Anybody know if VSWITCHes support 'spanning tree' , or need to do it ?

2012-05-15 Thread Agblad Tore
We have that question from our network people, because we will need
to connect to a separate physical LAN for one customer, and we want the 
migration
as seamless as possible.
So we will have duplicates of connections, of which both are redundant as well.
This will obviously expose us for the risk of network routing loops, and this is
prohibited with 'spanning tree' functionality, normally supported by switches 
or routers.

Any know if a z/VM vswitch support this or if it is perhaps not needed ?

Anyone having experinces of this ?

We run z/VM 6.1 and SLES11.1 and RHEL6

BR /Tore

 
Tore Agblad 
System programmer, Volvo IT certified IT Architect
Volvo Information Technology 
Infrastructure Mainframe Design  Development, Linux servers 
Dept 4253  DA1S 
SE-405 08, Gothenburg  Sweden 
Telephone: +46-31-3233569 
E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com 
http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ 


-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan 
Altmark
Sent: den 10 maj 2012 16:03
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: SLES 11 SP1 msg: kernel: scsi: host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun2 has a 
LUN larger than allowed by the host adapter

On Wednesday, 05/09/2012 at 09:39 EDT, Raymond
Higgs/Poughkeepsie/IBM@IBMUS wrote:

  11:12:11 scsi: host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun2 has a LUN larger than
  allowed by the host adapter

 There shouldn't be any limitations until 2 TB.  I don't think linux is
 complaining about the size of the lun.  I think linux is complaining
about
 the lun number.  It is saying that it will only configure luns 0x
and
 0x0001.

Nominally, that response means that the LUN number of one of the LUNs
returned on REPORT LUNS is larger than the value supported by the adapter,
which zfcp_scsi_adapter_register() sets to 0x.  Those are
(supposed to be) unsigned ints, so the implication is, as you suggested,
that something changed this value via sysfs, assuming it is exported.

From drivers/scsi/scsi_scan.c:
1466 if (lun  sdev-host-max_lun) {
1467printk(KERN_WARNING scsi: %s lun%d has a LUN
larger
1468than allowed by the host adapter\n,
1469   devname, lun);

Alan Altmark

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IBM System Lab Services and Training
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LXFMT bug fix

2012-05-15 Thread Neale Ferguson
http://download.sinenomine.net/lxfmt contains an updated LXFMT VMARC. A bug
has been fixed that incorrectly decoded device addresses containing hex
digits.

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Re: Anybody know if VSWITCHes support 'spanning tree' , or need to do it ?

2012-05-15 Thread Alan Altmark
On Tuesday, 05/15/2012 at 05:36 EDT, Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com
wrote:
 We have that question from our network people, because we will need
 to connect to a separate physical LAN for one customer, and we want the
 migration
 as seamless as possible.
 So we will have duplicates of connections, of which both are redundant
as well.
 This will obviously expose us for the risk of network routing loops, and
this is
 prohibited with 'spanning tree' functionality, normally supported by
switches
 or routers.

 Any know if a z/VM vswitch support this or if it is perhaps not needed ?

The VSWITCH does not support Spanning Tree Protocol.  I have yet to hear
of anyone actually having a problem with broadcast storms on their zLinux
guests.  When a Linux guest broadcasts, that broadcast will go out on the
wire, but will not be reflected back on the same port (IEEE standard).

If it comes into another VSWITCH plugged into another port in the same
VLAN, then it will be to a different interface on the Linux guest.  Linux
will not forward a broadcast or multicast packet, as other interfaces on
the same subnet will have heard the bcast/mcast, and it is not permitted
to forward them to other subnets.  (Even subnet-directed broadcasts will
not be forwarded.)

When it comes to networking, Linux is pretty well-behaved.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
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Re: Anybody know if VSWITCHes support 'spanning tree' , or need to do it ?

2012-05-15 Thread David Boyes
  Any know if a z/VM vswitch support this or if it is perhaps not needed ?

It does not (it'd be nice, but it doesn't). 

It's probably not necessary, but you can (at least with the Cisco hardware) 
configure the spanning tree parameters so that the real network hardware always 
has the lowest cost and bridge ID unless it is unavailable. You want the root 
bridge ID to be out in the real switches, always. Google for the book Cisco 
LAN Switching (Clark/Hamilton, ISBN 1-57870-094-9)  online; chapters 6 and 7 
cover in detail the reason why this matters and how to tune parameters so that 
the external switches always win the root bridge election. 

