is:javahome 
>
>It then exits.
>
>I was wondering if it is looking for a Java release that I don't have
>installed? If I do need another Java release, can I install it in addition
>to the release that is already there?
>
>I have successfully installed WAS ND 6.0.2 on this same configuration
>without incident.

I ran into a similar problem when installing WAS 5.1 on an x86 box a while ago
also, but I cannot remember just how I fixed it.  Hopefully, the bits I can
remember will help you proceed.

WebSphere ships with a JRE in the installation package, so it should always be
able to find a "suitable JVM".  However, the JRE shipped with WebSphere 5.1
on x86 did not work properly.The installer would just hang.  Yours exits,
but the cause might be the same: the JRE is not working.

I used the -is:log option of InstallShield, and found that it was trying to
get the version string from the JRE shipped with WAS.  I copied that JRE out
of InstallShield's temporary directory and ran strace on it to find out that
it was catching a SIGSEGV somewhere, and its recovery of that looped to cause
the SIGSEGV again, thus the hang.

What I just can't remember is how I fixed that, but perhaps the above
debugging path will get you started.  Try to capture the JRE that
InstallShield is trying to use and run it with the -version option.  You
should get something like this:

java version "1.4.2"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2)
Classic VM (build 1.4.2, J2RE 1.4.2 IBM build cx3901420-20040626 (JIT enabled:
jitc))

which is the Java version used by WAS 5.1 on both the s390 and x86 platforms.
That is what InstallShield should be looking for.  The -is:log output should
say that.  If the JRE from InstallShield cannot even report the version
string (as mine could not), that's when you need to resort to strace to find
out what is broken.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but I didn't take notes on how I fixed this
problem and my memory leaks. :-)  If the above gets you a bit further and you
post more info, perhaps it will jog my memory.
- MacK.
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Software Architect
Rocket Software, Inc.
Newton, MA USA

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Re: Fw: Kernel Compilation Failure with gcc 3.4.6

2006-09-12 Thread Andreas Krebbel1
Hi Mark,

as Heiko already mentioned the gcc error message is caused by a bogus
always_inline attribute. Declaring a function as always_inline in the
prototype and not giving gcc the function body at compile time is simply
wrong. However I must say that the gcc message of "sorry, unimplemented"
isn't very helpful here - to my mind a simple error would be the better
choice. This topic has been discussed on the gcc mailing list in 2004 (see
http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2004-01/msg01032.html).
They agreed to emit this "sorry" message since the code is syntactically
correct. You get the very same message with gcc 4.1 and 4.2.

> dasd_int.h:493: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to
> 'dasd_chanq_deq': function body not available
> dasd_3990_erp.c:2999: sorry, unimplemented: called from here

But it looks like a problem to me that gcc isn't very consistent when to
issue that message. You get the message for the following example:

__attribute__ ((always_inline)) void foo ();
static __inline__ __attribute__ ((always_inline)) void bar ()
{
}

a ()
{
  foo ();
  bar ();
}

But not for:

__attribute__ ((always_inline)) void foo ();

a ()
{
  foo ();
}

The code path in gcc which issues the message is not entered when there is
no function which could successfully be inlined. I will discuss this on the
gcc mailing list.

Mit  freundlichem Gruß / Kind regards,
Andreas Krebbel

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Martin,

hatten wir sowas auch mal gesehen?

Andreas,

kannst Du da mal reinschauen ...

Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best Regards

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I'm trying to compile the 2.4.33.2 kernel with gcc 3.4.6, and I'm
getting a compilation error (shown below).  The same code compiles with
gcc 3.3.4, so I went looking for a gcc bug.  I think 

Re: swap partition increase

2006-09-12 Thread Carsten Otte

LJ Mace wrote:

I know the next statement isn't a permanent fix but  I
need to know if(and how) I can increase  my swap
space.

You can prepare another dasd with dasdfmt and fdasd, then use mkswap
to create a swap space on a partition you created, and activate it
using swapon. All commands have man-pages that explain their proper usage.
If you want to use the swap space on the next startup, add the disk to
/etc/fstab just like the swap partition you do already use (see "man
fstab").

cheers,
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swap partition increase

2006-09-12 Thread LJ Mace
I'm running linux sles9 sp3 on z/vm 5.1 . The person
who genned the linux guests partitioned a 3390 as
 /dev/dasdb1   „   swap   „   „ 1020.0 MB„ 
 /dev/dasdb2„   /tmp   „   „    1.2 GB„ .

This next line is a my humble opinion. There is some
kind of memory leak in the java code written for the
apps on these guest. Why you ask? When the guests are
started we have ~190 tasks running with 0k swap space
used. Now as things get started I would expect some
swap space to be used. But as the week wears on the
number of tasks creep up (~260-280) and the swap space
decreases and never releases.  The tasks are not
zombies but show 'sleeping'.   
I know the next statement isn't a permanent fix but  I
need to know if(and how) I can increase  my swap
space. 
Or do I have an option "B" and what that option is and
how to impliment that option.
again I know the best thing to do is fix the code but
that won't happen. 
thanks
Mace



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