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Re: LXFMT bug fix

2012-05-15 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
http://download.sinenomine.net/lxfmt contains an updated LXFMT VMARC. A bug
has been fixed that incorrectly decoded device addresses containing hex
digits.

The files in the new LXFMT22 VMARC have dates in 1907, 1908, and 1912.  Either 
we had some very forward-thinking programmers a hundred years ago, or there's 
an error.  Is this a VMARC bug or a packaging error when the files were created?


    Dennis O'Brien

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SLES11 - zfcp_disk_configure bug? (Could not deactivate SCSI disk)

2012-05-15 Thread Grzegorz Powiedziuk
Hi, I have small problem and tiny workaround for it. I am wondering if
anyone else had issues like this.

Sometimes (actually quite often), Yast complains when I try to deactivate a
scsi disk. (yast-hardware-zfcpdelete) with message Could not deactivate
SCSI disk).
Unfortunately it is being removed from from Yast LUNs list so at this point
there is not much I can do from Yast.
Yast would not allow me to recreate it because under the hood
(/sys/bus/ccw...) it wasn't completely removed.


I walked through Yast logs and than through /sbin/zfcp_disk_configure
script and I've narrowed the problem to those few lines of
/sbin/zfcp_disk_configure code :

(lines 134-219)

 if [ -d $_zfcp_scsi_host_dir ] ; then
# Deregister the disk from SCSI layer
for target in $_zfcp_scsi_host_dir/rport-*/target*/* ; do
if [ -d $target ] ; then
_zfcp_tmp_targid=${target##*/}
read _zfcp_tmp_hba  ${target}/hba_id
read _zfcp_tmp_wwpn  ${target}/wwpn
read _zfcp_tmp_lun  ${target}/fcp_lun
if [ 0x${FCP_LUN} = $_zfcp_tmp_lun -a 0x${FCP_WWPN} =
$_zfcp_tmp_wwpn ] ; then
   * echo 1  $target/delete*
_zfcp_scsi_dir=$target
break;
fi
fi
done
/sbin/udevadm settle
else
debug_mesg No SCSI disk found for FCP disk ${FCP_WWPN}:${FCP_LUN}
fi

# Re-check whether the SCSI disk is gone
  *  if [ -d ${_zfcp_scsi_dir} ]; then*
debug_mesg Could not deactivate SCSI disk ${_zfcp_scsi_id}
exit 7
fi

I made some tests and played with this code and it looks that sometimes
after it does *echo1  $target/delete* there isn't enough time before it
checks if it was really removed.
At this point , *[ -d ${zfcp_scsi_dir*] is true, so it exits with 7
and debug mesg.

I made a small workaround by changing a little bit second part of that code
like here:

 if [ -d ${_zfcp_scsi_dir} ]; then
  sleep 1
if [ -d ${_zfcp_scsi_dir} ]; then
debug_mesg Could not deactivate SCSI disk ${_zfcp_scsi_id}
exit 7
fi
fi

So basically if it fails (if directory still exists), it should sleep for 1
second and than try again.
It looks like this solved my problem. Perhaps it will help to others.


z/VM Version 5 Release 4.0, Service Level 1102 (64-bit)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 (s390x)
VERSION = 11
PATCHLEVEL = 2
Linux d2ora000 3.0.13-0.27-default #1 SMP Wed Feb 15 13:33:49 UTC 2012
(d73692b) s390x s390x s390x GNU/Linux


Regards
Grzegorz Powiedziuk

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Re: LXFMT bug fix

2012-05-15 Thread Neale Ferguson
Not using the VMARC MODULE I am:

LXFMTVMARCX1 F 80   111622 2012-05-15 09:45:58
LXFMTLOADMAP  X5 V100 89 3 2012-05-15 09:44:25
LXFMTMODULE   X1 V  18712  4 5 2012-05-15 09:44:25
LXFSETEXT X1 F 80121 3 2012-05-15 09:44:23
LXMSGTEXT X1 F 80 61 2 2012-05-15 09:44:20
LXFMTTEXT X1 F 80239 5 2012-05-15 09:44:19
LXASMEXEC X1 V 65 22 1 2012-05-15 09:42:45
LXFMTASSEMBLE X1 F 80   345668 2012-05-15 09:42:28
LXFSEASSEMBLE X1 F 8091718 2010-08-24 12:53:52
LXMSGASSEMBLE X1 F 80 78 2 2010-08-24 12:04:32
LXFMTREADME   X1 F 80 46 1 2008-01-02 06:37:33
LXFMTHELPCMS  X2 V 79148 2 2008-01-02 06:36:02
LXVMARC  EXEC X1 V 54 16 1 2007-12-10 12:35:28
LXFMT1   LXCONFIG X1 F 80  3 1 2007-12-10 10:35:02
LNXVMCNTRLX2 F 80  5 1 2007-12-02 16:49:14

On 5/15/12 1:17 PM, O'Brien, Dennis L dennis.l.o'br...@bankofamerica.com
wrote:

 The files in the new LXFMT22 VMARC have dates in 1907, 1908, and 1912.  Either
 we had some very forward-thinking programmers a hundred years ago, or there's
 an error.  Is this a VMARC bug or a packaging error when the files were
 created?

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Re: SLES11 - zfcp_disk_configure bug? (Could not deactivate SCSI disk)

2012-05-15 Thread Michael O'Reilly

Grzegorz,

 I have been working with Novell to fix these problems. Novell has resolved
the problems and is putting the final touches on a PTF s390-tools package
that contains a /sbin/zfcp_disk_configure script without these problems.
You can probably get an advance copy, before the maintenance release,
through your support process.

Mike O'Reilly
IBM Linux Change Team

   
   
   
   
   
   
   





   
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Hi, I have small problem and tiny workaround for it. I am wondering if
anyone else had issues like this.

Sometimes (actually quite often), Yast complains when I try to deactivate a
scsi disk. (yast-hardware-zfcpdelete) with message Could not deactivate
SCSI disk).
Unfortunately it is being removed from from Yast LUNs list so at this point
there is not much I can do from Yast.
Yast would not allow me to recreate it because under the hood
(/sys/bus/ccw...) it wasn't completely removed.


I walked through Yast logs and than through /sbin/zfcp_disk_configure
script and I've narrowed the problem to those few lines of
/sbin/zfcp_disk_configure code :

(lines 134-219)

 if [ -d $_zfcp_scsi_host_dir ] ; then
# Deregister the disk from SCSI layer
for target in $_zfcp_scsi_host_dir/rport-*/target*/* ; do
if [ -d $target ] ; then
_zfcp_tmp_targid=${target##*/}
read _zfcp_tmp_hba  ${target}/hba_id
read _zfcp_tmp_wwpn  ${target}/wwpn
read _zfcp_tmp_lun  ${target}/fcp_lun
if [ 0x${FCP_LUN} = $_zfcp_tmp_lun -a 0x${FCP_WWPN} =
$_zfcp_tmp_wwpn ] ; then
   * echo 1  $target/delete*
_zfcp_scsi_dir=$target
break;
fi
fi
done
/sbin/udevadm settle
else
debug_mesg No SCSI disk found for FCP disk ${FCP_WWPN}:${FCP_LUN}
fi

# Re-check whether the SCSI disk is gone
  *  if [ -d ${_zfcp_scsi_dir} ]; then*
debug_mesg Could not deactivate SCSI disk ${_zfcp_scsi_id}
exit 7
fi

I made some tests and played with this code and it looks that sometimes
after it does *echo1  $target/delete* there isn't enough time before it
checks if it was really removed.
At this point , *[ -d ${zfcp_scsi_dir*] is true, so it exits with 7
and debug mesg.

I made a small workaround by changing a little bit second part of that code
like here:

 if [ -d ${_zfcp_scsi_dir} ]; then
  sleep 1
if [ -d ${_zfcp_scsi_dir} ]; then
debug_mesg Could not deactivate SCSI disk $
{_zfcp_scsi_id}
exit 7
fi
fi

So basically if it fails (if directory still exists), it should sleep for 1
second and than try again.
It looks like this solved my problem. Perhaps it will help to others.


z/VM Version 5 Release 4.0, Service Level 1102 (64-bit)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 (s390x)
VERSION = 11
PATCHLEVEL = 2
Linux d2ora000 3.0.13-0.27-default #1 SMP Wed Feb 15 13:33:49 UTC 2012
(d73692b) s390x s390x s390x GNU/Linux



Re: LXFMT bug fix

2012-05-15 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
Interesting.  I downloaded the latest VMARC MODULE from IBM, which is a 
slightly different size than my previous version from 2001, and also tried 
setting my date format to FULL and ISO.  I tried this on both z/VM 5.4 and 6.2, 
and I still get dates in the 1900's.  Time for a PMR, I suppose.  Is VMARC 
officially supported?



    Dennis O'Brien

No man`s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in 
session.  -- Mark Twain


-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Neale 
Ferguson
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:35
To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu
Subject: Re: LXFMT bug fix

Not using the VMARC MODULE I am:

LXFMTVMARCX1 F 80   111622 2012-05-15 09:45:58
LXFMTLOADMAP  X5 V100 89 3 2012-05-15 09:44:25
LXFMTMODULE   X1 V  18712  4 5 2012-05-15 09:44:25
LXFSETEXT X1 F 80121 3 2012-05-15 09:44:23
LXMSGTEXT X1 F 80 61 2 2012-05-15 09:44:20
LXFMTTEXT X1 F 80239 5 2012-05-15 09:44:19
LXASMEXEC X1 V 65 22 1 2012-05-15 09:42:45
LXFMTASSEMBLE X1 F 80   345668 2012-05-15 09:42:28
LXFSEASSEMBLE X1 F 8091718 2010-08-24 12:53:52
LXMSGASSEMBLE X1 F 80 78 2 2010-08-24 12:04:32
LXFMTREADME   X1 F 80 46 1 2008-01-02 06:37:33
LXFMTHELPCMS  X2 V 79148 2 2008-01-02 06:36:02
LXVMARC  EXEC X1 V 54 16 1 2007-12-10 12:35:28
LXFMT1   LXCONFIG X1 F 80  3 1 2007-12-10 10:35:02
LNXVMCNTRLX2 F 80  5 1 2007-12-02 16:49:14

On 5/15/12 1:17 PM, O'Brien, Dennis L dennis.l.o'br...@bankofamerica.com
wrote:

 The files in the new LXFMT22 VMARC have dates in 1907, 1908, and 1912.  Either
 we had some very forward-thinking programmers a hundred years ago, or there's
 an error.  Is this a VMARC bug or a packaging error when the files were
 created?

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Re: LXFMT bug fix

2012-05-15 Thread Scott Rohling
If you execute VMARC with no args or ?  it should tell you the version
number ...

Mine is 1.2.29  --  and what I see is things are a century off:

LISTFILE LXFMT* * (ISODATE

FILENAME FILETYPE FM FORMAT LRECL   RECS BLOCKS DATE TIME
LXFMTASSEMBLE A1 F 80   3456 68  5/15/1912  9:42:28
LXFMTTEXT A1 F 80239  5  5/15/1912  9:44:19
LXFMTMODULE   A1 V  18712  4  5  5/15/1912  9:44:25
LXFMTREADME   A1 F 80 46  1  1/02/1908  6:37:33
LXFMTHELPCMS  A2 V 79148  2  1/02/1908  6:36:02
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 07:34:17

What VMARC version do you have, Neale?

Scott Rohling

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:08 PM, O'Brien, Dennis L 
dennis.l.o'br...@bankofamerica.com wrote:

 Interesting.  I downloaded the latest VMARC MODULE from IBM, which is a
 slightly different size than my previous version from 2001, and also tried
 setting my date format to FULL and ISO.  I tried this on both z/VM 5.4 and
 6.2, and I still get dates in the 1900's.  Time for a PMR, I suppose.  Is
 VMARC officially supported?



  Dennis
 O'Brien

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 session.  -- Mark Twain


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 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
 Neale Ferguson
 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:35
 To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu
 Subject: Re: LXFMT bug fix

 Not using the VMARC MODULE I am:

 LXFMTVMARCX1 F 80   111622 2012-05-15 09:45:58
 LXFMTLOADMAP  X5 V100 89 3 2012-05-15 09:44:25
 LXFMTMODULE   X1 V  18712  4 5 2012-05-15 09:44:25
 LXFSETEXT X1 F 80121 3 2012-05-15 09:44:23
 LXMSGTEXT X1 F 80 61 2 2012-05-15 09:44:20
 LXFMTTEXT X1 F 80239 5 2012-05-15 09:44:19
 LXASMEXEC X1 V 65 22 1 2012-05-15 09:42:45
 LXFMTASSEMBLE X1 F 80   345668 2012-05-15 09:42:28
 LXFSEASSEMBLE X1 F 8091718 2010-08-24 12:53:52
 LXMSGASSEMBLE X1 F 80 78 2 2010-08-24 12:04:32
 LXFMTREADME   X1 F 80 46 1 2008-01-02 06:37:33
 LXFMTHELPCMS  X2 V 79148 2 2008-01-02 06:36:02
 LXVMARC  EXEC X1 V 54 16 1 2007-12-10 12:35:28
 LXFMT1   LXCONFIG X1 F 80  3 1 2007-12-10 10:35:02
 LNXVMCNTRLX2 F 80  5 1 2007-12-02 16:49:14

 On 5/15/12 1:17 PM, O'Brien, Dennis L 
 dennis.l.o'br...@bankofamerica.com
 wrote:

  The files in the new LXFMT22 VMARC have dates in 1907, 1908, and 1912.
  Either
  we had some very forward-thinking programmers a hundred years ago, or
 there's
  an error.  Is this a VMARC bug or a packaging error when the files were
  created?

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Re: LXFMT bug fix

2012-05-15 Thread O'Brien, Dennis L
I'm glad to know it's not just me.  I see the problem on both 1.2.27 and 1.2.29.



    Dennis O'Brien

No man`s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in 
session.  -- Mark Twain


-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Scott 
Rohling
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:37
To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu
Subject: Re: LXFMT bug fix

If you execute VMARC with no args or ?  it should tell you the version
number ...

Mine is 1.2.29  --  and what I see is things are a century off:

LISTFILE LXFMT* * (ISODATE

FILENAME FILETYPE FM FORMAT LRECL   RECS BLOCKS DATE TIME
LXFMTASSEMBLE A1 F 80   3456 68  5/15/1912  9:42:28
LXFMTTEXT A1 F 80239  5  5/15/1912  9:44:19
LXFMTMODULE   A1 V  18712  4  5  5/15/1912  9:44:25
LXFMTREADME   A1 F 80 46  1  1/02/1908  6:37:33
LXFMTHELPCMS  A2 V 79148  2  1/02/1908  6:36:02
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 07:34:17

What VMARC version do you have, Neale?

Scott Rohling

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:08 PM, O'Brien, Dennis L 
dennis.l.o'br...@bankofamerica.com wrote:

 Interesting.  I downloaded the latest VMARC MODULE from IBM, which is a
 slightly different size than my previous version from 2001, and also tried
 setting my date format to FULL and ISO.  I tried this on both z/VM 5.4 and
 6.2, and I still get dates in the 1900's.  Time for a PMR, I suppose.  Is
 VMARC officially supported?



  Dennis
 O'Brien

 No man`s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in
 session.  -- Mark Twain


 -Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of
 Neale Ferguson
 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:35
 To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu
 Subject: Re: LXFMT bug fix

 Not using the VMARC MODULE I am:

 LXFMTVMARCX1 F 80   111622 2012-05-15 09:45:58
 LXFMTLOADMAP  X5 V100 89 3 2012-05-15 09:44:25
 LXFMTMODULE   X1 V  18712  4 5 2012-05-15 09:44:25
 LXFSETEXT X1 F 80121 3 2012-05-15 09:44:23
 LXMSGTEXT X1 F 80 61 2 2012-05-15 09:44:20
 LXFMTTEXT X1 F 80239 5 2012-05-15 09:44:19
 LXASMEXEC X1 V 65 22 1 2012-05-15 09:42:45
 LXFMTASSEMBLE X1 F 80   345668 2012-05-15 09:42:28
 LXFSEASSEMBLE X1 F 8091718 2010-08-24 12:53:52
 LXMSGASSEMBLE X1 F 80 78 2 2010-08-24 12:04:32
 LXFMTREADME   X1 F 80 46 1 2008-01-02 06:37:33
 LXFMTHELPCMS  X2 V 79148 2 2008-01-02 06:36:02
 LXVMARC  EXEC X1 V 54 16 1 2007-12-10 12:35:28
 LXFMT1   LXCONFIG X1 F 80  3 1 2007-12-10 10:35:02
 LNXVMCNTRLX2 F 80  5 1 2007-12-02 16:49:14

 On 5/15/12 1:17 PM, O'Brien, Dennis L 
 dennis.l.o'br...@bankofamerica.com
 wrote:

  The files in the new LXFMT22 VMARC have dates in 1907, 1908, and 1912.
  Either
  we had some very forward-thinking programmers a hundred years ago, or
 there's
  an error.  Is this a VMARC bug or a packaging error when the files were
  created?

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